Do you have a plan to overthrow the government?

[JBusch8899]

Its a strange question.

Excluding the opinions of conspiracy nutcases, doomsday sayers and anarchists, would it surprise you to know the government has a plan to deny guaranteed rights under the Constitution to the entire populace?

It usually happens by attrition and is allowed by the apathy of an American people. Slowly and consistently rights are narrowly whittled and shaved by legislative, administrative, judicial and executive action and inaction under the guise of the color of law.

Blatant violations such as the confiscations in New Orleans or of a particular class or group of people are a bit harder to ignore. These incidents usually inspire legislation to prevent future occurrences, though these laws are always broken with ease by those who care not for the law.

U.S. Ninth Circuit Judge Alex Kozinski pointedly observed in the recent case of Silveira v. Lockyer: The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed — where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.

Now getting back to the thread title: The overthrow of the government.

It seems apparent that the farmers, businessmen, lawyers, doctors and soldiers who created this country had such a distrust of the government, that they allocated for the overthrow of this government by any means needed if circumstances warranted.

Remember that we are talking of the government, not the country. Even elected officials taking the oath of their office do not take an oath to uphold the government of the United States, but uphold the Constitution.

Intent and lawfulness established, most of the citizen militia does not have a plan. To be honest, given the fact that I have a modest number of firearms with an adequate amount of ammunition, along with food and water to provide for my family for an extended period of time; I'm not sure if I have a sufficient plan of action to provide the execution if I am called upon to reestablish the Republic and the ideals that it is founded upon.

So put up or shut up, I'm looking for suggestions and comments.

Thanks for your help.

 

[steveracer]

I'm not legally allowed to respond.

BUT,
I think The People have the ability, but have lost the WILL to do such deeds. People seem content to get shafted these days.

 

[Ferrari308]

I'm not legally allowed to respond.

Why can't you respond?

My 2 cents - I belive if things get bad enough, people will start paying attention to who they vote for. Right now, I view elections like a marketing contest. We don't really get to know the views of the candidates, we get a dummied down "spinned" response that was writen by a campaign manager who did studies to see what people reacted best to.

There is no easy solution. Someone might think to get rid of advertising, but others will say that violates the first amendment rights of the candidates.

I don't know what the solution is. What I trully dislike is how small minority groups get so much influence because they are organized better and donate large sums of money. Even if 90% of the people are against an issue, but the 10% mobalize and contribute money, the politician will remember who butters his bread. That's the problem in my opinion.

 

[steveracer]

I'm active duty.

And I'm at my desk. And this is monitored.

 

[meef]

Yep, I have a plan to overthrow the government. And the very first phase of that plan includes posting everything about it on a public bulletin board.

After doing that, I'm going to write every government enforcement agency with letters for a name and also describe my plan to them.

And for icing on the cake, I'm going to buy a whole pack of pit bulls and allow them to run off leash through my neighborhood.



geez......

 

[American By Blood]

I belive if things get bad enough, people will start paying attention to who they vote for.

I wish I could agree, but there's no precedent to base that thought on. Things have been getting steadily worse over time and the electorate has only grown more blindly partisan and the general populace more apathetic. All the while the media bosses have selfishly encouraged both of these tendencies. Americans have gleefully voted themselves into the mess we're in now and will likely continue to do so for the sake of tolerance, security, diversity, and (wait for it...) the children.

The future will not be decided democratically. It will either be shaped by media bosses and their hired goons or by politically incorrect men with rifles and will.

 

[Ferrari308]

I wish I could agree, but there's no precedent to base that thought on. Things have been getting steadily worse over time and the electorate has only grown more blindly partisan and the general populace more apathetic. All the while the media bosses have selfishly encouraged both of these tendencies. Americans have gleefully voted themselves into the mess we're in now and will likely continue to do so for the sake of tolerance, security, diversity, and (wait for it...) the children.

The future will not be decided democratically. It will either be shaped by media bosses and their hired goons or by politically incorrect men with rifles and will.

I'll say this much, the Democrats are making one very bad mistake. They view illegal immigrants as a source of votes once they pass an immigration bill. I think this is unhealthy for our nation. A political party is doing what they believe will help themselves, and not our nation. I don't know how allowing 12 million illegal immigrants instant citizenship will help fix anything. I'm pro immigration, but I am against illegal immigration. I still have family in europe waiting for the papers, which takes years, while some just illegaly cross the border without thinking about it twice. How many people in other countries can't legally immigrate because the USA is flooded with illegal immigrants? What will such a large mexican population in the USA do? Will spanish become the primary language in the south west?

 

[ORAG]

What to Fear

I think the biggest thing to fear is not the Government, but the people that don't care what the Government does. That young group of people out there that don't vote, don't pay attention to what is happening and has a general "who cares" attitude. Most of our elections are settled by less than 50% of the elligible voters.
I do what I do in an ordinary bland manner and I vote to make changes when I think change is needed. Either way, I vote.

 

[redneck2]

I suspect posts like this are done with all good intent, but are pretty much meaningless. With the intelligence community today, you'd last about 2 minutes.

It's pretty easy to be brave sitting at a computer screen with a cup of coffee in a warm house. Crawl thru the mud with an M-16 with bullets whizzing around you and mortars going off and see how brave you are.

If you really want to make a difference, get involved in your political party instead of whining and thumping your chest about anarchy. When's the last time your gave money to a political compaign?? When's the last time you volunteered for a phone bank?

