denton
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Well, I certainly wouldn't let a guy like that work on my car.
Did they overreact?
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SabbathWolf
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I'm in general agreement with anybody here.
My two cents is that moving forward the company might want to make sure its policies are clarified and maybe go over it an extra time with military guys.
I don't know how things are in the military, but it's a lot of young guys and those rifles aren't holstered. I would not be shocked to find that in the course of going through the day they casually sweep each other somewhat regularly, and especially if things get hot I imagine the four rules get broken plenty. I wouldn't be shocked to find out that what he did would be acceptable in some locations.
Bad habits are hard to break.
On a side note, when my dad was in the army as an MP they didn't let the MPs have a round chambered in their pistol. Though that was in a time of drafts and his description of firearm training for the Army MPs made it sound pretty abysmal.
My two cents is that moving forward the company might want to make sure its policies are clarified and maybe go over it an extra time with military guys.
I don't know how things are in the military, but it's a lot of young guys and those rifles aren't holstered. I would not be shocked to find that in the course of going through the day they casually sweep each other somewhat regularly, and especially if things get hot I imagine the four rules get broken plenty. I wouldn't be shocked to find out that what he did would be acceptable in some locations.
Bad habits are hard to break.
On a side note, when my dad was in the army as an MP they didn't let the MPs have a round chambered in their pistol. Though that was in a time of drafts and his description of firearm training for the Army MPs made it sound pretty abysmal.
gun addict
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no, no no and absolutely no. In the Marines even if i have my rifle on my back and i bent over/flag someone on accident i'd expect to be chewed out immediately by my peers or my NCOs, and if the line is hot there is absolutely no way such behaviors would be condoned.
My judgement call? This guy is a poser/mentally unstable individual
My judgement call? This guy is a poser/mentally unstable individual
SabbathWolf
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As a former NCO...I agree with you.
I'd have been on you like disease on a Bangkok hooker for sweeping another soldier with your weapon.
Freedom_fighter_in_IL
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You would have had to get my boot surgically removed from your butt!!!
Never heard that one before. My old man was in during Korea and always told me he carried the same as he did at home. Condition 2 (magazine loaded, chamber hot, hammer down)
Salmoneye
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Guy pulls gun on car, and you ask if your GF overreacted?
I honor and respect our veterans greatly. They have put themselves in a position to make a sacrifice not all of us are willing to make. That said, I am disgusted when one use's their prior military service as an excuse for poor behavior. The fact this guy repeatedly tossed around the fact he was ex-military as an excuse for careless, thoughtless, and downright unsafe gun handling and his reaction to being dressed down both speak volumes as to this man's character, and the sooner the company is rid of him the better off it will be
shuvelrider
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Sounds like you doubt your GF actions, why even ask that here--------it's common sense that should tell anyone what a dumb-ass that man was, with his actions. I'm an E-7/SFC on deployment at the moment, his actions are not indicative of anything in this army concerning weapons.
She should have used her nightstick on him and knocked that weapon away , then proceed to beat the stupid out of him. Saying and proving he was a veteran is one thing, acting like a poser asshat is another.
She should have used her nightstick on him and knocked that weapon away , then proceed to beat the stupid out of him. Saying and proving he was a veteran is one thing, acting like a poser asshat is another.
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They tried to curtail a dangerous situation and he resisted at every step of the way. They tried to fix a stupid and dangerous act, he just kept the situation escalating at every step of the way. They did the only thing he would let them do.
WSM MAGNUM
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No. I do`nt think his bosses overreacted. He overreacted with the wrong attitude that got him deeper in hot water. If he gets canned, it will be his own fault.
no, they did not over react. have you ever seen what a bullet does when it strikes something solid like an engine block? 
basically, everyone in a 10 foot radius was at risk of serious injury or death if he had pulled the trigger, accidentally or not. he could have gotten the same point across by making the same basic gestures using his hands, without drawing his weapon. :banghead:
he needed to go.
basically, everyone in a 10 foot radius was at risk of serious injury or death if he had pulled the trigger, accidentally or not. he could have gotten the same point across by making the same basic gestures using his hands, without drawing his weapon. :banghead: he needed to go.Sounds to me like they are cutting out a cancer. That guy doesn't have the attitude to be trusted with a jo requiring a gun.
He recklessly drew his sidearm.
He obviously has attitude and behavioral issues.
They are lucky they caught him before he actually harmed an innocent person with his cavalier and overbearing attitude.
The guy completely dug his own grave by cussing out his superiors.
He recklessly drew his sidearm.
He obviously has attitude and behavioral issues.
They are lucky they caught him before he actually harmed an innocent person with his cavalier and overbearing attitude.
The guy completely dug his own grave by cussing out his superiors.
EvilGenius
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Didnt mean to sound like I doubt her actions. I just was throwing this up as a food for thought kind of thing and disnt want to taint it by giving my full opinion outright.
I agree with her actions completely and the opinions of you guys. I think she handled it fine. The only part she second guesses about is wether she shouldve sent him home instead of to the second location, but her company just got taken over and nobody is really sure who can do what and when quite yet so it might not have been an option and I think if she had theres a possibility he could still be working there.
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crracer_712
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Yep, I would too. You never know when someone is going to go off, and by his reaction to the whole thing, he seems like a guy that's ripe for going off.
I have to wonder if he actually acted that stupidly while in the military and how THEY dealt with him. (or if he really served at all) When I wore the uniform if someone did anything that stupid the consequences would be very severe and the individual would usually end up being shipped to some installation that you never heard of for the rest of their enlistment. Stupidity on this level deserves a BIG smackdown. I have worked with individuals like this guy and it made me sick to be around them. The scary part is that most of these guys truly believe that what they did is no big deal.
Double Naught Spy
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Given the description of events, termination seems to be the appropriate choice.
blarby
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Not at all.
She, and they, did they 100% right thing.
She, and they, did they 100% right thing.
Erik M
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I will reassure the person that drew his sidearm, the military would care, and had he done that on post in front of a duty sergeant he would have been 'talked to' about it.
zxcvbob
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"I'm afraid expulsion is the only answer. It is the opinion of the entire staff that Dexter is criminally insane..."
mgkdrgn
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Nope.
Horseplay with guns leads to dead people. Just because he was "in the military" doesn't give him a pass on that.
Horseplay with guns leads to dead people. Just because he was "in the military" doesn't give him a pass on that.
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