Does any have motion lights for home defense? If so read this.

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Fiction, until you start getting into very high powered and therefore expensive lasers. Green lasers are so much "brighter" than red ones because green light is more visible to the human eye. Even a moderately high powered green laser (75 mw?) is peanuts compared to the input of direct sunlight.

Also, anyone would notice the big eff-off bright green laser, as well as the clear line through the air indicating where the BG is...
 
Another "fact" that we didn't really need put out on the internet.. While it helps us very little, it has the potential to help the BG's greatly. Thank you..
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Be safe.
 
That's interesting about the green laser. I have a solution. If you have the basic electrical skills to pull the wires from the mounted light sensor, you could string these wires along a path to another location (better hidden) where you can rewire to the real motion sensor, but keep the dummy in place as a decoy to get lasered repeatedly by thieves.

A BB gun breaking the glass then shattering the light has a simple solution. Reinforce the outside glass with some plexi shielding. I'm not sure about how much heat is generated by 250 or 500 watts, but the safe thing to do might be to have a small gap between the glass and plexiglass for ventillation. Now the bulb is protected twice. If the vandals/thieves shoot at the sensor, remember, it's a dummy.
 
While it helps us very little, it has the potential to help the BG's greatly.
Well, not if it's a fallacy. Then there may just be some doofus who needs to explain why he was pointing a laser at someone else's property.

Also, anyone would notice the big eff-off bright green laser, as well as the clear line through the air indicating where the BG is...
Yep. "Tracer works both ways." (#24 of the Rules of Combat.)
 
Also, anyone would notice the big eff-off bright green laser, as well as the clear line through the air indicating where the BG is...

This isn't the movies, in clear air a laser beam is invisible as there are no stray light rays to enter your eye. In dusty or foggy air you can see the laser becuase the minute particles reflect bits of the beam.

Anyway, I call BS. Any crook can defeat the system by running past the light, and then hiding in the bushes until it shuts off. Killing the thing with a laser is too complex.
 
This isn't the movies, in clear air a laser beam is invisible as there are no stray light rays to enter your eye. In dusty or foggy air you can see the laser becuase the minute particles reflect bits of the beam.

Someone needs to do some more research on _green_ lasers
 
Well, a *real* organized cat burglar would scout everything out thoroughly before proceeding on a high end home job. Odds are they won't care if the lights are on because they already know they won't be seen.

The average crackhead who is going into your driveway to hacksaw off your catalytic convertor isn't capable of thinking ahead enough to even know you have motion sensor lights let alone care about defeating them, Crackhead Joe just wants to get in and get out before you sic the dog on him. Most of the petty criminals I've run into tend to be opportunistic and wouldn't know how to plan a good bowel movement let alone a burglary.
 
Catalytic convertors, too?

The average crackhead who is going into your driveway to hacksaw off your catalytic convertor isn't capable of thinking ahead enough to even know you have motion sensor lights
Lemme guess -- for copper? A couple of months ago, someone forwarded me an article about the Detroit City Council considering new regulations for scrap dealers. There was an "epidemic" of thefts of air conditioners out of windows, for the copper tubing inside.
This past summer, my employer got hit for about $30K worth of copper cable and aluminum. From what I understand, the prime suspect is no rocket scientist, but he found an accessible storage area, unlighted and out of public view, chock-full of goodies. Brought his own hacksaw, cable cutters, and a vehicle to haul the loot to a scrap dealer. (Who unfortunately for Mr. Thief, was very cooperative with the detectives.)
If a burglar is determined enough, you can't stop him. But what you may be able to do is impede him enough that the risk of getting caught (bit, etc.) outweighs whatever "profit" he might make from your premises. Then maybe he'll just go bother somebody who's less prepared.

Re visibility of green laser beams, part of the discussion on that astronomy forum was about using one as a pointer, kind of mounted coaxially with the telescope. The idea was to help someone else pick out a particular object you want them to see through the 'scope. Instead of trying to describe to them where something is in the sky, they can just follow the line. Kind of a "boresighter" thing, I guess, but the beam isn't making a dot on the POI. (Point of Interest, in that case.)
 
I helped my neighbor install security lighting, some of which illuminates a second neighbor's driveway. Well, one night that second neighbor's vehicles were vandalized & burgled.

The next AM, my first neighbor figured out his light had been shot out with a lead pellet.
 
