Discharge at the Show today

[hobbeeman]

Shortly after I arrived at my table this morning, another exhibitor told me what I had missed by about 5 minutes...Another exhibitor was reholstering his personal CCW, a .25 semi auto, when it discharged through his table and into a box of stuff under it.

The announcements were regular and often after this. The vice president of our club, a local LEO, informed the entire exhibition hall of the following:

The offender has been charged with firing in the city and some form of endangerment;
His CCW gun has been confiscated and will be destroyed;
His CHL is being petitioned to be revoked;
He was allowed to leave the show only because he had his young grandson with him (hastily escorted out);
A warrant will be issued for his arrest;
He has been barred from all future shows;

Our Club may lose its priviledges to host any further shows in the city owned facilities.

Folks, our actions have far-reaching consequences

If the punishments seem severe, they are! We are trying to demonstrate responsibility in firearms ownership and salvage what we can from this incident. Immediately following the announcement of the actions taken, the entire hall applauded

 

[cbrgator]

are you allowed to have loaded weapons at the show? at the shows down here you may carry your pistol but it cannot be loaded.

 

[chieftain]

I know exactly where "down here" is.

At least we figure the OP is in Amarillo.

Go figure.

Fred

 

[LAK]

Was this man reckless? Was he intoxicated? Did someone suffer an injury resulting from this man's actions? How about revoking the driver's licenses of anyone who has ever lost control of a motor vehicle, struck an object or other vehicle at any time?

There seems to be something about this kind of thing that is transcending what can be called reasonable and becoming a sort of obsession.

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[U.S.SFC_RET]

Might seem severe and it is. Carrying a concealed weapon is a heavy responsibility. Never to be taken lightly. Should the gun be destroyed? No.

 

[redneck2]

A few seconds of negligence brings a lifetime of pain.

Was this man reckless? Was he intoxicated? Did someone suffer an injury resulting from this man's actions? How about revoking the driver's licenses of anyone who has ever lost control of a motor vehicle, struck an object or other vehicle at any time?

There seems to be something about this kind of thing that is transcending what can be called reasonable and becoming a sort of obsession.

Actually, he was reckless. Regardless, it's the obsession with the dramatic.

You'll see a picture of a private plane that crashes on the other side of the US, even if no one gets hurt. Car wrecks are every day. That same day 300 people are killed in cars and none even make the news.

And of course the gun was destroyed, the same way an evil rouge pit bull that attacked someone would be destroyed.

 

[gggman]

All the gun shows in my state are posted with signs saying absolutely no loaded guns on the property. That includes concealed carry weapons. Negligence such as you described needs to have severe consequences. These types of incidents damage our reputations as responsible gun owners, and it affects us all. It's another round of ammo for the antis to use against us.

 

[oceanside]

CCW gun being confiscated is one thing. I see no point in destroying it. Maybe put it up for public sale and perhaps bring some revenue for the city. Destroying it means a net loss for everyone

 

[wally]

Pretty much all the gun show venues in the Houston area are posted with the legally binding 30.06 sign preventing CHL holders from carrying. The law grants no exceptions for "vendors". He broke the law and IMHO deserves whatever punishment he gets. The only upside to the incident is nobody got hurt.

People who lose control of a car and injure nobody, do get charged if they violated the law by being drunk while driving for example.

--wally.

 

[Eric F]

His CCW gun has been confiscated and will be destroyed;

Why?

He was allowed to leave the show only because he had his young grandson with him (hastily escorted out);

So if his grandson wan not there he could stay?(read as humor please)

A warrant will be issued for his arrest;

Whats the point in aresting him later if you just let him go now? Are you sure it was not a summons being issued?

I am unfamiliar with the laws of Texas but destroying a gun bassed on an accidental discharge negligent or not just does not make sense to me. I have been to court and seen several guns ordered to be destroyed but they were used in murders and or being used to commit or by a felon. If the guy gets off on the charges by what ever means he can then his gun should not be destroyed.

 

[Starship1st]

Arizona takes this very serious that no one can carry a loaded gun inside of a gun show. I believe this is for every one. We have to even have our action open on the weapon.

