duelist1954
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I guess we'll have to hire a butler, and charge him. 
Does FedEx do this?
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JustinJ
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dogtown tom: "Not exactly.
If you acquire more than one handgun in a five day period from a licensed dealer, he has to complete a Multiple Sale form and fax it to ATF (not Homeland Security). It doesn't matter if the handguns are the same model or not...more than one in five days has to be reported.
BTW, as far as arrousing suspicion and having to explain things: ATF DOES notice when customers purposely sidestep the reporting requirement......all three guns arrived the same day...dealer logs them into his books....yet the same customer receives each gun one week apart. Which looks more suspicious?"
How would ATF notice such a thing given they would not know about it unless the dealer volunteered the information of his own accord? If the guns are picked with five days between it would not need to be reported so unless the dealer is audited or goes out of business how would the ATF know what he logs in his books?
If you acquire more than one handgun in a five day period from a licensed dealer, he has to complete a Multiple Sale form and fax it to ATF (not Homeland Security). It doesn't matter if the handguns are the same model or not...more than one in five days has to be reported.
BTW, as far as arrousing suspicion and having to explain things: ATF DOES notice when customers purposely sidestep the reporting requirement......all three guns arrived the same day...dealer logs them into his books....yet the same customer receives each gun one week apart. Which looks more suspicious?"
How would ATF notice such a thing given they would not know about it unless the dealer volunteered the information of his own accord? If the guns are picked with five days between it would not need to be reported so unless the dealer is audited or goes out of business how would the ATF know what he logs in his books?
dogtown tom
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How would ATF know?
It's called the annual compliance inspection.....thats how.
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duelist1954
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised by this, since we are all gun people...
The key part of this scenario for me is who put the trigger locks on. The one gun a week thing is just annoying background.
But, that seems to be the main topic of discussion here.
From my perspective, if my FFL guy says life is easier if I only pick up one gun a week, then I only pick up one gun a week. He only charges me $15 for a transfer and I like to keep him happy.
BTW, ATF inspected him while this was going on and he was still holding one gun for me at the time, which he told them, and they had no problem with it.
All I really wanted to know from the posting is this. If FedEx had a SNAFU'd shipment where the box was opened and guns were in the box, do they put trigger locks on, before un-SNAFU-ing the shipment?
I gather the answer is "No". So it looks like nobody put the locks on....AAGGRRRR....
The key part of this scenario for me is who put the trigger locks on. The one gun a week thing is just annoying background.
But, that seems to be the main topic of discussion here.
From my perspective, if my FFL guy says life is easier if I only pick up one gun a week, then I only pick up one gun a week. He only charges me $15 for a transfer and I like to keep him happy.
BTW, ATF inspected him while this was going on and he was still holding one gun for me at the time, which he told them, and they had no problem with it.
All I really wanted to know from the posting is this. If FedEx had a SNAFU'd shipment where the box was opened and guns were in the box, do they put trigger locks on, before un-SNAFU-ing the shipment?
I gather the answer is "No". So it looks like nobody put the locks on....AAGGRRRR....
armarsh
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Uhhhhhhhhh...........FedEx doesn't charge a HazMat fee when shipping handguns......because handguns are not HazMat.
Only handguns must go Next Day/Overnight.......long guns can go Ground.
I never said hanguns required hazmat. You incorrectly read that in.
Just so there is no question in your mind, I was talking about two separate policies. One policy being the $25 fee for hazardous materials shipment. The second policy being requiring the overnight shipment of handguns.
medalguy
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Well the two policies are by different companies. Fedex Express ships all handguns overnight, and Fedex Ground ships hazardous materials. Ne'er the twain shall meet.
Twmaster
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FedEx Corporation owns a myriad of shipping companies. None of them share shipping facilities or transportation.
FedEx Express, Ground, Freight, Custom Critical etc are all separate entities with different operating parameters. (Yes, I think it's silly).
Hazmat cannot go via Express since almost everything Express spends time on an airplane. Ground is not Express...
To answer the original question. No. I doubt FedEx would have fitted gun locks. I'd bet it was somebody at the gun company.
FedEx Express, Ground, Freight, Custom Critical etc are all separate entities with different operating parameters. (Yes, I think it's silly).
Hazmat cannot go via Express since almost everything Express spends time on an airplane. Ground is not Express...
To answer the original question. No. I doubt FedEx would have fitted gun locks. I'd bet it was somebody at the gun company.
Express carries hazmat every day. I delivered four containers of corrosive material on Thursday. My sister's title is Hazmat Specialist in the Memphis hub.
And FedEx doesnt have gun locks to put on guns when a package bursts open. They do have a buttload of hyperactive security guys to watch while the package is taped closed again. They also have around 8000 bodybags, "just in case" anything happens. That's one reason I transferred out of there.
And FedEx doesnt have gun locks to put on guns when a package bursts open. They do have a buttload of hyperactive security guys to watch while the package is taped closed again. They also have around 8000 bodybags, "just in case" anything happens. That's one reason I transferred out of there.
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Hoss is correct about shipping hazardous materials by air (Fedex Express). I used to be certified for that. Compressed gases (calibration gases for instrumentation) and environmental samples composed of flammable or corrosive chemicals were mostly what we sent. Some hazardous items are definitely limited to Ground shipping only though, not by Express.
I would see the responsibility here with the gun manufacturer. They messed it up in the first place.
