Did Some 50 Yard Practice With Latest 10/22 Build

[AzShooter1]

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What a beautiful day to shoot, no wind, temps in the low 60s and hardly anyone at the range today for the first hour.

My friend and I set the target out to 50 yards. My first time shooting this distance so I figured anything could happen. I shot my Ruger 10/22 with the Clark 20 inch .920 barrel in a Stocky's Euro Stock. Got lots of compliments on how pretty the rifle is and some people thought these were descent groups. I think I still need some work.

Best group was with Norma TAC 22. The last group is a 10 round set and there is only one flyer, my fault.
Federal AutoMatch shows some promise but I think I need to play with the torque settings. Wolf Match Extra did very well. I need more work with my rear bag to get the elevation corrected.

Eley Force didn't do too well today. the 10 shot group isn't bad but I was expecting better. And as always CCI Blazer did quite well. For inexpensive practice ammo that's what I'll probably use most of the time.

My shooting buddy gave me a new cradle to try. It mounts the gun more secure that my front rest and bag so I'm hoping that by eliminating the human factor I can get some MOA groups.

 

[Caplock]

I had some auto match pre covid that shot very well for me. The next batch of probably 4,000 rounds shoots horrible.
Save yourself time and money...just get some CCI standard velocity and call it a day.

 

[Riomouse911]

Not bad at all . I wanted to hit the outdoor range Friday, but they closed it because the creek is too high to safely cross again.

I think I may do a 10/22 build and make a match gun out of it. My 1985-vintage standard carbine and International are fun, but not itsy-teeny-tiny group fun.

Oh, the TAC-22 group looks like one of my usual efforts; Woo hoo!, woo hoo!, woo hoo!, DOH!, woo hoo! Drives me nuts!

Stay safe.

 

[MarshallDodge]

There are some really nice looking groups mixed in there. What optic are you using? Does the parallax adjust down to 50 yards?

Shooting a semi auto can sure get interesting.

 

[.45Coltguy]

Not bad at all . I wanted to hit the outdoor range Friday, but they closed it because the creek is too high to safely cross again.

I think I may do a 10/22 build and make a match gun out of it. My 1985-vintage standard carbine and International are fun, but not itsy-teeny-tiny group fun.

Oh, the TAC-22 group looks like one of my usual efforts; Woo hoo!, woo hoo!, woo hoo!, DOH!, woo hoo! Drives me nuts!

Stay safe.

Rio, would that be West End past the creek?

 

[LiveLife]

Looking at your groups, I noticed POI/group center shifting left/right and up/down group to group (Unless you changed POA group to group). If your rifle is shooting consistent, center of POI/group should shift depending on ammunition but stay shifted group to group, with slower velocity ammunition grouping more lower of POA.

BTW, are you running Ruger stock bolt?

Take a look at first groups from 47 brands/weights/lots comparison with center of purple dots as POA (Thread protector came loose on the KSA bull barrel so I will be repeating the groups). Notice 10 shot group was split into two 5 shot groups and shifting of POI/group center is consistent for both groups. So for me, 10 shot group is composite of two 5 shot groups. If groups deviate left/right and/or up/down, both 5 shot groups are combined for 10 shot total group - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...nition-comparison.908102/page-2#post-12812234

 

[AzShooter1]

There are some really nice looking groups mixed in there. What optic are you using? Does the parallax adjust down to 50 yards?

Shooting a semi auto can sure get interesting.

It's an old Simmons 8x34 set at 34.
It does have AO and adjusts down to 10 yards if needed.

 

[AzShooter1]

Looking at your groups, I noticed POI/group center shifting left/right and up/down group to group (Unless you changed POA group to group). If your rifle is shooting consistent, center of POI/group should shift depending on ammunition but stay shifted group to group, with slower velocity ammunition grouping more lower of POA.

BTW, are you running Ruger stock bolt?

Take a look at first groups from 47 brands/weights/lots comparison with center of purple dots as POA (Thread protector came loose on the KSA bull barrel so I will be repeating the groups). Notice 10 shot group was split into two 5 shot groups and shifting of POI/group center is consistent for both groups. So for me, 10 shot group is composite of two 5 shot groups. If groups deviate left/right and/or up/down, both 5 shot groups are combined for 10 shot total group - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...nition-comparison.908102/page-2#post-12812234

Nice shooting. Yes, I was running the sight for a while seeing if I could hit center but eventually just gave up and shot the groups. It is a stock bolt. Barrel is a 20 inch Clark and trigger is set at 1pound 14 ounces. It has a Powers Custom trigger kit in it.

 

[Show Me]

Not bad at all . I wanted to hit the outdoor range Friday, but they closed it because the creek is too high to safely cross again.

I think I may do a 10/22 build and make a match gun out of it. My 1985-vintage standard carbine and International are fun, but not itsy-teeny-tiny group fun.

