Stasher1
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When/if I need to use my carry weapon to defend myself (or others), I just want to draw, point, and squeeze.
Do you prefer a Concealed Carry handgun WITH or WITHOUT a manual safety?
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When/if I need to use my carry weapon to defend myself (or others), I just want to draw, point, and squeeze.
thefamcnaj
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I prefer with out because I started shooting with glocks, and just kind of stuck with the poly guns. I've taken all my classes with poly guns, and just feel more comfortable without one. In a high stress situation that could potentially involve me proctecting my wife and kids, I want to be able to draw and shoot. I'm so conditioned to not having a saftey that should I need to draw my weapon, I have no instinct to flick off a saftey.
I have some 1911's and my wife bought me a sr40c which all of coarse have a manual saftey but I would never carry any of those guns.
I'm sure how ever if my first gun would have been an m&p with a saftey or a sr40c etc... that I'd feel right the opposite.
I have some 1911's and my wife bought me a sr40c which all of coarse have a manual saftey but I would never carry any of those guns.
I'm sure how ever if my first gun would have been an m&p with a saftey or a sr40c etc... that I'd feel right the opposite.
Motownfire
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Add another to the NO MANUAL SAFETY column for me. I do not carry a gun that has a manual safety and will not.
allaroundhunter
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Because not all semis have a 10 lb first pull. I would not carry a revolver with the hammer cocked even if it was in a holster.
I don't like anything getting in the way of me putting rounds on target as quick as possible. When I carried an M9A1 in the service, I carried with one in the chamber, decocked with safety off (don't tell Sgt Maj!) All that being said, because I have been extensively trained on MANY weapon platforms, I generally sweep for a thumbsafety on every pistol as an autuomatic function. That way I don't miss one on a 1911 and it doesn't hurt anything on a Glock, etc...
jfrey
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Some days I carry a 1911 or Hi-Power and some days I carry a Glock, so where is the third choice "I don't care"?
RBid
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I like:
No manual safety
DAO trigger
Hammer or striker indicator
No manual safety
DAO trigger
Hammer or striker indicator
25cschaefer
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My HK USP 40c V7 (DA/SA w/ decocker) is just as safe as any double action revolver.
ApacheCoTodd
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I figure all the gunfighters and quick-draws will pooh-pooh me but there wasn't an option for me to click as I don't have a round in the chamber on my CCW semis.
Yeah, yeah, I understand I may molder in an early grave for that 1 1/4 seconds it takes me to jack a round or that my eternal reward might be hastened in some devilish scenario where I'm holding a baby or pulling a taped-to-my-back pistol like John McClane in order to dispatch some nefarious narco-terrorist in a one on one, quick or dead play.
Still, I'm not chambering a round till I need the round so the safety issue is moot for me and that's where I'm going with this. As it stand, for the CCs I use, my revolvers matter not and one auto is an AMT .45 Back Up (no safety) while the other is a 1911 that I might as well remove the safety from considering how little it (the safety) gets used.
So, to directly answer: neither option works for me as I won't use it but it won't keep me from carrying either.
Yeah, yeah, I understand I may molder in an early grave for that 1 1/4 seconds it takes me to jack a round or that my eternal reward might be hastened in some devilish scenario where I'm holding a baby or pulling a taped-to-my-back pistol like John McClane in order to dispatch some nefarious narco-terrorist in a one on one, quick or dead play.
Still, I'm not chambering a round till I need the round so the safety issue is moot for me and that's where I'm going with this. As it stand, for the CCs I use, my revolvers matter not and one auto is an AMT .45 Back Up (no safety) while the other is a 1911 that I might as well remove the safety from considering how little it (the safety) gets used.
So, to directly answer: neither option works for me as I won't use it but it won't keep me from carrying either.
Bohemus
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I carry both, and dont really care, maybe if the plecement of safety was awkward... but it isnt (GP K100 and Ruger LCP)
dondavis3
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I prefer having the safety.
If I decide that it's safe to carry in the "off" mode.
I carry it that way.
Either way, you need to be consistent in how you carry it and practice.
If I decide that it's safe to carry in the "off" mode.
I carry it that way.
Either way, you need to be consistent in how you carry it and practice.
Yes, I like a safety as long as it is a proper flip down safety. I don't like the flip up safety on my service 92FS so I carry it in the fire position. The long double action is safe enough, but I would carry it in safe if the safety was to be operated the other way around.
7mmsavage
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No manual safety for me either.
In my carry gun, Glock 27, or my keep in the bedroom safe gun, Glock 22. And no I'm not a Glock snob, I'd be happy with any similar operting platform, both roles were filled by Keltecs for some time. I also carry/keep them both the same, empty chamber, trigger in the fired position.
