Do you support special training for 50 cal purchasers?

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Rem, how much experience do you have, if any, with these beasts?

How many shots can you get per charging?

Are they like one-shot wonders that have to be basically recharged with every shot?

Does anyone actually have one of these air-breathing monsters?

Tell me more!

hillbilly
 
We're talking 600-700fps with a 270gr .50cal bullet.

Yes, that'll kill deer within 50 yards. Like I said, think of it as a smokeless muzzleloader.

It uses a pump to pump it up, about 100 pumps for 5 shots I think... 3000psi needed, in any case. Read the review.
 
No. Not for the .50. I do draw the line t the .50 however. Everyone buying PVC pipe from Home depot should go through a government re-education er I mean safety program in case they are tempted to build a 2" anti-window tuber launcher.
 
From the reveiw that Rem provided..


"The power of the rifle I tested was a tight band from 185 to 192 foot-pounds, with the heaviest bullets getting the higher power, as you would expect. I tested a brand-new rifle and it has been my experience that after many shots the firing mechanism will wear smoother and the power will increase a bit."

:eek:

They're getting 185 ft/lbs of energy out of an airgun that slings .50 caliber lead pellets?

Yee-haw!

Here's a link to an ammo maker's page that shows 185 ft/lbs is far above .25 ACP energy, and almost equal with .32 ACP energy.

http://www.aeagle1.com/powermax.html

Oh, the possibilities!

And I bet that sucker is only as loud as most other airguns.

So, I sort of apologize to you .50 BMGers on this thread.

This thing sort of is the .50 BGM of the airgun world.

Squirrels, you can run, but you most certainly can't hide.....

hillbilly
 
I wouldn't mind if the firearms industry got together and decided that sales clerks should give prospective buyers a little quiz like this one before selling someone a high power rifle:
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Anything government mandated would be a bad idea, though.
 
hillbilly,

What I noticed from the other training thread was that people responded after only reading the title of the thread but without reading the actual content of the first post...

We don't talk about airguns much here, so I thought I'd run my test and see if I could get a discussion started on airguns at the same time.

What do you think of the results so far? ;)

John
 
What I noticed from the other training thread was that people responded after only reading the title of the thread but without reading the actual content of the first post...
:eek: It doesn't help that the word "airgun" is only in the post once, but not in the title which is Big And Bold
 
I wondered why so many were talking about the BMG.... some people really don't read the threads.

I've been known to skim, but the first time I was called on it (by Art) I stopped. I now read the entire thread before replying.
 
What I noticed from the other training thread was that people responded after only reading the title of the thread but without reading the actual content of the first post...

Actually, I read the whole thing before posting.
But, I come from California, originally. In CA, the law now includes airguns under the definition "firearm".
So, my original answer applies.
 
No, and I only advocated the forced training of children who might otherwise never be exposed to firearms.

Requiring training for anything is just a way of erecting artificial barriers to a class of activity, be it practice of law or medicine or firearms ownership. I personally think that all such barriers are bad, at least as they pertain to personal activity- it's wrong for me to practice medicine on others, but I should be able to practice it on myself if I wish. Likewise, anyone should be allowed to own firearms, since by definition it is something only an individual can do.
 
The only regulation I support on .50cals is (politely) asking manufacturers to include a bottle of tylenol with each one sold, ala Armalite.

Kharn
 
I knew about the Lewis and Clark airgun. It was a .32, I believe, and looked just like a flintlock rifle with the addition of the small, brass sphere below the lock.

Third Rail, I'm afraid to ask.

At the peril of my check book and credit cards, what is the "Most Powerful" airgun out there?

hillbilly
 
The only time I would promote mandatory training is for CHL users. I think training is an extremely good idea for everyone else as well, but in this case I don't see a reason.
 
To be really honest about the .50's, perhaps the serious answer is yes - there are some things about this sort of gun that the dealer or a qualified shooter should pass along to the new buyer.

From a safety standpoint, how is a .50 any different from, say, a .308?

I bought a .50 BMG bolt action last year. It’s just like any other rife, expect bigger. :)
 
Interesting discusion, I think I'll put in my two cents...

No matter how silly I think it is, there is nothing inherently wrong with owning or desiring to shoot a .50cal anything. There are a lot of things I find silly that others enjoy so that is nothing more than my opinion.

While in the USMC I was told that .50cal machine guns were never to be used on personnel, only equipment. I was taught that such use was prohibited because even under war conditions it was considered excessive. I have heard references to the Geneva conventions prohibiting it but since no one ever produced a quote or a section, I cannot corroborate that claim.

My concern is this. If you actually use this weapon in self defense, could it be considered excessive force, based on the professional opinion of the DOD? It's something to think about.
 
From a safety standpoint, how is a .50 any different from, say, a .308?
Actually, what I was thinking of - I guess I wasn't clear enough - are the issues of long-range target work, and dealing with a monster like that.

(Cleaning, transport, etc.)

A bolt action is a bolt action, and a trigger is a trigger, but I don't think most of us would use one of these monsters at less than 100-300 yards, at which point a lot of other factors come into play that the new user may need to be helped with - wind, serious bullet drop, etc.

Safety issues should be the same, although (speaking ignorantly, sorry) I wonder what the "dangerous" range for one of these is v.s. a .308 or some such. (Like the ammunition boxes that say "more than a mile"....)

Again, I'm talking to "across the sales counter" stuff, not enforced classroom time....

For example, I bought a new gun last May. First time in years, but that's another story. The counterkid finished the transaction with a quick rundown of OH's law on transporting a handgun. He didn't want me to get tagged before I got off the property. I knew that - I was carrying before he was born - but that's a perfect example of "across the sales counter education." :)

(And, yes, I eventually figured out that the thread was about an airgun, but the "education" comments still really apply. :D )

Regards,
 
http://bigboreairguns.com/

I've met a couple of these guys--and eaten some of their kills. Check out the armament.

One of them has a 20mm airgun--for those times when .50 cal just isn't enough. It will flatten out its big lead projectile into a saucer on a hard target. Or drop a buffalo...

http://www.bigborebob.com/

BTW, special training is a must. Not necessarily for shooting one, but for filling it from the air tank. ;)
 
Johnksa

I apologise for thinking you'd bought into an antigun line of thinking. I realize now you were being funny, but you have to admit the language was couched so well in 'bradyspeak' that it was an easy mistake to make.
 
As usual I was being a smart-4$$. There is certainly no need for apologies.
 
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