Oh, the TAC-22 group looks like one of my usual efforts; Woo hoo!, woo hoo!, woo hoo!, DOH!, woo hoo! Drives me nuts!

Stay safe.

my road can be full at times my targets vary from cups of coffee and day to day. Not important ,just saying. To me 10-22's is more fun to work with than AR's. Just saying.

 

[kidneyboy]

Nice shooting. I started using TAC 22 in my bullseye pistol last year and it has been a very good performer. Hadn't thought to try it in the rifles but I will now.

 

[Mk-211]

If Rio is talking about Lytle Creek, here in the SoCal mountains, it can go from this:



To this:



In a matter of minutes with very little rain. With the current rain that we've had here, it's probably flowing. CHP and Forestry service will close it down pretty fast.

More rain is headed to SoCal, so I don't expect them to open WEGC or Lytle Creek shooting range anytime soon.

 

[AzShooter1]

Yeah, it only takes a little rain for floods to happen here too. Hope you can get to the range soon.

Steven

 

[Riomouse911]

If Rio is talking about Lytle Creek, here in the SoCal mountains, it can go from this:

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To this:

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In a matter of minutes with very little rain. With the current rain that we've had here, it's probably flowing. CHP and Forestry service will close it down pretty fast.

More rain is headed to SoCal, so I don't expect them to open WEGC or Lytle Creek shooting range anytime soon.

Last spring was tough, lots of rain and snow runoff kept Lytle creek high until almost May.

View attachment 1194471my road can be full at timesView attachment 1194472View attachment 1194470 my targets vary from cups of coffee and day to day. Not important ,just saying. To me 10-22's is more fun to work with than AR's. Just saying.

No fun when the water is up, thats gor sure.

I hear you about the coffee. I wont have any caffeine for at least 2 to 3 hours before I shoot, I can really feel the difference (and see the results on paper).

I think a target specific 10/22 will be fun to put together. I’m in no hurry, so I can take my time. (Plus I can space out the purchases so it all wont be such a hit.)

Stay safe.

 

[Riomouse911]

Rio, would that be West End past the creek?

Yup. Near the bottom of the Lytle Creek canyon.

Stay safe.

 

[Mk-211]

Yup. Near the bottom of the Lytle Creek canyon.

Stay safe.

Drove over the 138 last week in a snow storm, at least an inch of snow on the road. Stayed behind a semi as it's tires were plowing the road.

CHP closed it the next night when it was snowing again. Had to drive back to the 14 to get to work, late.

At least Angeles Shooting Range is open.

 

[lightman]

Good shooting! A nice day at the range is hard to beat!

 

[Show Me]

Last spring was tough, lots of rain and snow runoff kept Lytle creek high until almost May.



No fun when the water is up, thats gor sure.

I hear you about the coffee. I wont have any caffeine for at least 2 to 3 hours before I shoot, I can really feel the difference (and see the results on paper).

I think a target specific 10/22 will be fun to put together. I’m in no hurry, so I can take my time. (Plus I can space out the purchases so it all wont be such a hit.)

Stay safe.

OK, try this. Work starts 1 hour away at 7am. Get off at 3:30. Get home at 4:45 because of city traffic. Let dogs loose, head In to basement to gather what ammo and rifle I want to test. Back up the stairs and out to the barn. Walk our to whatever distance , 20 to 125yds attach target board and target. Walk back and get set up. Now your facing west so the sun is seasonal.
Or Saturday morning . Calm results will vary. I don't care how perfect someone thinks they are. Wind. Wind direction, temp, weather determines results. Especially the , i can do it all day long people. My lane is a little bit low so wind direction isn't as bad as a cold wind in your face. Some days I have a few sub inch rifles. Some days not so much. And lm not middle-aged at all anymore. The joy of a private range is immeasurable. Want a gun to cool off go pick up sticks in the yard . Can you say TMI.

 

[Mk-211]

OK, try this. Work starts 1 hour away at 7am. Get off at 3:30. Get home at 4:45 because of city traffic. Let dogs loose, head In to basement to gather what ammo and rifle I want to test. Back up the stairs and out to the barn. Walk our to whatever distance , 20 to 125yds attach target board and target. Walk back and get set up. Now your facing west so the sun is seasonal.
Or Saturday morning . Calm results will vary. I don't care how perfect someone thinks they are. Wind. Wind direction, temp, weather determines results. Especially the , i can do it all day long people. My lane is a little bit low so wind direction isn't as bad as a cold wind in your face. Some days I have a few sub inch rifles. Some days not so much. And lm not middle-aged at all anymore. The joy of a private range is immeasurable. Want a gun to cool off go pick up sticks in the yard . Can you say TMI.

That's why I like living in SoCal, lots of outdoor ranges. That and lots of BLM land.



@Riomouse911

Be heading out in April or May if interested, waiting for the date.

 

[.45Coltguy]

Ditto the So-Cal deserts. Its where I do a lot of plinking. I'm very at home out there. Sometimes just for the day, sometimes for the weekend.

