AirForceShooter
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I just LIE.
The answer is always NO.
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The answer is always NO.
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Doctors need/want to know.
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I just write in the blank, "what's a fire-arm?"
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JustinJ
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Florida recently passed a law prohibiting doctors from asking a patient if firearms are owned. I don't agree with that law as it is a first amendment violation but I also believe people have the right to decline to answer their doctor. There are a number of reasons doctors cite as a cause to ask such suicide risk but none of them make sense to me. If my doctor asked I would inquire as to why he needs to know and decline to answer if a suitable reason were not given.
So doctors want to make sure guns are stored away from children, big deal. Ahhh, it's Obama care, it's a comin' ta take our guns..strap on the shiny hats and head fer the hills! :banghead:
Not every gun owner is responsible. Asking parents to keep firearms stored properly doesn't seem like much of a constitutional violation. Doctors or dudes in black pajamas aren't coming to your house to confiscate your firearms if you answer yes. There are tens of millions of gun owners in the US...it's no secret, especially if you are posting comments on a firearms related forum.
Not every gun owner is responsible. Asking parents to keep firearms stored properly doesn't seem like much of a constitutional violation. Doctors or dudes in black pajamas aren't coming to your house to confiscate your firearms if you answer yes. There are tens of millions of gun owners in the US...it's no secret, especially if you are posting comments on a firearms related forum.
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Where I work, they sighed up for a wellness program and started handing out all kinds of surveys. They also have financial incentives to go on line and fill out even more profile surveys.
Our personal manager usually eats lunch on my schedule and we often sit together (small break room) and have become pretty good friends.
(Note: His wife is an RN and was on the state board of nursing for years, so he sees the other side of the health care system)
He told me without hesitation, that in his opinion, the only purpose for these type of surveys is to gather data on you that can be used by insurance companies to DENY CLAIMS, and that he himself did not participate in them, nor provide any personal info. to them.
Our personal manager usually eats lunch on my schedule and we often sit together (small break room) and have become pretty good friends.
(Note: His wife is an RN and was on the state board of nursing for years, so he sees the other side of the health care system)
He told me without hesitation, that in his opinion, the only purpose for these type of surveys is to gather data on you that can be used by insurance companies to DENY CLAIMS, and that he himself did not participate in them, nor provide any personal info. to them.
jerkface11
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This is akin to your gunsmith asking if you've had unprotected sex in the last 6 months.
mgmorden
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They shouldn't ask it, but if you're offended at the question, lie and put No. If you put N/A, NOYB, or any other answer, that pretty much flags you in the "Yes" category even though you wrote something different.
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It's like the "have you used ANY tobaco products in the last ten years?" question.
If you're co-worker had a baby nine years ago and handed out cigars the next day (remember when people used to do that?), and you lit up with the boys, took three puffs and ditched the cigar after the congrats were said and the group split up. Technically, you have to answer yes.
But if you do answer yes, you will pay smoker rates on your life insurance for now on.
And if you get lung cancer from occupational exposure to asbestos, they'll try to deny your workmans comp. because you obiviously got it from tobbaco smoke.
Just another symptom of the "turn your brain off, check the box yes or no, liability avoiding" world we live in.
If you're co-worker had a baby nine years ago and handed out cigars the next day (remember when people used to do that?), and you lit up with the boys, took three puffs and ditched the cigar after the congrats were said and the group split up. Technically, you have to answer yes.
But if you do answer yes, you will pay smoker rates on your life insurance for now on.
And if you get lung cancer from occupational exposure to asbestos, they'll try to deny your workmans comp. because you obiviously got it from tobbaco smoke.
Just another symptom of the "turn your brain off, check the box yes or no, liability avoiding" world we live in.
jcwit
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Whats the big deal? Does it say, All questions MUST be answered before the Dr. will see you?
This same question comes up every month or 2.
This same question comes up every month or 2.
merlinfire
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Might as well just say yes then.
Dnaltrop
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Busy day yesterday or would have camped this thread a bit more 
Yes the evil "sweet taste" The Romans used to poison themselves with an acidic drink mixed in Leaden urns. I'm a big guy with healthy lungs, and I suck a LOT of air even when my heart rate is low. The sweet taste was usually the signal that it was time to leave for the day. I didn't like drinking "Tab" as a kid either. it's pretty dang close to the same taste.
It's lessened with my .45 reloads, as they're primarily Berrys plated at the moment. the only (naked) lead that goes through my press currently are a bunch of 158 grain swc's I've loaded for .38 and a few for my friend at .357mag.
It's more unlikely with my reloading as I've taken more precautions there, and use Ultrasonic cleaning and gloves throughout the process, underwater with no particulate sent into the air as a Tumbler does. ( Vinegar and baking soda solutions.. works great, just no bright polish, don't skimp on the baking soda or you'll etch your shells with the acid)
I didn't have any issues with lead shooting up past Zig Zag outdoors. and the air system in the Range is fairly decent. I just need to take that last precaution.