This guy did not abide by the rules and so is having his hand slaped. I can not understand why the weapon is going to be destroyed. Even if the weapon is defective it can be repaired?

 

[btg3]

Even if some shows allow CC, it should be CONCEALED and not exhibited or presented unless intended for defensive use. So what was the reason this pistol was unholstered AT ALL?

 

[romma]

Extreme sounding to me.

 

[Harvster]

Point to ponder-


What if a jury finds him innocent of any charges?

 

[CWL]

Our Club may lose its priviledges to host any further shows in the city owned facilities.

The negligence of an individual can and does have repercussions upon everyone else.

 

[Snubby 38]

Look around you at the range...

Next time you're at an indoor or outdoor range, take a look around you at the side partitions and table, see any holes??? Scary, isn't it!

 

[Old Fuff]

Gun show promoters have a hard time getting insurance anyway, and that's part of the reason entrance fees keep going up.

And of course the anti's are looking for any excuse to close gun shows down.

Considering the usual crowds, it would almost impossible to shoot without people in the background. Given the circumstances, there is no reason for exhibitors to be armed, and the practice should be prohibited.

I suspect that destroying the pistol is a legal requirement in this case.

If this guy gets clobbered the Old Fuff will shed no tears.

 

[MechAg94]

This is exactly why most gun shows post 30.06 signs around Houston. 99.999% of the people carrying won't have an issue, but sure enough, some idiot will remember that he wants a new holster or will want to show someone his carry gun and he won't safe it properly.

I do think that list of crap in the original post is very extreme. Banning him from the show I can understand. Dealing with some gun discharge misdemeanor I can understand. Pushing to get his CCW revoked and the other stuff is going a bit far IMO.

I am assuming this show wasn't post with a 30.06 sign banning concealed carry. Otherwise, that would be a felony.

 

[jcwit]

He who is without err, let him cast the first stone. We are still human make mistakes, some deadly. I'm sure this man wishes he never would have gotten out of bed that day. This is not a perfect world.

 

[SSN Vet]

I have never unholstered my concealed weapon and showed it to another person.

I also have never uncovered my concealed weapon and shown it to another person.

showing off and concealed carry are not compatable, imo.

 

[jcwit]

That was his first mistake SSN Vet

 

[NASCAR_MAN]

If we can't tolerate people carrying at Gun Shows - because it is so dangerous - then how can we trust them to carry in public?

Maybe some of you are having second thoughts about concealed carry?

All I know is this: some gun owners - those who eagerly demonize other gun owners - are the de Facto allies of the Brady Bunch.

 

[TimM]

The offender has been charged with firing in the city and some form of endangerment;
His CCW gun has been confiscated and will be destroyed;
His CHL is being petitioned to be revoked;
He was allowed to leave the show only because he had his young grandson with him (hastily escorted out);
A warrant will be issued for his arrest;
He has been barred from all future shows;

The only problem that I have with this is that I believe these same rules should apply to drunk driving. I believe DWI is much more dangerous but the offender usually doesn't get punished to this extreme.

 

[RKBABob]

Was this man reckless? Was he intoxicated? Did someone suffer an injury resulting from this man's actions? How about revoking the driver's licenses of anyone who has ever lost control of a motor vehicle, struck an object or other vehicle at any time?

What he did was the equivalent of driving past parking barricades, through a police roadblock, over the sidewalk, then into the mall... then losing control of his vehicle. Could happen to anyone while they're driving through the mall, right?

Yes, he most definately was reckless. The gun show was most likely posted as "no loaded weapons" and he ignored it. For whatever reason, he decided to unholster his loaded firearm in a public place... why? Maybe to reload the gun which he had previously demonstrated as clear? The gun discharged in a public place, where loaded guns were not to be handled! He's not being punished for a little accident... he's being punished for a series of poor decisions that lead up to the accident.

 

[SamTuckerMTNMAN]

There's a great YOUTUBE video out there of a police fellow with dreads giving a talk to kids and blasts the floors, perhaps his leg. As he limps around explaining how dangerous guns are he starts to lose the audience (4th graders or something) and they go crazy.

This guy deserves a punishment, but was the cops weapon destroyed?

Probably not.

I hate it for that guy though, man.