Do you ever worry about the evolution of firearms?

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Sometimes I get to thinking that firearms technology will advance so much that shooting just won't be the same. For instance the Metalstorm (I think that's the company) who's guns fire by electrical charge and can fire a huge amount of ammunition is very short time. Does anyone kinda hope that firearms don't get too advanced?
 
What's there really to worry about? You can still buy a Peacemaker all these years later. Even when police will be armed with phaser-like stun weapons, I think you'll still be able to find a 1911 or a good SIG someplace.
 
I really don't think Metalstorm has much application beyond point defense against incoming munitions. There aren't many other situations when you need to empty a magazine in a fraction of a second.

Sure, I worry a bit about technology and firearms; When we fight against things like personalized firearms which will only work for their owner, or propellant taggants, or serial numbers on bullets, the technical infeasiblity of these things greatly bolsters our arguments against schemes which we really oppose for other reasons.

That won't always be the case. Technology WILL make schemes like guns that run a NICS check on their holder before firing feasible. Which will make guns that stop working when the President throws a switch feasible.
 
Well, Brett, that will make our old archaic out-of-date dumb guns all that much more valuable, won't it? ;)
 
The simpler the better, sometimes.

It's why if you walk up to most currently deployed US vehicles, you're likely to find a "Ma Deuce" on it. What's that now, nearly a century old?

It works.
 
Weapon advances arent worth anything if you cant take advantage of them. A disarmed person can still be robbed by at knifepoint, just like in biblical times. Likewise, the invention of phasers isnt going to affect us much if they are too large to concealed carry, if laws prohibit us from carrying them openly or prohibit us from possessing them. We are already seeing this mooting effect thanks to a combination of the 86 ban and concealed carry laws- many of the new advances in military hardware are unpurchasable or impossible to conceal.

Of course, there are enormous strides being made in terms of concealed weapons. What once would have been considered impossibly small for a 25 caliber weapon is now considered normal for a 380. 45 caliber weapons are shrinking down to 9mm size. Etc. I think these trends will continue to advance.
 
Energy density and efficiency is the big holdup.

Metalstorm keeps trying to promote their product as having potential for handguns and rifles. However, the main advantage to Metalstorm is that multiple barrels can be banked calliope fashion giving it's insanely high rates of fire. This is good for fixed mounts like armor, ships, and aircraft, but not people. A grid of these barrels is useless as an individual weapon.

With the 4-6 barrels you can get in a handgun or rifle, you lose that firepower advantage quickly. And the other supposed advantages such as intelligently choosing multiple projectiles, varying the velocity on the fly based on rangefinders etc. is actually quite limited, because one particular ammunition has to be in each barrel, and since the rounds are stacked roman-candle fashion the "wrong" rounds can be in front, and have to be fired first etc.

Also, reloading necessitates all new barrels with the rounds pre-loaded in them each time. That gets bulky fast.

So I don't think Metalstorm is going anywhere in individual weapons.

Energy weapons just aren't that efficient. The amount of energy storage needed to make a laser or other directed energy weapon that could actually stop, kill, or significantly maim a human target, or game animals is HUGE. You have to factor in heat dissipation, energy losses in transformational stages, and that's just the "rifle". Energy dissipation in the air from dust, smoke, or even the initial smoke from the "shot" hitting the target can and will reduce it's efficiency immensely.

And that's not even addressing the challenges of optics and focusing mechanisims robust enough to survive infantry conditions.

If an energy source capable of delivering so much energy to the beam that it overcame all the losses, that "battery" would revolutionize the rest of the world first! They'd be putting these in cars, houses, laptops that run for a month etc.

I think lasers will be seen more and more in air combat, missile defense, anti aircraft roles, or ground attack, where you have a large nearly guaranteed volume of clear air between you and the target.

It's not so much that weapons that use something other than a bullet propelled by gunpowder aren't possible, it's that it will take quantum leaps in materials science and energy storage to make them practical in portable applications. And those same quantum leaps will revolutionize several industries and products beyond recognition, not just "guns".

I think the things that will make "guns obsolete" on the battlefield will be systems that employ autonomous micro-robotics. You already see this trend starting with UAV's, and the first armed Predator drones have already made their kills. The "modern" battlefield might see things like swarms of intelligent crawling land mines, and kamikaze micro-flyers the size of birds or large insects that seek out human targets autonomously and explode.

