What do you think is the future of firearms?

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As one who takes interest in the history, evolution, and internal operation of firearms, I've been wondering what further technological advancements of firearms can be developed. In my opinion, the firearm is in its most efficient form. Ammunition is the only component that I can see evolving, with caseless ammo rendering metal cartridges obsolete. Does any one want to give some input? I'd be interested in hearing what you all think.
 
Doubt there will be much change for the next 100+ years. Firearms are quite efficient now.

Only real changes may be add-ons to military weaponry like smart guidance systems and perhaps more optics and NODs, but small arms haven't really changed much over the past 70-100 years except for the change to CNC manufacturing and polymer materials.
 
I don't see case less ammunition ever taking the fore before directed energy weapons do.

It simply doesn't offer any real capability over metallic cartridges and has several distinct disadvantages especially outside the gun.

Firearms are where the steam engine was 100years ago and the recripocating aero engine was 65 years ago

They're a perfected technology that will only see minor improvement as material advances take place until the next replacing technology comes along
 
"We are reverting in design and advancing in technology"
I, myself am working on bringing a 5.7x28 carbine based on the Martini Henry/Madsen LMG to the prototype phase this year. Lots of potential was ignored once the industry put on blinders and started producing nearly identical firearms (linearly reciprocating bolt/carrier, which is actually a fairly recent development in firearm design, and hardly the most space-efficient)

"The future will be better, tomorrow" --Dan Quayle

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In my opinion, the firearm is in its most efficient form.

I agree. "Firearms" have reached a design plateau.

Nevertheless, there will be technological progress regarding weaponry. It's inevitable. But it won't necessarily have to do with "firearms." Thinking outside the box, it could involve focussed light energy (lasers), projected electrical energy (lightning bolts), spot projection of heat or cold, spot sound amplification (ultrasound), etc., etc. The only limiting factor is imagination. There are all sorts of theoretical ways to efficiently attack human or animal flesh. Once the applied engineers have a go at it, it's just a matter of time.

What I find interesting is that all the current legislation restricting guns addresses only "firearms." These new types of weapons would be a complete end run around that (until the antigun activists and the legislators got around to targeting them). But it would be much more difficult for the antigunners to enact restrictions on the new weapons than it was for them to pass, say, the NFA of 1934. The gun community is a sleeping tiger that has been awakened.
 
with caseless ammo rendering metal cartridges obsolete.

Not hardly. As R.W. Dale said, there are more drawbacks than advantages with caseless. It's fragile, it's susceptible to moisture, doesn't pull small debris from the chamber as brass does, can have extraction issues if a round is faulty and, most importantly, doesn't offer the heat sink properties of a metallic case; chamber heat was one of the biggest hindrances to caseless rifle success. Interesting concept, but it's still just a novel idea, despite several attempts to make it practical and employ it.

Yes, firearms design matured many, many moons ago. Lighter and stronger materials have allowed the development of lighter and more compact arms, but that's about all that's changed since the 1950s. And that technology, too, has reached the point where the ability to make them any lighter and smaller is irrelevant because they still need to be operated by human hands, which cannot deal with a Bic-lighter sized 9mm pistol that weighs little more than the cartridge it fires.
 
I suspect that the future is going to be directed energy type of armaments. Probably better known as Ray Guns. Don't laugh, we have lazers and tazzers now.
Another question will be this. Will they be defined as arms and will the 2 amendment apply to them.
Just saying, as a small boy I read Buck Rogers comics. This was supposed to be pure fiction. I saw jet planes, rockets, sputniks and man walking on the moon and now people loving in space. Now I firmly believe Star Trek will become true also. Just don't know when.
If you look at it there really isn't a lot of engineer design being done in the firearms industry is there?
 
I might add that these advanced particle-beam (and other) weapons, if and when they came to market, would at first be extremely expensive (on a par with what legal, registered machine guns sell for today). Only governments and wealthy individuals would be able to afford them. Maybe economies of scale would later bring the price down. Sort of like what we're seeing with electric cars. Because of economics, people would prefer the old technology ("firearms") rather than adopting the new technology.
 
Another question will be this. Will they be defined as arms and will the 2 amendment apply to them.

Directed-energy weapons will be covered by the 2nd Amendment (because it broadly addresses "arms"), but they won't be covered by other legislation to the extent it applies to "fIrearms." What we will be looking at will be non-firearm "arms" -- a totally unregulated area (until and unless the legislators decide to regulate it).
 
MHS, new M9 sidearm....

I think we all would need to see the direction or T&Es of the MHS/sidearm selection. If the DoD/services get their way, a new pistol will be fielded in the next 4/5 FYs.
It will not be black, but a Earth tone color that will reflect IR signitures. FDE brown, tan, light green, OD, etc.
It might be in a new pistol caliber but I speculate that the military sidearm will be a .40 or .41 with 10mm type ballistics but necked down-engineered like a .357sig. ;)
The .400Corbon, the .41AE, the .40Super all fit that profile. The .40S&W then later the .357sig drove most other .40 calibers off the map.
The gun will have a 1913 rail & full ambi controls.
 
The average soldier isn't going to be able to use directed energy weapons in the same way as a projectile. The energy requirements are far too high and the source of it too bulky. So far most of the projected experiments are vehicle mounted. Even man packing a small generator doesn't happen in today's combat environment. It's the exact same problem we face with the exoskeleton suits. We can't and don't have a good energy source. What we do is often as much a danger to the operator as the weapon, same as gasoline was to the Sherman tank.

