Do you feel comforatable with only 8 rounds of .45ACP?

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Carebear,
Yes you remember right..No seconds until everyone has been served..;). I've been training box drills on mulitple assailants. You can fire hammers into each almost as fast as you can shoot singles, then finish with shots to the brainbox after you've fired the last hammer.

Jeff
 
I'm surprised most folks haven't put it this way.

#1 - Find some cover.
In *ANY* situation where you might have to bust caps, you TAKE COVER FIRST - this ensures that if the goblins have a piece, you chances of eating some lead are reduced drastically.
(You *hearing* me, Revdisk?!)

#2 - Plot your bailout route.
Make sure you know which direction, and how you plan to "tactically disengage" aka run AWAY like you have some sense, once you have forestalled immediate pursuit.

It's not your ammo capacity, it's your situational awareness, tactical doctrine, and training that's gonna save your tail in a situation like that.

-K
 
For as little as I can ever carry, I feel fine with 8+1 of .45, and usually I kep a spare mag of 8 on me.

However in these situations, Norton is rarely more than 50 yards away with his USP 9 and two full 15 round mags.


It'll get us to the long guns.
 
You can fire hammers into each almost as fast as you can shoot singles, then finish with shots to the brainbox after you've fired the last hammer.
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+1. I've got to work on that with my new Warrior. You're a corrupting influence, Jeff. ;)
 
I feel more than comfortable with my six rounds of .357 in my 3" k frame.

If you haven't read it, you should read Massad Ayoob's book In the Gravest Extreme. One of the things he points out is that when you make a decision to arm yourself, you have the responsibility to avoid situations that may lead use of the weapon, even if it means swallowing your pride. Just because you're armed, you shouldn't intentionally walk down the darkest alley in town.

In the situation you decribed the best option would have been to find another parking space for the night.
 
Hammers? I think I've heard the term before but what do you mean? Double-taps?
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A hammer is two rounds fired for one sight picture.
A controlled pair is two rounds fired with time taken to get a sight picture for the second round.

I don't specifically recall what double-tap was meant to refer to originally, but I believe it referred to a hammer.
 
Hmm ... If I can't feel comfortable with only eight rounds of .45 in my own parking garage, it's probably time to move. Either that, or mount an M-60 on my truck. Of course, our personal economic situation often dictates residence location, but really, if one lives in an area where one has to be fearful, on a daily basis of threats in the immediate vicinity of one's residence ... it probably doesn't make a lot of difference what particular handgun or caliber is carried; as others have said, training and mindset would be the key.
 
A handgun in general makes me uncomfortable in a defensive situation. Even a $3000 custom 1911 is not as superior a fighting tool as a $200 Mossberg 12ga or a $300 Romanian AK clone loaded with cheap ball although the handgun can be there when the long gun can't.
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#1 - Find some cover.
In *ANY* situation where you might have to bust caps, you TAKE COVER FIRST - this ensures that if the goblins have a piece, you chances of eating some lead are reduced drastically.
(You *hearing* me, Revdisk?!)
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Cover? What's that? Oh yea! That's when you hide behind something to load another belt, right?

Some of us subscribe to the "Accuracy" theory. One shot, one kill. etc etc. Others subscribe to the "Lead Cloud" theory. One kill, with a minimum of six holes.


#2 - Plot your bailout route.
Make sure you know which direction, and how you plan to "tactically disengage" aka run AWAY like you have some sense, once you have forestalled immediate pursuit.
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Bailout route? Uhm, nope. Don't need one of those. You just need to drive that all-terrain forklift with my ammo supply a little faster, Khaotic.


(Seriously, IRL, seeking cover and bailing out at the first safe chance is the best option.)
 
It just made me wish I was carrying something with higher capacity.
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And you were driving what? A four wheeled licensed, registered, insured, lethal device that is capable of injuring and/or kills how many people each year?
I'd say 8 rounds in a SIG220 and a fully operational tactical automobile... good to go.
Parking it and getting out? Sounds kinda scary. :D
Eye contact, a quick smile, nod of the head and "Gentlemen" by way of greeting and just go on home... which is what it sounds like you did in a manner of speaking.
 
