orienteeer
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thanks to all for your input. apologies are hereby offered for the carry gun/car gun confusion, & my over-reaction earlier.
do you leave your carry pistol locked in the car???
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Guillermo
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No worries
JPG19
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Mine goes everywhere with me, except government buildings, the hospital, or friends/acquaintances, etc...Arkansas law requires me to notify the property owner that I am carrying.
JPG19
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Ala Dan - are you saying that I can enter a police station and hand over my weapon to be kept in a safe box? If so, ya sure do learn something every day!
Bullnettles
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I never leave mine in the car, because of thieves. My close friend did not listen to me, and his RIA 1911 got stolen from his car a few months back. Two weeks ago he had two officers show up at his door asking where was his gun. Luckily, he still had a copy of the police report (had never even been filed) and they said he wasn't the right race anyway. Someone had used his gun to rob a bank. He's getting it back because the robber left it on the counter, but the other guy shoot at an officer with a different gun. He's getting it back once everything is processed, but he's learned his lesson.
practicaltactical
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When I have to leave it (very seldom) it just goes into the center console. My carry gun(s) are tools and while reliable are not prized possessions. I have insurance for a reason.
easyg
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Know your local laws...
Here in NC it is illegal to carry concealed in any place where one can both buy and consume alcohol.
This means CC is prohibited in any restaurant that serves alcohol.
Steakhouse, country club, pizza place, club, lounge, whatever...if they serve alcoholic beverages then you can't CC in those places.
Also in NC you can't CC in any place where one must pay for admission.
This means no CC in movie theaters, non free concerts, non free museums and exhibits, the zoo, amusement parks, golf courses, non free seminars, etc...
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David E
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A gun is a deadly weapon, not a stereo.
While I understand that if a thief uses my stolen gun to kill someone, it's still the thief's fault.....but it's the "my gun" part that will bother me for life.
Don't know of any insurance that'll cover that.
Double Naught Spy
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So since you won't leave a gun in your car and now since your buddy has learned your lesson, he doesn't either. So if y'all won't leave a gun in the car, where do you put your carry gun when you have to be some place that doesn't allow you to carry it? I take it that if you have to go to such place, then you don't carry a gun at all. So basically, that means that you are putting the safety and security of your guns ahead of the safety and security of yourselves.
Interesting lesson you teach your friends.
I would like to point out that antigun folks promoted business and institution bans (the movies, churches, hospitals, malls, etc.) to make it difficult to carry. If you didn't want to leave a gun in the car - then you didn't have one at all for most of the day.
So, if one has to go to a medical building in TX that has a 30.06 sign in the afternoon, you just decide not to have a gun for the entire day.
So, if one has to go to a medical building in TX that has a 30.06 sign in the afternoon, you just decide not to have a gun for the entire day.
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That's quite a leap.
You can avoid such places, use the trunk, use a secured lock box, use a secured lock box in the trunk, create a secret compartment, unload the gun, disable the gun, or.....
Any of which is better than merely placing it in the center console or glovebox.
Guillermo
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David E makes a good point which I have thought about.
I determined that the chances of a gun being stolen out of the car is remote enough that I can live with the chances.
It is better for me to carry when I can and when I can't, lock it in the car. If the car is broken into when my carry gun is there, I lost a gun. Better that than me going around unarmed every time I have to go to a place where I can't carry.
I determined that the chances of a gun being stolen out of the car is remote enough that I can live with the chances.
It is better for me to carry when I can and when I can't, lock it in the car. If the car is broken into when my carry gun is there, I lost a gun. Better that than me going around unarmed every time I have to go to a place where I can't carry.
practicaltactical
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@David E
I understand that, but it's not like i left my dangerous weapon laying in my front yard. My gun is no more dangerous than my vehicle.
I understand that, but it's not like i left my dangerous weapon laying in my front yard. My gun is no more dangerous than my vehicle.
practicaltactical
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Just to clarify, my vehicle is locked after all (with alarm) and my firearm is out of view. More secure than most homes I would guess.
I do my best to never leave anything valuable inside an unattended vehicle. I am blessed to carry for official purposes, which means I can carry into most gun-free zones. (A mixed blessing; as a public servant, I give up some degree of some freedoms, but do get to carry more places than a private citizen.) My Jeep has a quite sturdy Tuffy Products lock-box, and my car has a lock-out feature for the remote trunk release, for the times I must leave valuables inside the vehicles.
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Double Naught Spy
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Its not a leap at all. If folks carry for their safety and security but won't lock their gun in their car because they are afraid it will get stolen, then they have to go without a gun for the day with means their safety and security is at risk. That is putting the safety and security of the gun ahead of the the person.
The logic of not leaving a gun in the car is because it might get stolen reminds me of the folks who insist on carrying cheap guns because they don't want to lose a good gun to the cops if they are involved in a SD shooting.
No doubt, but they are still inside the car where so folks say they would never leave a gun.