This isn't the movies, in clear air a laser beam is invisible as there are no stray light rays to enter your eye. In dusty or foggy air you can see the laser becuase the minute particles reflect bits of the beam.

While I appreciate your cynicism (really, I do!) you're wrong. As the owner of several green lasers throughout the years, lasers of this wavelength greater than 4mw or so most certainly do make visible lines through the air, owing to the minute particulate floating around even in 'clean' air. Indoors the effect is especially bold, and if you have smokers in your house it's astonishing.

A powerful enough red laser (or any other visible color) will have the same effect.
 
Well, word has it that the members of the Regional Order of Burglars Brotherhood (ROBB) in my area all subscribe to a highly advanced orbiting satellite service that gives them a more convenient option to deal with motion sensor lights.

All they do is call and give their membership number, the address of the house they plan to burgle and the time they plan to burgle it - then they just sit back and wait.

Pretty soon - ZAP! - a laser beam (green, I think) from one of the service's satellites nails all of the house's sensors and they're free to approach at will and in the relative safety of darkness.

Ain't technology and the internet grand?

:rolleyes:
 
I'm not seeing the point of deactivating the light at all, rule 1 of any burgler should be to make damn sure there is no one in the house in the first place. The most successful burglers around my area used a big brown van and just acted like a moving crew when people weren't at home. Oddly enough they were both women in their late 30's or early 40s, but they managed to get away with it for several months.
 
we have motion lights, but IMHO they are as useless as a conventional car alarm. Who looks in the parking lot when an alarm sounds? Thought so. When a motion light goes off no-one notices, and if they do they'll blame a cat or a skunk, or the wind, or what ever. Crooks know this, they know that if they don't loiter they'll be fine, and if the occational nosey neighbor calls the cops, response times for burglary are beyond 30 minutes where I live, and that's after 20 minutes of hold on 911. So the only important "motion detector" is the one between you ears. Hopefully that motion detector is equiped with some sort of HD device.
 
And in the KISS system what could be easier than, going to another house WITHOUT motion sensor lighting... I'm sure with as stupid as most people are about security, most areas are "target rich enviroments" for the KISS bg.
 
I noticed just know that the OP did mention the SD aspects of the motion lights. In my experience with the Surefire M500 lights (those 'nifty' ones that attach to an AR15) and NVD, that 60USD motion light mounted high on your wall is much much better than either of the two.

The why is that they illuminate areas where a flashlight, pointed straight ahead, might miss, like behind an AC unit, etc. Effectively neutralizing shadows. Plus, you have full color/depth perception where you usually have neither with NVDs and lights either take up part of one hand or are attached to your gun all the time and make it heavy and harder to balance. A few strategically placed lights, that you have worked into your outside-the-home plan, if any, beat the other two technologies, IMO. Stack the odds in your favor, NVDs and flashlights help most if you are in terrain that is not under your control.

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we have motion lights, but IMHO they are as useless as a conventional car alarm. Who looks in the parking lot when an alarm sounds? Thought so. When a motion light goes off no-one notices, and if they do they'll blame a cat or a skunk, or the wind, or what ever. Crooks know this, they know that if they don't loiter they'll be fine, and if the occational nosey neighbor calls the cops, response times for burglary are beyond 30 minutes where I live, and that's after 20 minutes of hold on 911. So the only important "motion detector" is the one between you ears. Hopefully that motion detector is equiped with some sort of HD device.

Motion lights are not entirely useless. These do offer lighting at the moment of movement then turn off to conserve energy. Why have a light on from dusk till dawn, especially if it's 2 or more at 100 watts a bulb? Motion lighting can spook the unsuspecting prowlers and have 'em scattering like roaches if their true intentions were to burglarize.

Motion lighting alone is ok, but is made better with cameras, motion sensors, and a video recording device. Night vision on the less expensive camera models are very grainy, but give it some light and the picture is much improved. I don't know how serious anyone else is about home security and though I don't have a full system like the one I speak about, I'm serious enough to pursue a complete system.
 
If you rely on motion sensor lights for your security, especially if you live in an upper middle class neighborhood where the payoffs would be better, you are a tool and maybe you need a reality check as to how the real world is. If that menas jacking up your home owners due to a payout or having your inner sanctum violated, so be it.

Motion sensor lights are good for a few things only. Providing light while the kids play at night, and detering the simplest of pretty tefts by someone like the neighborhood kids. Anything else is probably wishfull thinking at best.

