Do any police depts/federal agencies still issue revolvers?

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Just curious.

Do any allow them for backup weapons?

What is the advantage of SAs that caused most agencies to switch?
 
My PD issues semi-automatics for duty, but allows revolvers for backup and off-duty. My BUG is a S&W 37-2 Airweight.

There are a lot of reasons for the general switch. The main ones are a perceived need for increased "firepower" to combat more heavily armed criminals (which was probably mostly a myth) and the general advancement in other technology in which auto pistols seem to fit.

I like carrying an auto on patrol. I work full-time for one PD that issues me a pistol and part-time for another that lets me carry anything I want. I still carry an auto at my part-time job, though it is a .45ACP rather than a .40S&W, which is what my full-time PD issues.

I wouldn't feel "outgunned" at all carrying a revolver, so long as it was a .357 Magnum, .44 Special, or .45ACP chambered revolver. I don't think I'd want to carry a .38 Special as a primary weapon (though I could make due if required). Revolvers are excellent weapons, they are just not the "in thing" these days in law enforcement, rightly or wrongly.

I am sure there are some PDs still issuing revolvers. For the most part officers carrying them are probably those grandfathered in. NYPD, LAPD, and Chicago PD all have officers who still carry wheel guns, but they aren't authorizing new officers to carry them are primaries anymore SFAIK.

Revolvers are still pretty common in corrections and armed security, but have mostly left front-line policing.
 
I always assumed that it was a capacity issue. GLOCK with 17 rounds and two extra magazines with a total of 51 rounds or a six shooter with two speed loaders? with a total of 18 rounds? Magazine from the Glock almost has the wheel gun beat. I personally have no problem with a five shot .357mag J frame as my primary carry weapon but if I was an officer Would I rather carry the GLOCK HELL YES From time to time cops wind up in serious firefights. I think the only cops still carrying wheel guns are desk jockies and as backup. But what do I know?
 
As Landric stated, generally speaking, the only cops you see carrying revolvers are the old timers who've been serving since before the switch. They're grandfathered in. The vast majority of departments require the carrying of Semi-automatics for duty. There are still a few departments, very few, which still mandate or allow revolvers for duty carry. Many do allow revolvers for off-duty. Mine doesn't, but I wish they would, as, at times I want something very small like my Smith' 640 for off-duty.
I'd have to argue that it is prudent for us to carry SA's for the tactical advantage of increased capacity and quick reloads. Sure, guys like Jerry Michulek (spelling?) can reload revolvers with superhuman speed, but most of us can't. The SA is much quicker for the masses. There are times, documented incidents, which indicate the NEED for Hi-cap and quick reload. Although not an everyday occurrence, it does happen, and it pays to be tactically prepared, especially in a place like Chicagoland. Don't get me wrong, Chicago hasn't cornered the market on criminals with hi cap weapons, they're everywhere. but I've been privy to too many incidents which demonstrate that a hi-cap, quickly reloading pistol is superior to a revolver. And I'm a guy who loves revolvers, and greatly prefers them to SA's for personal use.
 
AFAIK the San Diego Transit Authority cops all carry revolvers. I've never seen one with anything else -- and I have seen them with said revolvers drawn, too, to the guns are not just window dressing.
 
Thanks for all the helpful replies - seems it comes down to reload time and capacity.

My sister is a cop in a major city (Austin) and they mandate SAs.

I've only owned a gun for a bit under a year and my only real experience is with my Glock. Dad has a .357 magnum revolver I fired a few times growing up.
 
Last time I was at Dallas City Hall, all the cops there had what appeared to be K frame revolvers. Not sure why that is instead of the autos, but it sure did my heart good to see.
 
I thought that revolvers were simply not the standard weapon for LEOs anymore. I thought that outside of older officers, and backup weapons, revolvers were pretty much no longer an LEO weapon.
 
Someone made the point to me one time that to most LEOs their sidearm is just another tool of the trade. They aren't serious enthusiasts like most members of this board. That being the case most of them only practice until they are good enough with their handgun, range trips aren't something they look forward to like we do. So a semiauto makes more sense because of the higher ammo capacity. Being able to put more lead towards the bad guy means you don't have to be quite as accurate.

Not the best of arguments, but I've heard the same thing said about the armed forces switching to 9mm from .45acp. Unfortunately it kind of makes sense.
 
I know the Philadelphia PD still has a few officers who carry revolvers, but they were all issued them before they were issued Glocks.
 
Someone made the point to me one time that to most LEOs their sidearm is just another tool of the trade. They aren't serious enthusiasts like most members of this board. That being the case most of them only practice until they are good enough with their handgun, range trips aren't something they look forward to like we do. So a semiauto makes more sense because of the higher ammo capacity. Being able to put more lead towards the bad guy means you don't have to be quite as accurate.

While there are certainly cops out there that don't put much effort into firearms training or are not firearms enthusiasts, you're painting with a pretty broad brush to say most of them are like that. In fact, in my experience it is exactly the opposite.

