Does anyone here carry pepperspray?

[Bovice]

There's a big difference between "pushing someone around" and threatening and making advances toward murder or serious injury.

While spraying someone with wasp spray is using the spray in a manner inconsistent with its labeling, think about how common a can of wasp spray is. Just about everybody has some. It's highly unlikely that you'd be accused of premeditatively using it. It's not something you would carry on your person, but leaving it in a vehicle wouldn't be unheard of. You'd be improvising a weapon for self defense, no different from clubbing someone over the head with a lamp or a vase in a home invasion.

AFAIK, there are no provisions for using less than lethal force for a civilian. If it's not in defense of yourself or someone else in the immediate area, it's an illegal assault and you have no legal authority to lay hands on them. If you believe otherwise, you're bound to be arrested and charged with a felony assault or battery.

This is also not a trolling attempt, either. We're having a serious discussion and if you don't like what I've got to say then stop reading it or shut the hell up.

 

[Gunfighter123]

Bovice quoted;

You'd be improvising a weapon for self defense, no different from clubbing someone over the head with a lamp or a vase in a home invasion.

I agree 100% ---- ANYTHING can be used as a weapon ---- I can carry a metal baseball bat in my car and it is legal --- Only Untill , you use that object as a weapon is it Legally a Weapon.

Like FIrearms --- if you use { whatever object } on someone , even if they are found guilty of assualt/attm. murder etc. ----- They can STILL TRY to Sue You in civil court!!!
Why would a can of Wasp Spray be treated any differente than a baseball bat or a legal firearm useage ???

My thinking is IF I EVER have to use a ballbat or a can of Wasp Spray to defend myself ---- I'll worry about getting sued later !!!

 

[glistam]

I'm a little confused what you mean Bovice. I am not trying to pile on or anything, just it didn't make sense.

AFAIK, there are no provisions for using less than lethal force for a civilian. If it's not in defense of yourself or someone else in the immediate area, it's an illegal assault and you have no legal authority to lay hands on them.

That's a very "all or nothing" thinking on the matter. And it's incorrect.

A use of force continuum is universal, whether specifically enumerated in law or not. "Self-defense" is an excuse (that is, an affirmative legal defense) for a person committing an act that would have otherwise constituted assault/battery or murder. An enemy does not have to be a deadly threat (the highest threat possible) to still be a threat to a person's body. And a deadly threat is not the only situation where one may use force against them to stop them. If someone empty handed is clear they intend to punch you and they're of comparable or smaller physical prowess, you do not get to just shoot them dead. But nor do you have to just stand there and let them punch you if you have no method of retreat. You use appropriate less-lethal force to stop them until they do become a deadly threat.

Some states set down statutory rules on this. Others use judicial instructions. Still others rely on case law the the subjective opinion of the courts as to what was an appropriate level of force given the threat faced.

I am however staying the hell out of the wasp spray debate itself because I have yet to see any compelling evidence it works in any meaningful way and won't just make someone ill hours later. That opinion is subject to change with or without notice should I find anything on it.

 

[ChaoSS]

Bovice, clearly, as far as you know isn't very far.

I don't know what state you are in, but why don't you go look up the laws regarding lethal force. Then go look up the laws regarding the use of a defensive spray. Then go look up the laws regarding general use of force. Then go look up the laws regarding the use of force inside your house.

Not the difference in the language used. Not that sometimes, you are authorized to use lethal force, other times you are authorized to use whatever force is necessary, you might find that you can use force "within reason", etc. There are very different levels of force that come into play, depending on if you are being pushed around, beat up, threatened with a weapon, etc.

And yes, if you are posting about it on a message board, you will get found out if you use RAID against someone. They will know that you intended it to be used that way, and you will see the legal consequences of that. Why you would do that when you can use pepper spray is well beyond my comprehension.

 

[Bovice]

I'd get found out if my real name was Bovice.

 

[Sano]

Double Dipped

I was at the top of a 20 ft extension ladder while painting my great aunt;s house when I was stung by a wasp. I went back up with a loaded paint brush to exact revenge. When I got back to the top of the ladder, my goofy aunt appeared with a large can of wasp spray and began to hose me down with the stuff. While I blindly felt my way down yelling between bursts for my aunt to cease fire, she laughed hysterically and gave me a couple more shots. I had to take it away from her to make her stop. After washing it off best I could I bawled her out some more and she told me that it says on the can that it is safe for pets and humans. I never bothered to read the label to check it out because I couldn't read it if I had tried. I went directly back out and finished the job.
I have used pepper spray against dogs when riding my bicycle. Only had to shoot two directly in the face. I try to spray it between me and the mutt. They get a whiff and back off. A pit bull ran through the stream and caught it in one eye. He just closed that eye and kept coming like it was nothing. I probably could have stopped him with another shot but it wasn't necessary.

 

[ChaoSS]

You'd also get found out if the police executed a search of your house (which is highly likely after you blast someone in the face with a can of RAID and perform any search of your computer, which is also likely enough.


Sano, different types of spray are different. It's like rat poisons, some of them you'd be safe to down the box and others a small amount would make you sick.