 

[Mk-211]

Ditto the So-Cal deserts. Its where I do a lot of plinking. I'm very at home out there. Sometimes just for the day, sometimes for the weekend.View attachment 1194514View attachment 1194516

If you're interested, drop me a PM, when I get the info, I'll pass it along.

It's out by four corners or what used to be 395/58.

 

[.45Coltguy]

No wonder it looks familiar! Thats fairly close to where we head out to. Might just drop that line. Thanks.

 

[LiveLife]

I noticed POI/group center shifting left/right and up/down group to group

BTW, are you running Ruger stock bolt?

It is a stock bolt. Barrel is a 20 inch Clark and trigger is set at 1pound 14 ounces. It has a Powers Custom trigger kit in it.

After I free floated the 10/22 barrel (Now with KSA bull barrel to be less affected by barrel warm up) and better secured the rear of receiver to factory fullsize modular stock so it would not move with trigger pull (Now with Magpul MOE X-22 stock that has tighter fit) and lightened the trigger pull with Volquartsen target hammer kit (From factory 4.5 lbs to now 2 lbs), group size shrank most from trigger upgrade.

But left/right and up/down diagonal flyers persisted (Not as much as before the upgrades). So as suggested by many on Rimfirecentral and THR, I sent the factory Ruger bolt to CPC to be reworked to headspace/square the bolt face, capture the firing pin by pinning, round/polish the bolt and replaced the extractor with tool steel extractor (10/22 had over 6000 round count by this time) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...22lr-on-the-cheap.898035/page-2#post-12206435

• Bolt is disassembled and ultrasonically cleaned.
• Headspace is surface ground and squared to a .0425 rim depth, the same as a bolt action rifle to tweak in a little accuracy.
• A hole is "E.D.M.'ed", a hardened ground solid dowel pin is pressed in over the top of the front of the firing pin ... This new dowel pin keeps the front of firing pin from raising up and causing flyers and gives more consistent firing pin strikes.
• Firing pin is reworked and surface ground flat.
• Rear / bottom of bolt body is full radiused for smoother/better bolt function with standard and high velocity ammo's.
• Bolt rework is $43 plus $7 flat rate Priority Mail ... Add $10 for CPC EDM tool steel extractor ... turnaround is approximately 2 1/2 weeks or less after it arrives.

I also ordered Power Custom Match bolt - https://eabco.com/hybrid-match-ruger-10-22-bolt-accuracy-tuned/

CNC Precision Machined Features:​

- Pinned Firing Pin Positioner: Stabilizes the firing pin for consistent hit position shot after shot. Consistency means accuracy. Factory bolts are peened with a hammer and punch.​

- Precision Machined Headspace: The breech face is machined to give exactly .044" headspace. This is the optimum headspace for close but proper fitting of ammo and best accuracy. (Factory bolts are sintered metal moldings that have much looser headspace tolerances).​

- CNC Tuned Firing Pin Protrusion: The firing pin protrudes exactly .040". This assures consistent ignition and minimizes rim distortion... Both conditions that enhance accuracy.​

Accuracy Enhancement Parts:​

- Titanium Firing Pin Fitted and Tuned: A lighter firing pin moves quicker and produces a faster "lock time" which gives better accuracy. Titanium is lighter than factory firing pins. This one is installed and tuned for consistent and reliable performance.​

- Titanium Claw Extractor Fitted and Tuned: Light, fast extractor beats the factory part in reliability. This one is fitted for smooth and consistent rim engagement... That's optimum for accuracy. A higher spring tension assures you of reliable ejection.​

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After CPC reworked the factory bolt and with Power Custom Match bolt, flyers reduced significantly even with factory 10/22 barrel. With KSA bull barrel, I am now getting occasional sub 1/2" groups with Aguila 40 gr LRN/CPRN (Initial range test was done with loose thread protector and will repeat groups with thread protector off).

BTW, as to take down screw/bolt tension, results were inconclusive for me. I have seen several videos on different torque settings used with super light tension producing smaller groups but I am not convinced the limited sampling of groups used translates to definitive conclusion.

I have Tekton 10-150 in. lb. torque wrench and my testing revealed that light to moderate tension from 10 lbs produced larger groups than higher tension. I found if tension is too light, takedown screw/bolt will loosen as well. I believe recommended tension is 18-25 lbs and for me with free floated barrel, 20 lb started to tighten up groups compared to lighter tension. YMMV depending on 10/22 type (barrel band model vs no barrel band, etc.) and barrels/stocks used.

 

[DMW1116]

You're not helping my desire to tinker with my first and only 10/22. It shoots TAC 22 pretty well, but anything in the 1200 fps range falls apart. It's just a stock 10/22, so who knows where I'd end up if I started building it into a target gun. My Henry shoots recent lots of Auto Match pretty well, but the 10/22 holds tennis ball sized groups at 50 yards with it, so I'd never be able to judge old vs new lots for accuracy.