Think Sony's AIBO dog-robot, but smaller, several generations more advanced, and with a chunk of C4 in it's belly. Now some factory in China is turning them out by the millions. In terms of asymmetrical warfare, the suicide bomber and the IED have shown us the way. This will just take the fallible human out of the equation.

It would be almost impossible for someone armed with a "gun" no matter how advanced it was, to shoot every member of such a swarm. Plus the swarm will communicate with wi-fi like technologies and will deploy itself as an intelligent mass. Only one of these bots needs to get through to kill the soldier, and the soldier has to shoot every last one of them to survive. Those are very bad odds.

Instead, there will be counter-screens of protective robots, and our own swarms of offensive bomb robots. And surely there will then be anti-robot robots to clear away the protective screen and so on…

That's the future of warfare. If a human is to survive even five minutes in such a battlefield, they'll need powered armor.

When a city has millions of these things crawling into it to attack, a nuke might look "humane" in comparison.
 
There's still people who shoot muzzle loaders and others who shoot crossbows ... so new technology won't mean you can't still use the old technology.

I'm more worried that laws will be written to automatically ban any new technology before its created ... for example there are already laws on the books in a couple of states banning "directed energy weapons" ... so Blasters are already illegal before they are even invented. :(
 
I own a gun for one reason - it's the best tool for the job!

If something better comes along I'll trade my gun for it in a blink!
 
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The French came up with a "Metalstorm" type weapon about 100 years ago.

It was a State Secret for a while.

It was also about as useful as the Metalstorm.... :scrutiny:

Which is to say, barely....

Regards,
 
I found my guns in the trees on my property grooming each other. They have just started to walk upright. When the guns evolve language, I will be greatly concerned.

Why? We should be able to persuade them we're their friends and only want the very best for them. :D Of course, then they'll start demanding the premium ammunition and won't take stuff like the Blazers, and who knows how they'll react to handloads...
 
The French came up with a "Metalstorm" type weapon about 100 years ago.

It was a State Secret for a while.

I know the one you mean, it looked like one of those competely shrouded gatlings, or a small artillery piece, but in the front there were 75 fixed barrels in a hexagon, cartridges were loaded by a huge stripper clip-like plate.

Definitely a "solution in search of a problem". I am unsure what it could accomplish that cannister shot could not...
 
A J Dual:

Exactly....

I can't spell the name - "Montigny Millatreuse" or some such....

I think the issues of reloading were about as much trouble as trying to wear a couple of drum magazines for your Thompson....

The Metalstorm has a very high rate of fire - similar to the gatling-styled guns on modern aircraft or those used in the Phalanx missle defense devices on modern warships, and might have a place there. Otherwise it's still just very impressive grapeshot....

Reloading's got to be a bear, too....

I'm not going to label it "Junk Science" as I am often wont to do - there may be a legitimate purpose somewhere out there for that thing that's not silly, but I haven't thought of it yet....

Regards,
 
Firearms looks like it might go the way of paint ball.

When paintball markers first came out they could not shoot real fast and ammo was not cheap. Now we got markers that shoot 20 balls a sec in semi auto and cheaper ammo. Every time i go paintballing most guys are just unloading 2,000 round every hour trying to hit one guy. I guess if you shoot enough paint at some one the wind might blow one off its course to hit someone by chance.

I think guns might go this way, its not how you aim, but how much you can shoot, that will be the selling factor.
 
I do see some possible uses for Metal Storm, aside from point-defense implementations (which would be a very good use IMHO). They are testing a metal storm system that fires volleys of 40mm grenades at thousands of rounds per second, which would be mind-bogglingly devestating especially in urban warfare.

Beyond that I think that caseless ammunition may make a comeback in future weapons, along with smaller, more high-velocity superhard rounds, or possibly even self-propelled recoilless rounds :eek:, but save the star trek stuff for TV, it's not going to replace bullets in our lifetimes.
 
We have guns today that can fire large amounts of ammo in a short period of time, but that doesn't mean we have to shoot like that. ;) But don't fret, when these new space age firearms come out the guns we have today won't magically vanish from existence.
 
Phasers are great, until someone uses an EMP. Then you'll be glad you had your beretta.

And I also worry about more guns coming out that look like glocks... the Jackson Pollock's of the gun world I tell you... functional but UGLY.
 
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