Do-all Glock

[Badger Arms]

I've decided, I'm selling a few pistols and buying one that I intend to be to end all and do-all pistol setup. Here's what I'm getting:

Glock 22C (compensated) with Factory Tritium Sights and extended mag release. I'm installing the slug-plug for the bottom of the grip frame. I'll keep the standard 5.5 pound disconnector.

Five 15-round magazines and two 29-round magazines in addition to what comes with the gun. I can still use the Clinton mags for range practice and magazine change drills.

Glock Tactical Light/Laser with a few dozen extra batteries I keep stashed in the Freezer.

I'm feeding it strictly CorBon... either the 135gr PowRBall or whichever of the three JHP loads shoots the most accurate. For practice, I'll shoot ball ammo of course.

For this, I'm selling my standard Glock 22, my Ruger P94, and my S&W 4516.

 

[cerberus]

Not the Compensated

I would re-think the compensated item. The flash and the unburnt powder in your face. Just my thoughts.

 

[Jesse308]

I'm with Cerberus on this one.

 

[Darkmind]

I'm with you guys on this one. A factory compensated pistol with night sights will do you no good at night. Being that the flash from the top of the pistol will screw with your night vision and makes it harder to see the sights. To me thats just a waste of 50 to 100 bucks on night sights that you wont even be able to use right.

 

[c_yeager]

I'm with you guys on this one. A factory compensated pistol with night sights will do you no good at night. Being that the flash from the top of the pistol will screw with your night vision and makes it harder to see the sights. To me thats just a waste of 50 to 100 bucks on night sights that you wont even be able to use right.

From my limited experience the blast of an UNCOMPENSATED pistol will completely screw my nightvision so it's mute to me. I think the real answer is FLASHLIGHT. ANd you still need nightsights with a flashlight so that you can see the sights as well as the target.

 

[Badger Arms]

I've found the CorBon is virtually flash free. As for unburnt powder in the face... I've never experienced that on my MagNaPorted guns. Is there something different about the Glock compensation? Yes, I agree that the flashlight is a good idea.

 

[Silent Bob]

Another option is to get the "C" version as well as an unported factory barrel. Use the unported barrel for defense, and play with the ported barrel.

 

[Black Snowman]

I never found the ports on the C model glocks to be terribly effective except for my old 24 P with the large and slanted ports along the barrel. I think working on technique will do more for fast and accurate follow-up shots than the little slits that Glock calls a "compensator".

If you really want improved performance my recomendation is a fitted "comp"ed barrel from someone like AeroTek, KKM, or the like. The little ports on the stock Glocks don't get the job done enough to make up having to worry about gas projecting out the top.

YMMV and all that.

 

[Big Mike]

I'm with Badger Arms, Corbon 9mm is a lotta kick with very little flash. WWB from Wal-Mart has more flash than the Corbon I carry. I'd get the regular frame too, no comp. Mike

 

[AmmuNational420]

I have a Glock 17 (with a normal barrel) and a glock 19 with a compensated barrel, I can tell almost no difference in the recoil, especially seeing as glocks are made so that the recoil pushes back instead of up. . . The whole reason behind the compensator (please don't flame me for this, the equivelant of it is on the glock site) is for people who don't properly secure their weapon when they fire it or people who can't handle the regular recoil and allow their weapon to cant upwards. and I can't fire the 19 at all during the night, because it takes 2-3 minuites between shots to actually be able to make out the outline of the target again...

Just stating my opinions...

 

[Grayrider]

Badger Arms,

I had a 17L and a 20C, both of which would at times tag me in the face with particulate matter (not sure if it was powder or shavings) that was unpleasant. Like the others above I noted little difference in recovery time. Skip the porting IMHO.

This is a very interesting project, much like I have worked on myself lately. I am headed down that road with a 21, M3 TI (although the laser combo sounds interesting), 3.5lbs trigger, reduced power striker spring, mag well, extended mag catch, extended slide stop (still not sure I need that one), fiber front blade, 13 rounders with a few using +2 extensions. I am stoking it with 230 grain JHPs. I elected for fiber vs. tritium as if I am illuminating using the light, the fiber will glow like a red-dot sight. A laser combo might also produce that outcome, though. The tritium would then give you a lights-off option. Of course the 40 vs 45 issue I won't get into. I like both rounds, so no objections to your choice there. I am just many years down the road with lots of 45 under my belt.



I had thought about doing this with a 22, and seeking some higher-cap mags. Are you using Scherer's? I had bad experiences with their mags in the past. All cracked early and never fed reliably, albeit they were standard caps. I was wondering if a Glock 18 mag would work, just hold less rounds in 40 than 9mm?

Then there would also be setting this up in a 35 or 26. They sure handle well, and already have some of the goodies you want to add. I was fondling a nice 26 at a gun shop yesterday...

Please keep us posted on your project. I have a 22, so there could be room for me to do both layouts. Then again, perhaps there is an excuse here for another gun...



GR

 

[Edmond]

I personally don't like the extended mag release. IMO, it pops out too much and may release that mag when you don't want it to. I had the extended mag releases and ended up trading someone for the regular ones.

One thing I did get is the extended slide stop because the stock Glock stops are a PITA.

 

[biere]

If you are going to be this serious I would consider selling the 10 rounders to folks in california or other states that still have their state magazine bans in place. I say this because I think it is better to practice with 15 rounders instead of getting used to sometimes having 10 rounds and sometimes 15 rounds.

If going with the scherer mags, I also do not think they are worth the hassle. I have 2 of the 30 round mags in 9mm and they are a waste of money even after I took them apart and tried to tweak them and what not.

I don't know much about the rest of the non stock glock stuff so I can't comment on it.

