Displaying your arsenal over THR.

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Here's a radical suggestion for you:

Instead of assuming that everyone who posts photos of their guns (or lists of their gun collections) is a braindead moron with the IQ of a sheep, how about we assume that they're reasonable, rational, sane adults who are aware of the risks, have taken precautions, and are comfortable with their actions.

Then maybe we could make it through a few photo threads without half a dozen posters feeling the need to utter dire prophecies of doom to anyone who dares participate.
 
As far as that story goes...it seems fake to me. Why would someone leave evidence like that behind? Seems very stupid. It is too in your face. Like a made up story to teach a lesson. If it is real - then WOW.
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I'd like to point out that criminal masterminds write bank holdup notes on the back of their utility bills, get stuck in vents, leave their wallets at the scene, and sometimes also fall asleep and are captured at the scene after consuming too much of the homeowner's beer.

Criminals aren't criminals because they are Nobel Prize material.
 
For most of us, our cars are much more valuable than our gun collections, and we drive those around in public every day. Big deal.

We go to the range and shoot our guns in front of perfect strangers; we go to gun stores, gun shows, buy ammo online that has to be delivered by someone...

...but a picture on the internet, of a gun that looks just like the other million produced this year. Yep, thats what is going to get your guns stolen. :)

Also, for the tinfoil types.... the federal agents reading your thousands of posts on a forum dedicated to firearms are smart enough to know that you own them, even if you pretend every once in a while that you don't.

I guess my point is that anyone who *really* thought the internet was going to be the source of a master heist of their gun collection or other possessions wouldn't be posting here in the first place.
 
Geez

I remember on another forum, they had a whole thread about meeting up at a local shooting range here in Southern California, it listed the sns, some with their real names and pictures of every member that attended the event... oh and plus the total of guns that they brought.. i just shook my head and said what a bunch of @#$% :eek: Some of them, pictures of their significant others. I wouldnt post my pictures, let alone my kids and wife, mistress or gf's. I've seen posts where guys post where they go to church, where they work at etc :uhoh:

No guns here man, just a louisville slugger, a slingshot and a can of mase :neener:
 
they had a whole thread about meeting up at a local shooting range here in Southern California
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I think they should be applauded for publicly taking a stand against your state's oppressive gun laws.

a louisville slugger, a slingshot and a can of mase
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If those are still legal there, it's probably only because of legislative oversight.
 
Unless you're posting pictures of the glock owned by jesus or a really huge collection I don't see the logic in looking at a picture of a few guns and tracking the person down to steal them. I imagine there are far easier ways to steal firearms without all the detective work. *shrug* Maybe my foil just needs tightening.
 
While I don't worry about being tracked down through the internet when listing a gun for sale, I do not sell it from my home.

I always list my cell phone number with an ad (different billing address) and for any potential buyers, I offer to meet them somewhere about halfway between us.

Should anyone ever tell me they don't want to meet and insist on coming to my home (hasn't happened yet and I really don't expect it to), I'll simply tell them "Goodbye".

I think these are reasonable precautions and not paranoia. Gotta go now-I hear the black helicopters......:neener:

Sam
 
There isn't a law in California that says you can't get together at a public range shoot. It's bad enough that LA has a high rate of home invations, that range isn't a private a range, it's a public range that many people know about and go to. I've seen many "wanna be thugs" go there and shoot and i dont think it's a good idea to post your face, how many guns you own and your families pictures online. We're all taking a stand just by owning a firearm, posting them online doesn't make a stand. My wife caught a co-worker of hers on the site i frequent. She never mentioned to him that i am also on that site because she knows how i am about "security". All she asked was "oh hey what's that" and he went on about what it is and how many guns he owns plus his sn on the site yaddi yadda. If i was a bad guy.. well i hope you get the picture, i'd know almost everything about him and where to find him. The Feds, ATF or who ever else go on here will know who's who if they really wanted to find out just by the IP and a little work, and theyll know who owns what.. i have nothing to hide from them, my guns are registered and legal. I'm sure they know how much i own (which is none :rolleyes: ).. my main concern are people with bad intentions. About 12 years ago, several Asian/Filipino gang members invaded my friends parents home in Orange County, these guys got away clean with more than a dozen handguns and some rifles and one of them was used in a homicide. Those are the people i worry about. Posting on this site doesn't always mean you own gun, i use to go see guys post 100 to 200 posts before going out and getting one. Who knows, maybe the firearm theyre speaking on (giving opinions on) aren't even theirs, maybe its their relatives that they use often, maybe a friend.
 
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It's hard to have a meaningful discussion about firearms without mentioning what you own. If person A asks a question about the features and accuracy of gun X, and person B responds with a thoughtful and detailed analysis of the gun's features and characteristics that could only have come from actually owning and shooting the gun in question, then it's a pretty good bet that Person B owns one. Not much different than actually posting a photo of said gun.

Just posting here at all, in a way that indicates you know what you're talking about, is a good indicator that you have guns in your residence.

Now, if you post here UNDER YOUR REAL NAME, or you give details in posts that would allow a random reader with some time and search-engine skills to identify you and find your address, you have a potential problem. But allowing it to be known that "WildBill1234" owns a Springfield Armory SOCOM II isn't so much of a security threat; it's when the information gets out that "WildBill1234" is John Smith, 23 Wallaby Way, Hartford, Connecticut that it becomes a threat to you and yours.

IMHO, the identity side is the side of the opsec equation that bears the most attention. Don't post photos of your car's license plate, the exterior of your house, tell where you work or go to school; don't give people you meet online your [email protected] email address, and don't email other board members with it (use the forum PM function instead); don't offer to have strangers show up at your house to buy stuff from you; don't tell people you meet in the real world that you post under the name WildBill1234 on THR; and so on.
 