PS Yes, I technically could have kept my yap shut to the Sawbones. I was raised under the auspices of "lying by omission" being as bad as actively doing so. This time it alerted me to a vector I'd missed to avoid the lead exposure. Most of the time it's a pain in the rear though. Can't even lie to hide a surprise party. Can't play Cards... Well I know the rules... Just can't bluff
Yes the evil "sweet taste" The Romans used to poison themselves with an acidic drink mixed in Leaden urns. I'm a big guy with healthy lungs, and I suck a LOT of air even when my heart rate is low. The sweet taste was usually the signal that it was time to leave for the day. I didn't like drinking "Tab" as a kid either. it's pretty dang close to the same taste.
It's lessened with my .45 reloads, as they're primarily Berrys plated at the moment. the only (naked) lead that goes through my press currently are a bunch of 158 grain swc's I've loaded for .38 and a few for my friend at .357mag.
It's more unlikely with my reloading as I've taken more precautions there, and use Ultrasonic cleaning and gloves throughout the process, underwater with no particulate sent into the air as a Tumbler does. ( Vinegar and baking soda solutions.. works great, just no bright polish, don't skimp on the baking soda or you'll etch your shells with the acid)
I didn't have any issues with lead shooting up past Zig Zag outdoors. and the air system in the Range is fairly decent. I just need to take that last precaution.
PS Yes, I technically could have kept my yap shut to the Sawbones. I was raised under the auspices of "lying by omission" being as bad as actively doing so. This time it alerted me to a vector I'd missed to avoid the lead exposure. Most of the time it's a pain in the rear though. Can't even lie to hide a surprise party. Can't play Cards... Well I know the rules... Just can't bluff
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The Florida legislation came about because a doctor refused treatment because a woman refused to answer.
The_Armed_Therapist
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When we moved to Akron, Ohio, we took our kids for their first Pediatric appointments and the same question was on the forms. My wife checked "Yes" to having "A" firearm in the home. When the doctor came into the examination room, he was very concerned. He told us that we should get rid of it. We told him that's not going to happen... and that we have 8 firearms, not one. He looked shocked, appalled, and was very rude the rest of the visit. You're not a damn social worker, doc. We went to another Dr.
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That makes my bloodpresure go up....
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MetalMan52
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I wish my doctor would pay more attention to heart rate and blood pressure than this type of political quackery as they both raise with these kind of non medical questions. It's none of their G D business......stick to true medical issues not this political agenda.
col.lemat
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Wrong type of questions
The question should be do you ever have exposure to lead? if that is what they really wanted to know. I have had it from working in the oil refineries for 40 years. There is more than one way to get it. Painters used to get it as well as welders. Myself when it comes to guns and any type of authority figure I give them the answer they want to hear = NO! I'm afraid of guns
The question should be do you ever have exposure to lead? if that is what they really wanted to know. I have had it from working in the oil refineries for 40 years. There is more than one way to get it. Painters used to get it as well as welders. Myself when it comes to guns and any type of authority figure I give them the answer they want to hear = NO! I'm afraid of guns
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The "sweet-ish" taste isn't a sign of excessive lead exposure, it's simply you tasting it in the air. Excessive exposure occurs above 0.05mg/m3 air for an 8 hour day. A properly run range will maintain air lead concentrations below this point. Any blood lead concentrations between 10 and 25 µg/dL indicates an overexposure to lead is occurring. You should find all the possible sources and work on limiting your exposure. Between 25 and 30 µg/dL you need to stop all exposure.
TexasRifleman
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Huh. Like some others mentioned, my Dr. shoots. In fact I sponsored him for range membership where I shoot.
But if I was asked on paper I'd deny everything.
But if I was asked on paper I'd deny everything.
monet61
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I have never been asked this question by my doc. My doc is a very involved and excellent shooter. But I'm with most of you, if it was a question on a form, I would ignore it or mark no.
I don't go to a firearms instructor to get medical advice, I won't go to a doctor for firearm advice. A firearms instructor likely won't be qualified for giving medical advice, a doctor likely won't be qualified for giving firearms safety advice.
General practitioners are not supposed to overstep their knowledge on medical matters, and instead defer to specialists, why are they overstepping their knowledge where firearms are concerned? Sounds like malpractice to me.
Don't most injuries and deaths in the home occur in the bath room? Where are all the questions about possibly dangerous bathroom implements?
As for legislating against this question. I would say since the doctor patient relationship is a professional relationship...something that could be called a fiduciary relationship, I'd say freedom of speech isn't exactly applicable here. Fiduciary relationships usually put the interest of the beneficiary above that of the trustee.
Putting this stuff in databases, asking kids out of earshot of their parents...sounds like "inform on your neighbors and family" to me.
General practitioners are not supposed to overstep their knowledge on medical matters, and instead defer to specialists, why are they overstepping their knowledge where firearms are concerned? Sounds like malpractice to me.
Don't most injuries and deaths in the home occur in the bath room? Where are all the questions about possibly dangerous bathroom implements?
As for legislating against this question. I would say since the doctor patient relationship is a professional relationship...something that could be called a fiduciary relationship, I'd say freedom of speech isn't exactly applicable here. Fiduciary relationships usually put the interest of the beneficiary above that of the trustee.
Putting this stuff in databases, asking kids out of earshot of their parents...sounds like "inform on your neighbors and family" to me.
Dnaltrop
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I will add that disclosing my shooting status has also resulted in my doctor's head nurse asking me about a membership at my range for her husband and son.
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