Seems to defeat the concept of concealment... Is it criminal to "forget" to tell them, or can they just ask you to leave?
jimherb
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Is the car safe?
Here in Puget Sound, the most common crime is breaking into cars. The second most common crime is stealing cars. I don't feel it is safe to leave a gun in the car. Sure, we can harden our security so the gun is relatively safe in a break-in--but what if somone steals the car itself? I feel the gun is safest when it is on my person,
Here in Puget Sound, the most common crime is breaking into cars. The second most common crime is stealing cars. I don't feel it is safe to leave a gun in the car. Sure, we can harden our security so the gun is relatively safe in a break-in--but what if somone steals the car itself? I feel the gun is safest when it is on my person,
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Just a couple of years ago, one could buy a police positive, official police, detective special, cobra and/or agent that were holster worn or "finished challenged" for $200 to 300 but functioned fine. All of my vehicles have one of these hidden or locked in the vehicle at all times. They have a finish protection applied and get shot and cleaned once a year. I also sometimes have a carry gun depending on where I go that has to be left in the car if I go into work or federal places and locked in the glove box for the short time had worked. I live in a good neiborhood and only the wife knows I have a gun and she doesn't disclose I do. This has been for the last 12 years I have done this with no issues.
Just a couple of years ago, one could buy a police positive, official police, detective special, cobra and/or agent that were holster worn or "finished challenged" for $200 to 300 but functioned fine. All of my vehicles have one of these hidden or locked in the vehicle at all times. They have a finish protection applied and get shot and cleaned once a year. I also sometimes have a carry gun depending on where I go that has to be left in the car if I go into work or federal places and locked in the glove box for the short time had worked. I live in a good neiborhood and only the wife knows I have a gun and she doesn't disclose I do. This has been for the last 12 years I have done this with no issues.
Bullnettles
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Sorry DNS, I don't want to arm thieves. I rarely go anywhere that stops me from carrying, but I do lock it in my car out of sight if I have to run in to somewhere quickly. However, I failed to mention he left the gun in the car overnight, which is what I warned him about. My pet peeve is leaving it in the car at all times.
My daughter went to college in St. Louis. Her car was broken into several times while there. The investigating police said several times, "Oh, you are from Tennessee, they were looking for your gun". She does not carry or have a permit.
The point folks are making is a car is not a safe place to store an unsecured firearm.
Of course, a house is not either for that matter.
I think I'd worry less about the gun than the car.
The handgun is there to protect you. You don't need to protect it, other than to prevent access by minors.
I have a "truck gun," because I don't CCW religiously. If this particular gun were stolen out of my car, I'd feel worse about my broken window than the gun... but then I have the luxury of owning a few handguns I don't particularly like.
I know the serial number. I'd report it to the police and leave it at that.This does remind me of a story I read on the internet. Details may be wrong, but basically Guy goes to the Caribbean islands on vacation and rents a car. Recognizes it's HIS car that was stolen some months earlier in Florida. Reaches under the dashboard where he stowed a handgun, and it was still there.
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Snaps
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if it's my carry gun, it's being carried.
I too have to enter people's homes for work as well as go down town to pull permits at the courthouse. Like others, I keep mine locked in a Nano vault cable locked to my seat frame and hidden under some towels on the floorboard. I leave it in there overnight from time to time. If I forget to reholster it, I might just leave it locked up. It COULD get stolen, but it's pretty safe and out of eyesight.
I don't think I would ever just leave a gun out in the open with only a window keeping it out of someone else's hands. At least locked in my box it is going to require a cable cutter and some hammer and screwdriver time to get to it. Also, if I forget to lock my truck doors I feel better about keeping it out a kid's hands.
I don't think I would ever just leave a gun out in the open with only a window keeping it out of someone else's hands. At least locked in my box it is going to require a cable cutter and some hammer and screwdriver time to get to it. Also, if I forget to lock my truck doors I feel better about keeping it out a kid's hands.
Guillermo
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I can think of twice in the last week that I had to leave the gun in the car.
Went to meet a client in a "51%" location (in Texas you cannot carry in a place that get 51% or more of it's income from alcohol sales, thereby defining it as a bar)
Went to go see some friends new baby at the hospital. (had the proper signage to prohibit carry)
What if I wanted to run around Town Lake? Get a massage? Go to a school graduation? A sporting event?
Perhaps it is the uniqueness of the Texas concealed carry laws, but I don't see how one can avoid locking your gun in the car on occasion. Or leaving it at home for the whole trip.
The latter seems like a bad choice.
Went to meet a client in a "51%" location (in Texas you cannot carry in a place that get 51% or more of it's income from alcohol sales, thereby defining it as a bar)
Went to go see some friends new baby at the hospital. (had the proper signage to prohibit carry)
What if I wanted to run around Town Lake? Get a massage? Go to a school graduation? A sporting event?
Perhaps it is the uniqueness of the Texas concealed carry laws, but I don't see how one can avoid locking your gun in the car on occasion. Or leaving it at home for the whole trip.
The latter seems like a bad choice.
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