In testing mine at home with an 80mw IR laser, a 12mw green laser and 3mw red laser they all shut down the light sensor for the motion detector. but seconds after the laser was removed the lights came back on. So much for giving the bad guys and edge.
 
If you rely on motion sensor lights for your security...you are a tool and maybe you need a reality check

And I thought I made a broad statement. The use of motion lights is only part of a defense system But having security lighting is a good thing. When I drive up to the side gate of my house at night the security light comes on and I can see my surroundings far better than with head lights. So if there is a BG in the bushes waiting I'll see him before I have the car stopped, it also helps me not hit the gate...:banghead:

If I depended on the light to scare off anything but the neighborhood possums and cats I'd be the first to call myself a tool. It is alot easier for the homeowner to investigate when he doesn't need to worry about turning on a light or holding a flashlight.
 
If you rely on motion sensor lights for your security, especially if you live in an upper middle class neighborhood where the payoffs would be better, you are a tool and maybe you need a reality check as to how the real world is.

Correct, though there is no real answer or one device for stopping a burglary.

You have motion lights. The criminal could be spooked and run off or continue a hit on your house from a darker area.

You have motion lights with video cameras. The criminal will not know you have these cameras installed, so these will not be a deterrent. If the cameras are linked to a video recorder, it could serve as evidence if the burglar is later apprehended.

You have a dog. You send him out and the dog may chum up to the guy or could get seriously injured in the process.

You have a gun. The burglar may also have a gun and just because it's your house, there's no written law stating "The home owner always wins the fight."
 
The more I think about it, though, it might be possible for a bad guy to wear a dog suit. Then, when the lights come on, all he has to do is lie down and "Woof" a few times until the unsuspecting homeowner decides he's only a stray dog.

Yup, that'll work...for as long as it takes for me to release one of my trained German Shepherds, and tell him to "seach"....They don't like interlopers (human OR dog) in their territory. He MIGHT even shoot or disable the dog, but I have more where that came from.

Result: BG bleeding bad if not DOA. Most likely to leave in a body bag---If the dog doesn't do it, I'm right behind behind with a gun.

P.S. Motions sensor lights, to me, are strictly a convenience, for people moving around the entry way/driveway. I don't consider them any kind of defensive solution. Although they MIGHT scare away SOME BGs. The Dogs will alert me to anything going on, out side of the ordinary..(they actually know the the difference between my, or my sons, or his girlfriends cars/footsteps. They won't make a peep, unless/ until, there's a sound they don't recognize as "normal".
 
A dog suit might work unless the homeowner wants to get in some target practice and has a hankering for some exotic pad thai.

"Have you wokked your dog?"
 
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Interesting.

I wonder if the same approach would work for the motion detectors (and cameras) used to detect red-light runners.

*muses and wanders off*

EDIT: nevermind; from what you are all saying here, there's little credence to this claim.

However: it looks like it'd work on a lumenosity detecting sensor (street lamp, as well as household lamps), and could be easily done from a parked vehicle on the street (bore sighter + rifle + scope or equally effective combination). If a house only uses a single lumenosity sensor for the whole house (which seems reasonable if they're all tied together), then it'd be trivial to defeat.

There are a slew of ways to defeat motion detection lamps, too, on a time-by-time basis. I know this from personal experience as a teenager (when I would attempt to sneak by the front lamp on the house to get in late at night and avoid alerting my parents). I've heard wearing blue works, but I have no experience there. I do know that most are calibrated to a high enough tollerance for movement that, if you move slowly (say, a slow 'creep') you can easily get past the ones I've seen with this approach.

On the other hand, the one on my house is on the 'fritz' - it'll go on and off throughout the night, and there's nothing between it and my neighbor's house, at least on its most sensitive. So it'd obviously be adjustable; in a windy area (where there's a lot of waving of bushes, trees, etc.), I don't imagine a person would have it set to a high sensitivity, so obviously it'd be easier to sneak by.

Another way to screw up a motion sensor's effectiveness would be to set it off, repeatedly, for several nights. Let it turn off, then trigger it again. Repeat. It'll either get the homeowner or the neighbor irritated enough to turn it off temporarily until their (presumeably) busy schedule allows them or a contractor to come out and 'fix' it to be less sensitive (resulting in a period of time where it may not be sensitive enough to work while they fiddle.
 
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