Police depts starting switching to semi-autos when reliable, high capacity 9mm's came available. It was a matter of capacity/firepower, not a choice of "spray and pray" over training and accurate, aimed fire. And, the idea that "Being able to put more lead towards the bad guy means you don't have to be quite as accurate" is just foolish as LEO's, like everybody else, are responsible for every round they fire. They are also acutely aware that only hits count and if they have to fire on someone they are shooting to stop them, not laying down suppressing fire or throwing lead and hoping for the best.
 
Just my .2 cents

I've haven't attended any of these personally, but I have watched them, and LEO's aren't trained as much to 'serve and protect' as they are to shoot and 'assault' there targets -By that I mean, they are trained to 'advance' on there targets while shooting. I suppose funding from DHS has made many local offices buy up the latest and greatest deals on firearms they can afford. S&W practically gives them away to departments, I hazard a guess as to it being a marketing ploy to get revolvers and Glocks out of there hands. Then, you get to hear stories like this one today:Cops Open Fire On Unarmed Couple
Police opened fire on an unarmed couple during a routine traffic stop late Tuesday night because one officer "thought he was shot," a high-ranking Salinas Police Department official said Thursday.

"He saw what he perceived as a threat and thought he was shot, and based on that both officers discharged their firearms," said Dino Bardoni, commander of investigations.

No one was hurt in the 11:24 p.m. incident at North Sanborn Road and Freedom Parkway, but the couple's SUV was riddled with bullet holes and its rear window was shattered.

Police are releasing few details about the incident or case and have characterized it as a "priority investigation," Bardoni said.

It's the fourth officer-involved shooting in the city in the past seven months, two of which were fatal.

Interim Police Chief Daniel Ortega refused to discuss the most recent case, referring all questions to Bardoni.

Bardoni said the incident began when one officer stopped the vehicle because one of its license plate lights was not working. He was joined shortly thereafter by a second officer.

Bardoni said the primary officer was in the midst of contacting the vehicle's occupants, a driver and passenger, when the problem began.

"He was walking up to them, nothing out of the ordinary," Bardoni said, when there was the perception of a threat and the officer thought he'd been shot.

Police later determined that the couple was unarmed.

Neither of the vehicle's occupants was arrested or cited.

The couple, Adrianna Velasquez and Julio Fernandez, could not be reached for comment.

Bardoni declined to identify the officers or to confirm or deny that one of them is the same officer who was involved in the tragic shooting death last year of Maria Irma Del La Torre, 45, of Salinas.

She was shot and killed when officers mistook a knitting needle for an ice pick and said she lunged at them. De La Torre was taking medication for epileptic seizures at the time of her death.

Contact Jack Foley at [email protected]

I'm not saying LEO's are bad folks at all. But back when I was working with them, we had some overzealous types, the "I don't give a crap' guys, and most of us who took our jobs, as well, jobs.
 
Good Guys vs. Bad Guys . . .

Back on topic, please . . .

The OP asked:
What is the advantage of SAs that caused most agencies to switch?

It was really a dis-advantage that bought about the switch . . .

Change/switch to SAs by LE came about back in the '80s when all too often the LE community found itself being out-gunned by the bad guys.

One critical incident in particular which highlighted LE shortcomings occured when several agents of a famous federal LE agency responed to an incident in FL with their wheel guns & shotguns only to suffer numerous casualties during a major shoot-out inflicted by just two bad guys armed with high-capacity auto/semi-auto weapons.

The after-action report of this one incident is credited as being the primary catalyst which finally overcame the parocial mentality in the general LE commuity-at-large to initiate the change-over.
 
Salinas is like a war zone these days.Bardoni is probably stressed to the hallucination point, I've seen this in combat! If we could only return to the friendly old stern beat cop with revolver days! But remember that in those days a copper would shoot you if you ran and no commie ACLU slime would sue. Also California Rural Legal Assistence wasn't protecting the Mexican gang bangers right to be here .
 
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One critical incident in particular which highlighted LE shortcomings occured when several agents of a famous federal LE agency responed to an incident in FL with their wheel guns & shotguns only to suffer numerous casualties during a major shoot-out inflicted by just two bad guys armed with high-capacity auto/semi-auto weapons

the incident you are referring to was lost due to tactics rather than equipment. as a matter of fact 4 of the agents were armed with the S&W M-459 high-cap 9mm pistol. the bad guys were armed with semi-automatic rifles.

when i started in LE, the issue weapon was the S&W M-15 .38spl which we loaded with 125gr jhp +P ammo. one of the reasons we converted to semi-auto pistols was that it was easier to teach mag changes than speedloader reloads (we were issued belt loops, but everyone bought their own speedloaders). one thing that we gave up during the switch was qualifying from the 50 yard line, it took too much time to teach trigger control to make the shots
 
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If we could only return to the friendly old stern beat cop with revolver days! But remember that in those days a copper would shoot you if you ran and no commie ACLU slime would sue. Also California Rural Legal Assistence wasn't protecting the Mexican gang bangers right to be here .