Last year my congressman was at the sporting clays range shooting with us to raise money. He's super 2A. The libs have him targeted BIG time 'cause he's one of us right down the line. If you REALLY want to do something, send some $$$ to Chocola for Congress

 

[BSlacker]

Yes, I have an evil plan to overthrow the goverment. All my regular plans to overthrow the gov fell by the wayside so I am trying an evil plan now.
Let me check. Yes, its not working either, oh well back to the regular planning again.
The planning just never stops.

 

[Baba Louie]

In Nov of 94 I participated in a big change in American govt, as did many here I believe. In October of that year the Democrat Parties AWB was signed into law by BJ Clinton. One month later the D's were voted OUT of the majority in BOTH Houses...

Something needed to be done. Something WAS done. That's HOW it IS done.

Should someone or some group actually commit a coup d'etat what will they put up in it's stead? Who? Why them? How do we KNOW they will be better? Look at the history of revolutions world-wide. America was lucky in that we had GOOD MEN leading and plenty of land to usurp from the natives, the majority of whom were wiped out within 100 years if I recall. In France, the killing continued on, their revolution devolving until a short corporal from an outlying island took over as Emporer and brought the nation down to her knees to be raped 3 times in the next century.

Be careful what you wish for... as the saying goes. The first ones typically lined up and shot after the revolution are those who particpated in the overthrow.

When the question of illegal government activity becomes SO big, SO threatening that we all KNOW and SEE it as a negative to the ENTIRE country, which blatantly violates every Constitutional criteria, I'm sure something WILL be done. It will take a large group of educated men and women dedicated to the Constitution to freedom and liberty, of high moral character, who are actually willing to put their lives on the line, who are willing to group together as a Political Party and challenge the incumbant D's & R's at the ballot box, WITH the media, the people AND Big Business on their side. A huge challenge but one that can be done, G-d willing. It begins with our children, who are primarily more concerned with video games (bread and circuses) indoors than reading, learning and performing hard work daily.

Far better to work within the system. Far, far better to maintain the high moral ground. Far better to unify the populace as one, against an actual, real outside adversary and work towards a common goal. As Citizens of the American Republic basing their actions on a 240 year old document. Not as a New World Order/United Nations/Multi-Cultural Society well-fed lap dog safely ensconced in a gilded cage or even as gun-toting freedom fighters (commonly know as terrorists nowadays), but as a unifed political group.

Won't happen in a land where the American Idol is a TV show instead of a John Hancock.

But whaddaIknow?

 

[BIGJACK]

Yea! Way to do it is to educate the masses and vote their sorry asses out. Change their retirement plan to Social Security and most of um will fall out on their own.

 

[Technosavant]

The United States has regularly scheduled insurrections, complete with removal of old governmental officials and installation of new ones.

We call them elections. I vote in them, and I try to convince others to vote for freedom, so that those who would try to take our freedom under the color of law are unemployed at the earliest possible convenience.

As long as elections still occur, and are free and unmolested (no fear of reprisal for your vote), and those who lose the election give up their positions peacefully, I see no need of any other kind of governmental removal. Our system of elections works- the people do get the kind of government they wish, even if it is not always to your or my specific liking.

 

[spartacus2002]

sharks with laser beams on their heads

 

[lionking]

Im a bit perplexed about this post and the title.If it is meant by legal means then by voting and being informed as much as I can be.If it was meant for any other purposes then not too wise to post such things on a public forum.
This country has its problems,different citizens will have their personal opinions on how deep those problems run but this country is still the best thing going liberty wise and is a far cry from being at the point to cry revolution! from any other means then legal and peaceful.
We the people still run this country for better or worse,true though that some politicians seem out of touch from the Bill of Rights but we are still far away (for now) from being at a point of desperation.
Revolutions usually implode ,the American revolution was a rare instance when one did not thanks to certain leaders wisdom and choice to not be tyrants, like Washington.Thanks to their wisdom for creating the Constitution,Bill of Rights and wording the Declaration of Independence the way they did.I fight for that,with persuasion and at the ballot box.
Funny that as I post this the history channel is showing history of the gun,I hope for more public education of the Bill of Rights to avoid the use of guns that some future episode on tv might be called "guns of the 2nd American revolution"

 

[JohnBT]

"Do you have a plan to overthrow the government?"

I didn't even read the rest of your post. Do you really expect serious answers?

John

 

[sacp81170a]

So put up or shut up, I'm looking for suggestions and comments.

Nice try, Agent Shmuckatelli. I won't be posting my sooper sekrit plans on a public forum.

 

[TallPine]

no, i'm just working on it in a totally random fashion

 

[1911 guy]

Yep.

You see, when I eat Cheese Nips, I become telepathic and can use mind control. I'm going to hack into Nabisco's web site and have them deliver ten boxes of nips to my house every day. That way I can rule the world from the comfort of my living room. I'm using my mind control now to make you forget the evil genius of my plot. Don't want anyone to beat me to it, you know.

 

[Pilgrim]

From what I have seen, the elected government is doing a pretty good job of overthrowing themselves. When taxes start dramatically climbing and welfare benefits are drastically cut to balance the budget, they will be toast.

Pilgrim

 

[DWARREN123]

No, but I may legally change it!

 

[atlctyslkr]

I had one but the harddrive I kept it on crashed so I'm going to have to start over.

 

[Devonai]

I really like being able to fill out a 4473 without lying, so I'm not going to... wait...

Spartacus, how could you? How am I going to find another hiding place for all these things?

 

[Just Jim]

Governments self destruct, it is just a matter of time. Be it changeing to far right or far left or opening immigration without adjusting to values. They destroy themselves because they can't think far enough ahead as to what they are doing today. Makes no difference though as you should enjoy what life you were given.

jj

 

[Bigjake]

ill tempered yellow perch with friggin laser beams on their heads. sharks and sea bass won't cut it in lake erie....