You can carry 8 rounds of .45 if it makes you comfortable.

I carry more of 9mm or .40 because it makes me comfortable. No one says I have to expend the entire magazine.

Better to have and not need, then to need and not have.

hence ending the argument with the one, uncontested prrof that 9mm is better than .45 ;)
 
My primary weapon has unlimited relaods: my melon! Drive on & leave the BGs in your dust. Perhaps a 911 call for loiterers.

Avoiding the situation is a valid solution.

As far as 8+1, it doesn't bother me (actually 8+1 plus an 8 rnd reload). I shoot my SW1911 better than any other pistol I have ever tried.
 
Does anyone have data?

I read one of Lott's books last year and IIRC, displaying a firearm ended the majority of reported confrontations and that few shots were fired in the remainder. Note, I'm not talking about LEO involved shootings.

If anyone has hard numbers I would appreciate seeing them.
 
I'm surprised that no one has said this,so I will.Let's say you end up in a situation where you have no choice but to open fire,so you put 2 into the closest ones chest,caliber is not a factor.One of two things will then happen.Either they're all going to bail as fast as they can,or one or more will try to return fire.Your objective,once the firing begins,should be to use the "shock value" of seeing one of their own go down,to get the hell out of there,just in case you really are seriously outgunned.Yes,I'm aware of some states' "no retreat" laws,but I said your "objective",NOT your "obligation".Just because the state you live in says you're not "obligated" to retreat,doesn't mean it's not the best idea.Call the PD ASAP,and let them deal with it from that point,that's what they are trained and paid to do.I'm amazed by the number of posters that want to go in like Rambo and "take them all out".If I'm in that position,all I want is to get out while still breathing without medical assistance(paramedic,etc.).Beyond that,I'll let the law take over.BUT-I don't think I'd assume the gangsters mean me any harm,they'd most likely just want me to leave as bad as I'd want to,their beef was with the guy in the car,not me...
 
I'd better, considering I live in California where max capacity are 10 round mags anyway, so I've learned to make each shot count. ;)
 
Hate to break it to you guys, but if you are attacked by six men, already at close range, then it doesn't matter if you have 8 or 15 or 30, because you aren't going to be alive long enough to use them all anyway.
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Hehe! Well Correia, you know what they say. It's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game. Me? I'd slidelock and then try to beat the remainder to death with the 1911. Doesn't matter technically how many I would take with me, so long as I did everything possible to take as many with me as possible.

Why? It's a religious thing. I want a good spot in Valhalla!

:neener:
 
Why anyone who would go to the trouble of carrying 2 pounds of steel on their hip and not also carry a spare mag is beyond me.

The mag is one of the most failure prone parts of an autopistol not to mention the ability to carry another 7 or 8 rounds
 
Better to have and not need, then to need and not have.

hence ending the argument with the one, uncontested prrof that 9mm is better than .45
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Sorry. You could just as easily say it's better to have a .45 and not need it, then need a .45 and not have it.

Let the argument rage on. :neener:
 
I read an article once where a Vietnam Veteran and a Veteran LEO were interviewed concerning what their ideal handgun would be.

The Vietnam Veteran, who did three Infantry tours in Vietnam, said that his ideal handgun would be any handgun he could get with a 100 round magazine :).

The Veteran LEO, a survivor of several gunfights, asked if they made a handgun chambered for the .50 BMG :).

So as far as capacity goes, different strokes for different folks. I would feel fine with 8 rounds of .45 ACP, as long as backup loaded magazines were close by.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
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Sorry. You could just as easily say it's better to have a .45 and not need it, then need a .45 and not have it.

Let the argument rage on.
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Assuming you can get a .45 handgun with the same capacity as a 9mm.
Go ahead and look. Ill wait.

9mm has been in use for a long time and for good reason. It works.

You'll notice that .45 was summarily ditched by our own military for...what was it...9mm I believe.
15 rounds of 9mm make more space than 8 of .45.
 
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