Cops also stood by and let folks lynch black people back then too, and probably shook folks down for pocket cash far more than they do nowadays with established Internal Affairs processes in place. So let's not paint it too rosy.

the incident you are referring to was lost due to tactics rather than equipment. as a matter of fact 2 of the agents were armed with the S&W M-59 high-cap 9mm pistol. the bad guys were armed with semi-automatic rifles.

For folks unfamiliar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

Fictionalized recreation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBGfKtuo2AM
 
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Cops also stood by and let folks lynch black people back then too" I'm calling BS on this one north of the mason dixon in the 20th century.Well I guess people get what kind of lawenforcement (and presidents) they desrve nowadays!
 
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Cops also stood by and let folks lynch black people back then too" I'm calling BS on this one north of the mason dixon in the 20th century.Well I guess people get what kind of lawenforcement (and presidents) they desrve nowadays!

Setting aside the fact that that's basically saying "oh, it's understandable if cops participated in killing black citizens... it was the South", I'd dispute that. Do you think cops were somehow awfully friendly to black people in Chicago, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc. throughout the 20th Century?

I'm just really not supportive of THR folks pining for "the days when a cop could shoot a fleeing Mexican in the back and get away with that, before those Commies started in with the whole civil rights nonsense." But hey, don't let me get in the way of nostalgia for racism.

Oh, and for folks thinking racial violence was purely a Southern thing, this was what Omaha looked like in 1919:
Omaha_Riot_Infantry.jpg


In fairness, some policeman did try to stop the mob, but others gave up or joined in the lynching.

Note that not long before that, a mob drove all the Greek folks out of town after a Greek shot an Irish cop. So folks were still engaging in progroms against other white minorities in the early 20th century.

Nowadays isn't perfect, but at least we're not burning down neighborhoods to get rid of the Irish. Now folks just found different people to pick on.
 
Back on topic, please . . .

Just a reminder . . .

The OP asked:
Just curious.

Do any allow them for backup weapons?

What is the advantage of SAs that caused most agencies to switch?

Please explain (if you can) what relevance do the allegations of corrupt, racist, kangaroo LE practices of the 20th Century have with the topic some of us are trying to address/discuss . . . other than to hi-jack the thread, of course!

If that's what you want to discuss, then -fine, well & good . . . but . . .start your own thread elsewhere, please . . . & . . . btw, take your posts with you while you're at it - OK?
 
1texican, I think there was a semi auto with the feds that day a s&w mod 59 but if I remember right it went down early in the fight think it took a round been awhile since I seen any films on it. I think it was agent Mendez that ended the fight with a pump shotgun. Wasn't it this that began the 10 mm for the FBI? Of course that was short lived because of the recoil but it was how the .40 cal came to be if I'm not mistaken. our sheriff office always seem to be behine time but we went to semi auto's (sigs) quite a few years before our local PD did (glocks) and at that time our PD was one of the last bigger PD'S in Texas still carrying revolvers, they could carry auto's after probation if they got them on their own and there was only a couple that was approved glock wasn't one of them until the city had to buy them.

be safe
 
I live in a small rual Western Washington town (Yelm) and I was once pulled over for having a headlight out ( of course I was heading to go get it fixed :) ) The officer that pulled me over had a K or L frame revovler in a nylon duty rig. And he appeared to be a fairly young officer as well. I have also seen a few other local PDs with revolvers in the area, scattered amongst the polymer autos.
 
Back on topic, please . . .

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Just a reminder . . .

The OP asked:
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Just curious.

Do any allow them for backup weapons?

What is the advantage of SAs that caused most agencies to switch?

Please explain (if you can) what relevance do the allegations of corrupt, racist, kangaroo LE practices of the 20th Century have with the topic some of us are trying to address/discuss . . . other than to hi-jack the thread, of course!

If that's what you want to discuss, then -fine, well & good . . . but . . .start your own thread elsewhere, please . . . & . . . btw, take your posts with you while you're at it - OK?

Lighten up, Francis. Threads take twists and turns just like verbal conversations, pick out what you consider relevant and ignore the rest.

In my area the only dept that keeps an inventory of revolvers is Maine DOC but they're only issued for inmate transport duty. Of the other depts, those that issue weapons issue semi-autos however, some of them also allow officers to provide their own duty weapons and or do not issue guns at all so the officers must provide their own. I know of one deputy that still carries a Model 19, same gun he's carried for 20+ years.

As far as BUGs, none of the depts here issue them and generally you can carry what you want as long as you can qualify with it.

My municipality does not issue weapons, I have purchased all of mine and my gear. My duty weapon is a Beretta 8000D, my BUG is a custom 9mm S&W 360. I also provide my own shotgun, patrol rifle, and off-duty weapons.
 
HUH?

WC145:
Lighten up, Francis -:confused: . . . pick out what you consider relevant and ignore the rest.

:scrutiny: Not to follow your own advice seems to me to be more than just a little hypocritical . . . but . . . other than for your sarcasm, thanks for at least staying on point . . . :rolleyes:
 
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