I have owned other pistols with manual safeties, and SA DA triggers and just feel what I do now is the simplest, safest way for ME to handle MY handguns. This is also how I handle my guns at the range, so its always the same motions, draw, rack, point, shoot. I know the pros vs cons of the way I do it, and have decided it's what works for me.
In my carry gun, Glock 27, or my keep in the bedroom safe gun, Glock 22. And no I'm not a Glock snob, I'd be happy with any similar operting platform, both roles were filled by Keltecs for some time. I also carry/keep them both the same, empty chamber, trigger in the fired position.
I have owned other pistols with manual safeties, and SA DA triggers and just feel what I do now is the simplest, safest way for ME to handle MY handguns. This is also how I handle my guns at the range, so its always the same motions, draw, rack, point, shoot. I know the pros vs cons of the way I do it, and have decided it's what works for me.
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StrikeFire83
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Glad this poll is getting so much mileage.
Looks like Without a manual safety is winning, but not as much as I thought it would.
Looks like Without a manual safety is winning, but not as much as I thought it would.
klash545
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safeties can get you killed,murphys law and all that
Put me in the no manual safety camp. If a gun has a trigger too light to carry without a safety, I think it's too light for CCW - for me.
Manual safeties that go down for fire can easily be swiped off during the presentation, true. They can also be swiped off during the draw or even inadvertently swiped off while acquiring your grip (google Tex Grebner), which basically forfeits almost any ability to prevent an ND. This is the reason I wouldn't carry a firearm with a light trigger, just because it has a safety. If you're carrying in a holster, this type of manual safety is little more than a reholstering aid. I don't plan to reholster in a hurry. If I need to discard my CCW in a hurry, it'll be because it's empty.
Also, depending how you grip the gun, it's possible to accidentally flip a frame mounted safety to safe. When I'm done messing with the safety, I'd rather it be nowhere near where I can accidentally hit it while shooting.
So if it does have a safety, I prefer the spring-loaded slide-mounted safety of the Beretta/Stoeger Cougar. It's almost impossible to accidentally trip while acquiring your grip. It's more a matter of gripping first, then once you have a good grip (and only if), the safety can be flipped off quite fast, during presentation. Not easy to trip during the draw.The spring-loaded part also makes it very difficult to accidentally put on safe and impossible to put to a position halfway between safe and fire. It's quite a nice safety. I feel like the safeties on all my other handguns are vastly inferior. Ironically, I gave away the Cougar for other reasons. As someone who doesn't like manual safeties on a handgun, I sorta miss that aspect of the Cougar. Everything about it was perfect - placement, lever shape, feel, etc.
Manual safeties that go down for fire can easily be swiped off during the presentation, true. They can also be swiped off during the draw or even inadvertently swiped off while acquiring your grip (google Tex Grebner), which basically forfeits almost any ability to prevent an ND. This is the reason I wouldn't carry a firearm with a light trigger, just because it has a safety. If you're carrying in a holster, this type of manual safety is little more than a reholstering aid. I don't plan to reholster in a hurry. If I need to discard my CCW in a hurry, it'll be because it's empty.
Also, depending how you grip the gun, it's possible to accidentally flip a frame mounted safety to safe. When I'm done messing with the safety, I'd rather it be nowhere near where I can accidentally hit it while shooting.
So if it does have a safety, I prefer the spring-loaded slide-mounted safety of the Beretta/Stoeger Cougar. It's almost impossible to accidentally trip while acquiring your grip. It's more a matter of gripping first, then once you have a good grip (and only if), the safety can be flipped off quite fast, during presentation. Not easy to trip during the draw.The spring-loaded part also makes it very difficult to accidentally put on safe and impossible to put to a position halfway between safe and fire. It's quite a nice safety. I feel like the safeties on all my other handguns are vastly inferior. Ironically, I gave away the Cougar for other reasons. As someone who doesn't like manual safeties on a handgun, I sorta miss that aspect of the Cougar. Everything about it was perfect - placement, lever shape, feel, etc.
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SFsc616171
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I voted FOR 'manual safeties' on my handguns, of choice. My 'NIB' revolvers have the Hillary Nanny-locks. My more reverent Model 15 revolvers, do not. My semi's of choice, are all SA/DA design, with my Witness being DA/SA - haven't done the DA yet. I have well examined all of those black, blocky "John Dillinger black shoe polish colored wood design" guns. No soul. No architectural metalwork. No distinctive outline. No "Tim Taylor" factor.
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EddieNFL,
I had a 1911 with an ambi-safety that I repeatedly found off safe in the holster. Removed the ambi-safety and the problem went away.
As for the poll question given a model like the M&P where you have a choice of with or without I prefer without. One more mechanical device to fail at the most critical time.
I had a 1911 with an ambi-safety that I repeatedly found off safe in the holster. Removed the ambi-safety and the problem went away.
As for the poll question given a model like the M&P where you have a choice of with or without I prefer without. One more mechanical device to fail at the most critical time.
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