Discharge at the Show today

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Well, if the punishment fits the crime...do the time, as they say.

The key piece we're all missing here is what the punishment is for the law(s) that were broken. If he's to lose his firearm and permit under law, then that's what happens. Enforce it evenly for ALL perpetrators. Don't like the law? Work to get it changed. Look at today as compared to 10, 15, 20 years ago concerning the number of states that now allow legalized concealed carry.
 
If confiscating his gun and losing his CCW is legally part of that, so be it.
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So is it, then?

Enforce it evenly for ALL perpetrators.
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Well, that's the problem, isn't it? All laws shouldn't be enforced evenly in the first place. Ever hear of zero tolerance? There's a reason judges have the ability to let the punishment fit the crime. Or at least, judges had the ability. These days, zero tolerance is the rule.

Was there a crime committed? Not really; no intent to cause harm. Should he be punished? Sure, he was still negligent to some degree. Is his punishment fitting? Not to my personal sensibilities. YMMV.
 
If confiscating his gun and losing his CCW is legally part of that, so be it.
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Wow you support disarming someone just for a mistake? what if him and his grandson are attacked later and he does not have his CCW to protect them?

Every gun owner must know this right here: just because you get rid of some of the people making mistakes does not mean the anti's will back off, they will NEVER give up until every gun is gone and that is something every single person should know.
 
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Overkill! My God, the only thing missing here is that they didn't take him out and hang him! I'm sure he was embarrassed and ashamed. No one got hurt. Yep, it's overkill.:scrutiny:
 
There was definite negligence there. I know that ive seen cc and oc at the gun shows here in va. I have never looked for a sign saying it was prohibited. I will say 80 percent of the vendors are open carrying. All guns brought in for trading are checked and locked with a cable tie. I wonder why a loaded gun would be removed from the holster at a gun show anyway. Just goes back to what Ive always been taught, treat every gun like its about to go off. Finger off the trigger until youre ready to shoot. Lets just be thankful no one was hurt.
 
This is the way it goes, the guy should have to pay somehow, like a stupidity tax. Unfortunatelly for gun owners everywhere, also another reason not to carry one of those 3 thousand dollar guns around. The police can confiscate your weapon just because they saw it sticking out of your shirt, if they feel like it.
 
I live in Texas and attend local gun shows. The shows I've attended have proper signage (30.06) that precludes carrying a concealed handgun at the show. The sign isn't only for customers. It covers vendors too. So, anyone attending the show is subject to prosecution if they are carrying a loaded firearm concealed at the gun show. The show promoter hires people to check weapons at the door and make sure they are not loaded and then puts a plastic tie through the action. Of course, if you ignore the signage and do not get your gun inspected and have the plastic tie placed through the action, then you are breaking the law at the point that you enter the building with a loaded concealed carry weapon.

They also ask you about loaded magazines too. There is a bucket/bottle at the entrance for confiscated ammo if they find a loaded magazine.

The guy with the ND broke a number of laws when he unholstered and the ND occurred. It's not difficult to follow the rules to keep a show safe!
 
It's interesting to note that so many seem to feel that concealed carry should be prohibited at gun shows, but yet are incensed that it's illegal on school campuses in many locations.

Last year as I recall there was an older gentleman robbed at gunpoint in the parking lot of a gun show not far from me. Criminals know about gun shows. They also know about disarmament, and how law abiding citizens tend to disarm themselves when ordered to. A concealed carry weapon will do you no good in your glovebox if you don't make it back to your car.
 
then you are breaking the law at the point that you enter the building with a loaded concealed carry weapon
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Who said it was concealed? I re-read the article and I didn't see where it said that. He could have dropped the mag and forgot there was a round in the chamber when he entered the show. If I'm wrong, please let me know.
 
I for one think we should stop going to gun shows until we are allowed to carry. It doesn't make sense to not be able to carry at a gun show.
 
In a way, us gun folks have created this problem by insisting that if you carry a gun, it has to be fully loaded with one in pipe. I never carry that way. It doesn't take but a second to cycle the action and in fact it can be done while bringing the gun from the holster essentially not losing any time. I haven't heard of any situation in the recent years where someone wouldn't have had time to do this. I think having the gun on you is going to be more important than having the gun cocked and locked.
 
I think they over reacted. An accident is an accident. What if it happened in his front yard? He would still be in trouble but no where near that much. I think a punishment needs to be in accordance to the crime, not the surrounding circumstances. That little opinion of mine has been the cause of countless yelling contests between me and my parents when I was young. I still believe it though, and anything less in my opinion is irresponsible.
 
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Considering the usual crowds, it would almost impossible to shoot without people in the background. Given the circumstances, there is no reason for exhibitors to be armed, and the practice should be prohibited.
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To my knowledge, there are no "no carry" postings in movie theatres here; should people refrain from carrying in movie theatres because of crowds?

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What he did was the equivalent of driving past parking barricades, through a police roadblock, over the sidewalk, then into the mall... then losing control of his vehicle. Could happen to anyone while they're driving through the mall, right?.
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"Police roadblock"? Let's not make some sort of big parade out of this. What this man did do was disregard the wishes of the owner/operator of a piece of private real estate in regard to carrying firearms. IF it was in actual fact posted.

Yes, he most definately was reckless. The gun show was most likely posted as "no loaded weapons" and he ignored it. For whatever reason, he decided to unholster his loaded firearm in a public place... why? Maybe to reload the gun which he had previously demonstrated as clear? The gun discharged in a public place, where loaded guns were not to be handled! He's not being punished for a little accident... he's being punished for a series of poor decisions that lead up to the accident.
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"Likely posted"? That's a big if. And I do not see any big deal over unloading or loading a firearm in a public place. I can think of a number of reasons someone might want to do this.

Did he violate one of the Four Rules? Perhaps.

There are vehicle collisions every day in Houston involving people with no licenses, no insurance, and actual reckless behavior - often intentional and flagrant. Even with identifiable persons involved, not even a small fraction of them are held accountable for their actions - for a variety of reasons - regardless of property damages and in some cases actual injuries caused to people.

Unless he was behaving in a truly reckless manner at the time of the incident, or it was intentional, it is still all alot of overreaction to me.

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Basicaly folks I think the whole over reaction is due to money. Insurance for gun shows is not cheap or easy to come by. An accident at one would be almosr garenteed to have a policey canceled.

I do not agree with what the end results are with postings or not. Infact I have to question if thats what happened or if some of it has been "added to". I am certian that the accident was indeed negligent but to the extent of destroying the gun? rough town if thats the case. Any way here at THR there are always very strong oponions when it comes to negligent and accident discharges. So every one take it easy on each other its just the internet right?
 
Wow they are really throwing the book at this guy. I say once the DA gets around to prosecuting all the real criminals to the fullest extent of the law, he can go after this guy.
 
Basicaly folks I think the whole over reaction is due to money. Insurance for gun shows is not cheap or easy to come by. An accident at one would be almosr garenteed to have a policey canceled.
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I don't agree at all. It's about not being able as a society to let something go. I'm guilty of it. This past weekend in Denver, a couple were shot over a parking space fued that had gone on for a long time.

But, we need to penalize the above shooter instead of simple mistakes like made at the gun show. And we need to stand behind to decissions to not make examples out people just for the sake of making examples.
 
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