What a directed energy weapon CAN do, tho, is destroy a soldier's vision and make him a casualty on the battlefield instantly. That's exactly the same thing as shining a laser at an airline pilot. We are already restricting and controlling those because of their irresponsible use, and it's already considered a terrorist weapon. It then begs the question how does it fit into the Laws of Land Warfare - if the hollow point bullet is considered unethical because it caused too much maiming in the late 1800's, then how do we ethically accept directed energy weapons that blind or burn? Let's not forget the continuing drama about using napalm or phosphorous - if it burns, then what difference does it make if it's caused by pyrotechnics or light packets?

Because of that international debate and the ongoing misuse of consumer items, I do see that gunpowder powered projectiles can and will make the next step into plastic cased telescoped ammo. One reason is that it's working out - while caseless itself isn't reportedly all that good, even from the HK designers view, plastic cased LSAT ammo and the weapons that use it continue to be funded by the US Gov, with SOCOM involved in testing now. There are enough prototype weapons to equip a battalion of soldiers, rifles and machine guns, for field exercises. That implies blank ammunition may already be on the shelf, too.

A 40% increase in the ammo a soldier can carry, plus no brass casings, means not only a more effective combat force, but also a significant logistics savings not wasting time and effort to salvage brass for resale. And the political advantage for some is that the empty cases don't fall into the "enemy's" hands - American citizens who can reload. :evil: It would be extremely simple to restrict supply to ONLY government users, too. "National Security" could be invoked, which means agents and soldiers wouldn't see the same ammo coming back at them. Many other countries outlaw the use of military issue cartridges, some so much they outlaws any other country's, too.

As long as we have power cables attached to directed energy weapons, and a trailer generating the power, we won't see them in the hands of soldiers. high energy lasers are already problematic from a number of political angles, so that leaves improved cartridges - which haven't radically changed in 100 years.

But, there is another problem. We've already transitioned into the 4th generation of warfare - Low Intensity Conflict, or terrorism. Large scale land warfare isn't much on the table, because of the costs to governments and how much more tightly the world economy is connected. We've moved from large nation states battling each other to small intense groups based on morals and ethics challenging the nation states, and what kind of weapon is now entirely flexible. We fight a running battle with hackers, arsonists, bombers, Mall shooters, etc. YOU and I aren't going to get a directed energy weapon, or for that matter, a new issue caseless rifle to carry around as our PDW shopping in the city. We're going to continue to carry what we know works - a handgun, and keep a rifle an arm's reach away. That's what is really happening in today's world. Upgun to arming rebels who fight a normal war of battlelines and holding territory and things revert to traditional warfare methods, and those proponents can demonstrate some very harsh reductions in their opponents combat effectiveness. It's the inexperienced who don't know better and attempt it.
 
Computerization: heads up displays and adaptable optics with a huge range of app's for personalization,identification, and info management
Think Smart Phone meets ACOG
 
Computerization: heads up displays and adaptable optics with a huge range of app's for personalization,identification, and info management
Think Smart Phone meets ACOG

That kind of thing has been under development for years now. Google "land warrior system".
 
I'm aware of the downsides of caseless ammunition. However, if in the future the failure of the ammo to seal the breach was eliminated, I think it would have some promise. I know that the higher rate of fire brings with it more complex mechanisms, so it may not be worth it.

Maybe a better way of putting it would be that I believe that there will eventually be enhancements in ammunition that will offer advantages over metallic cartriges.
 
Sighting systems will be where we'll see the most improvements in the near term, I think. Also continued improvements in ergonomics and out-of-the-box accuracy.
 
Advances in body armor will defeat all projectiles from man portable firearms. Soldiers in the future will be incased in servo mechanized armor, from a distance, will attack each other with HE rockets and close up, with pole arms, (maces, halberds, etc) such as their ancestors did on medieval battle fields. The combination of powered armored suits and pole weapons will provide the energy transfer necessary to crack the armor shell of an opponent and reach the soft human inside.

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Hey, it could happen!
 
Honestly I don't think we are looking at any real major design shifts in the next....... ummmm....... very long time.

I hope we will see more fixed barrel designs like the Beretta 92fs, and the Desert Eagle, rather than rotating or tipping barrel designs in pistols.. In theory, one could keep the barrel axis quite low I think, especially if it was chambered for something like the FN 5.7. the narrow diameter of the case would mean a lower profile exection port and slide design. I'm thinking of something like Tom Cruise Carried as a side arm in Oblivion.
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In rifles, I think we will continue to see more and more interchangeable caliber designs like the ACR and the like.

Honestly I think the bigg shift is going to come in "Smart Firearm Systems" rather than guns themselves. With all the advances in digital scanning and imaging tech, I think we are about 20 to 30 years from practically applied heads up display head sets. With IR laser technology aiming could litterally look like video games do with a targeting reticle. IR lasers, or impact tracking technology could make military equipment tremendously effective, even for minimally trained individuals.

It sounds impossible, but science fiction seems to me to be a temporary designation only. Sooner or later, it becomes science fact. someone will figure it out.
 
you know - this reminds me of some old hard scifi authors. They postulated a very similar situation. both of the authors I am thinking of took the line that defenses and detection systems would far outstrip projectile advancements and that lasers (more theory at the time) would be easily defeatable with deflection/diffraction technologies. Now that I think about it. one of them pioneered the idea of carbon fiber ablative body armor 50 years before carbon fiber was invented.

So, the direction they went was kind of a reversion. One part was the human evolution - training and genetic manipulation. and the other part went toward reinventing the sword. monofilament weapons. Now take into consideration both authors were Renaissance era so they have that bent. but it was an interesting take. projectile weapons and lasers went the direction of capital scale weapons. more mass effect city and planet killing weapons. while close quarters combat reverted from guns to hand-to-hand.
 
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