 

[Badger Arms]

The whole reason behind the compensator (please don't flame me for this, the equivelant of it is on the glock site) is for people who don't properly secure their weapon when they fire it or people who can't handle the regular recoil and allow their weapon to cant upwards.

No, it's not for recoil control, it's for muzzle flip! I've heard this one gotten wrong so many times that it is beginning to take shape as an urban legend. I am not recoil sensative in the least. I do have issues with the gun flipping up and down when I shoot it. I've got other ported guns and note that I can shoot better follow-up shots with the porting than I can without... every time. The 9mm is mild, yes, but I still notice a difference in MUZZLE FLIP. I wouldn't care if there is a difference in actual recoil or felt recoil.

I've heard the counter-argument lots of times... "Oh, you're not holding the gun tight enough." Bah, there's no holding it tight enough. The gun does recoil and the muzzle does flip. You can't argue with physics.

Of course, that doesn't mean that it won't also spit jacket or powder back at me. I'd never considered that. I've got a Black Widow revolver that spits like a Camel.

 

[Soap]

I guess you never shoot from pectoral index retention. I hate comped guns for defense. For range use, they're okay.

 

[Database]

what about competition?

If this is your do all pistol the compensator could be a problem for some competitive pistol sports. IDPA, for example, does not allow use of ported barrels.

 

[Grayrider]

Along those lines you may want to just add weight up front. I forgot to note on my setup I was planning a metal guide-rod of some sort. Tungsten if I feel rich, otherwise stainless. That should add some flip reducing qualities without the disadvantages of porting. That and your light/laser combo probably will do more than porting would have anyway.

Does anyone know if the G18 mags will work with 40 ammo? I may need to do some digging over at Glocktalk. Don't forget you can also get +8 extensions for standard 22 mags. They are pretty cheap from Brownells at dealer price.

GR

 

[AmmuNational420]

No, it's not for recoil control, it's for muzzle flip! I've heard this one gotten wrong so many times that it is beginning to take shape as an urban legend. I am not recoil sensative in the least. I do have issues with the gun flipping up and down when I shoot it. I've got other ported guns and note that I can shoot better follow-up shots with the porting than I can without... every time. The 9mm is mild, yes, but I still notice a difference in MUZZLE FLIP. I wouldn't care if there is a difference in actual recoil or felt recoil.

And muzzle flip is a product of recoil and the properties that cause recoil.
And just so you know that I was quoting factual information and not so-called "Urban Legends"

http://www.glock.com/compensator.htm

Compensated GLOCKS „Meet the Recoil-Tamers"

Although they are available in different frame sizes and caliber's, they are similar in one respect: they all have ported barrels. Known collectively as the "C" models, these include the 17C, 19C, 20C, 21C, 22C, 23C, 24C, 31C, and 32C.

All these new compensated models, except the GLOCK 24C have the same features as their counterpart non-compensated service pistols except for the addition of the barrel ports that face out and exhaust through two vents cut into the top of each slide. The GLOCK 24C is the longslide competition pistol in .40 and here the four ports are placed on top of the barrel to vent through the open area at the top of the slide.

Shooters who are recoil sensitive will especially appreciate the GLOCK "C" models. They are also useful for young and beginning shooters

 

[cratz2]

I've shot a 23 and a 23C back to back with 165 Gr Gold Dots and the muzzle flip just wasn't reduced enough to justify the rearward blast and the chance of particles in the face.

I've shot 38 Super and 9x23 race 1911s with good comps that had so little muzzle flip, it felt like shooting a standard non-comped 22lr 1911.

I just don't care for the Glock comps and in my opinion, they don't justify their added detriments.

 

[cobain187]

If i lived in Alaska my do all would be a 4" .44 magnum, or maybe a tandem of .44 mag and a .44 special snub. Loads would varry from self defense to the best animal protection rounds that a handgun can offer. Such as.....

http://www.garrettcartridges.com/

testamonial from website

"You've made a believer out of me. Last September I was hunting Alaskan grizzly with some natives when one of them wounded a male that took off in the brush. Four of us went in after him, the other 3 had rifles and due to the circumstances of the moment, I was armed with only a S&W 2.5" 44 Magnum loaded with your rounds. I was the fourth guy back, and you guessed it, he circled back around us and did a full charge from the rear at about 15-feet. I turned and shot, hitting him in the upper shoulder, blowing out his lungs and lodging just under the hide on the far side. It knocked him down, giving me enough time to empty my remaining rounds to keep him down. I know these loads were a real life saver!"

Nothing could be finer, save their loads for the 45/70 govt.

 

[middy]

My do-all Glock recipe:

Take a G17 with 5 full-capacity mags. Replace the the front sight with a steel night-sight.

Voila! The do-all Glock.

 

[TaxPhd]

Guys, get your terminology straight.

All comps are ported, but not all ports are comped. The C model Glocks are ported, not comped.

"The whole reason behind the compensator (please don't flame me for this, the equivelant of it is on the glock site) is for people who don't properly secure their weapon when they fire it or people who can't handle the regular recoil and allow their weapon to cant upwards."

Sounds like someone has spent a lot of time on internet discussion forums, rather than actually shooting comp guns.




Scott

 

[cratz2]

Yeah... I didn't want to go there... but they are ported rather than comped.

Also, it seems to me that the holes are just randomly drilled rather than where they would be the most effective.

For reduced recoil, and esp reduced muzzle flip, I'd definately rather have extra weight on or past the muzzle than a ported gun. Having said that, my Mag Na Ported Super Blackhawk does an amazing job at making 300 Gr hunting loads quite tolerable. But again, comparing the 23 to the 23C just isn't a world of difference... And would not really consider the 22C or 23C for a carry gun.