I've seen many "wanna be thugs" go there and shoot and i dont think it's a good idea to post your face, how many guns you own and your families pictures online.
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If the "thugs" are at the range, they already know your face and what you own. What does that have to do with posting your pictures online?

About 12 years ago, several Asian/Filipino gang members invaded my friends parents home in Orange County, these guys got away clean with more than a dozen handguns and some rifles and one of them was used in a homicide. Those are the people i worry about.
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Again, that sounds like plain old burglary, not photo-thread-on-thehighroad.org-inspired crime. This robbery and the argument against posting pictures are unrelated.

Don't post photos of your car's license plate, the exterior of your house,
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Now, THAT is some good advice.

There are picture threads on every one of the 100s of gunboards online...so ask yourself this: have you ever seen someone personally post anything stating that THEIR home was broken into because of pictures they put online? I haven't, although I've seen lots of people say that "they heard about" or "someone they know told them." :rolleyes: The number of things that I have "heard" that turned out not to be true could fill 10 books.
 
That's the best part of my username- when you google it, you get nothing but radio stations. :D
 
when we let criminals stop us from doing what we want or need, they are winning.

I don't think this calls for never posting pictures, but I think it calls for us to no longer be in 'condition white' when surfing and posting.

I second what others have said, keep on surfing and posting, just use a bit of care and caution. No, it won't hurt you one bit to obscure serial numbers on guns before posting pics, and you still get all the benifits.

Also, the flaw in the opening scenario wasn't the fact that he showed his exact collection, as any random THR member or any gunforum member probably will have a nice collection worth stealing. His problem was giving out his address.
 
Harvester

If you feel that it is okay to post your face, your kids and wife plus your guns picture online, go right ahead bro.. to each is own. I'm just giving you my opinion on this and i dont expect everyone to agree with me. I'm not trying to a argue here, go ahead and post on man. You dont know the whole story about the incident in Orange County so i'd stay clear on "just a regular roberry" comments. Posting your collection with pictures and just posting a comment without pictures are two different things, i can go on and about what own but do i really own them, hope you know what i'm talking about. "Ah, he does own those guns".. true that those people at the range know my face.. but they dont know what i own, i dont go to the range with a "collection".
 
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in va

ans some other states i can get your address easily with a plate free
i'll wager can get almost anyones for under a 100 online
 
Believe it or not

Some guys slip and have posted their brand new cars parked in front of their home. The gym they use, restaurants they go often etc etc.
 
Paranoia strikes deep....

IF someone is smart enough to figure out who I am and where I live from my postings, he's a pretty good hacker, and can make more money else where. IF he decides to try and rob the place when no ones home (rare), because there's no car in the driveway (never, even if noones home), or call on the phone (We, my sons and I, only use cell phones). IF he actually DOES try to get in, he's gotta deal withh at least 3 German Shepherds, that don't take kindly to a stranger in their territory. And IF he gets past them (highly unlikely) he has to find where all the guns are stashed (and that's NOT at ALL obvious).

I wouldn't have a problem doing an FTF, at my house, as anyone that sees the layout, hears the dogs (I wouldn't let him inside) would realize that its a REALLY bad idea. In fact its pretty much a suicide move. No brag, just fact.
 
I saw someone on Craig's list who was selling of all his gun stuff, and included a picture of his safe and everything in it. One of the items was a detachable mag SKS--it is a felony to sell that in California. I don't know if he got caught, but gun laws, especially in California, change frequently, and unless you are keeping up, it's easy to become a "felon". But it's doubtful anyone would have ever known if he hadn't posted a picture on the Internet.

On CalGuns.net, people did web searches and posted personal information about several higher-ups in the California Department of Justice Firearms Division. The DOJ threatened the admin, who deleted many posts and added the names of these people to the word filters.

A legal group buy of stripped AR lowers on CalGuns.net got busted because the DOJ got wind of it. When they visited the FFL, they claimed they were doing a "routine inspection". All receivers were seized because they couldn't all fit in the safe.

The Cal DOJ Firearms Division also has done a number of other things that make it obvious they surf CalGuns.net frequently.

So I don't know if thieves (not employed by the gov't) are watching, but Big Brother most definitely is, especially in California.
 
I think the most important note we can draw from this thread is this:

DON'T SELL YOUR GUNS!!! :neener:
 
But someone posted on another forum a real life case of a guy who posted his collection. Later, he had occasion to sell one of his guns. Someone committed to buy. It was to be a face-to-face. The seller agreed to process the transaction at the seller's house.
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I've heard this story before. No one can seem to dig up the forum, or the post, or any factual evidence of this actually happening.

It's like mythbusters on gun boards sometimes.

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If someone hasn't got the common sence to post pics of their collection in a secure manner, then you have to question whether they want the guns to be taken??

And if their common sence is really that bad then they shouldn't have firearms in the first place.

It does sound all a bit paranoid to me though and in all fairness there are bigger things to worry about, like when you're out for a nice quiet meal with the 'little lady', you find yourself sitting there, thinking, bloody hell.....hope the wife doesn't walk in???

PS. Google my real name and all that keeps coming up is some dam neuclear sub???
 
getting addresses

in md you used to be able to just run plated but i believe they stopped that. In Va you get an "application for title to an abandoned vehicle" fill it out they give you registered owners address so you can send a registered letter there. its an end run on the intended pupose of the law but a crook who's about to do a felony won't trip over a misdemeanor entree
 
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