On Shippers, well I know they all mess up but to my experience UPS is superior to the US Mail and Fedex. All of the screw ups I have had to deal with have been with both of the latter mentions. But I do not think it is indicative of all employees. I was less than impressed with the 25 dollar hazmat fee I got charged to watch the UPS guy slam thirty pounds of primers and powders on the ground. If it is so dangerous why abuse the package when it is marked with explosives?
On Shippers, well I know they all mess up but to my experience UPS is superior to the US Mail and Fedex. All of the screw ups I have had to deal with have been with both of the latter mentions. But I do not think it is indicative of all employees. I was less than impressed with the 25 dollar hazmat fee I got charged to watch the UPS guy slam thirty pounds of primers and powders on the ground. If it is so dangerous why abuse the package when it is marked with explosives?
I have to say I don't care for my ups guy, i order a lot of ammo online and it all ships through ups. And he has a habit of dropping my 10lb package of ammo on the porch and walking away, never knocks and never rings the doorbell. And I have heard it drop on the porch a couple of times which has been the only reason I know something came. I have to watch the tracking numbers to know when it is delivered as not to just have something left on my doorstep all day, specially when it is ammo.
You don't sign for the ammo? We ship ammo and hazmat, but it MUST have a signature. If no signature and management finds out, you have a new fedex guy the next day...he'll be running a little later than the regular guy who never waited around for somebody to sign.
Ally
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UPS delivers my ammo as well, without signature required. The rather large box is always sitting on my front porch, out in the open, for all to see. So far it hasn't been stolen....You don't sign for the ammo? We ship ammo and hazmat, but it MUST have a signature. If no signature and management finds out, you have a new fedex guy the next day...he'll be running a little later than the regular guy who never waited around for somebody to sign.
Lets see, I've had ammo delivered to my neighbor. I've received packages for a house with the same number 2 blocks up on Bowen street, I live on Bross.
UPS is by no means perfect. Even with those mistakes I'm happy with them. They have taken a handwritten note and left signature required items where I asked them to so I could stay at work. (locked box in back) the local hub is 1 mile away so I can pick up things after work as well.
As for the gun locks, my guess is the first addressee.
UPS is by no means perfect. Even with those mistakes I'm happy with them. They have taken a handwritten note and left signature required items where I asked them to so I could stay at work. (locked box in back) the local hub is 1 mile away so I can pick up things after work as well.
As for the gun locks, my guess is the first addressee.
We recently had a "situation" with FedEx that is suitable for the Twilight Zone. We were shipping four handguns to a police department in the South East. They were all in individual plastic boxes taped shut. Those were packed two to a box with lots of styrofoam p-nuts. Both boxes were shipped via FedEx Express. Neither was marked with anything that would identify the contents, not even in the addresses. The department armorer calls me and says the box delivered was destroyed. It looked like it got ran over by a truck...literally! Tire marks, dirt, very squashed, etc. One plastic box with enclosed pistol is fine. One plastic box is MIA. The enclosed pistol from that box is there but it's got grind marks all over one side...like it got stuck under the truck wheel and ground along the road. The loose pistol actually fell out on the desk thru the hole in the side of the box. He tried to stop the FedEx driver but he had hit the door running and was already gone. The other package with two handguns is totally MIA.
I call FedEx, tell them about the destroyed handgun and ask about the other package. It's "lost in Memphis". The last known location was the Memphis hub. They call me a few days later to tell me that they had found the handguns in an undisclosed location in Memphis. Nobody knew what "undisclosed" meant. The package was gone but the two handguns were found. They tell me that they are both damaged and will return them to me. But wait! It gets better!
They have to first ship them to the "The Armory" in Texas to examine them. Beats me why FedEx has an armory. So, they examine them and put them both with "the other pistols" in a box and ship them on their merry way. Yeah, you read that right. The other pistols aren't mine. I know nothing about them. But wait! It gets even better!
They ship them all to the Tucson Police Department! Yeah, we're in Tucson but have nothing to do with the local police department. I ask FedEx why? They have no reason and don't understand why the armory did that but I can't go and pick mine up. They'll have to pick them up and re-ship them to me.
I finally get both of them back here to the shop. One is slightly damaged but one is squashed. I mean squashed as in ran over by a big truck. A total loss.
FedEx didn't argue with anything. They paid off several thousand dollars pretty quickly. No complaints about that or about our local drivers but numerous complaints about the rest of the ordeal.
1...Apparently, both boxes were destroyed at or close to Memphis. Why didn't some manager there get involved?
2...Why would they have shipped a totally destroyed package on to the recipient with out any type of manager getting involved? Especially since a handgun was falling out of the box?
3...The local delivery driver should have said "Hmmm! Hey Boss!".
4...Why was the second destroyed package kept in Memphis?
5...Why did they have to be shipped to some place called the armory in Texas?
6...Why were they shipped to our local Police Dept? (I called a freind in the local TPD armory and she said "beats me")
7...How many people were involved in this screw up? Nine? ten? More?
Nobody at FedEx can answer those questions. The investigator that I was dealing with was a nice and competant sounding Lady. She said that there is a gun theft ring operating out of Memphis. They cover their thefts by destroying the packages. Yes, we still use FedEx for quite a bit of shipping. I won't use UPS unless the Customer insists on it. They screwed up a few years back and cost us a contract. It wasn't as bad a screw up as this one with FedEx but the UPS one cost me a lot more money. So far, we haven't had any problems with USPS. (I'm knocking on wood here!)
Now, I have to ask: Since there is nothing on the packages to indicate GUNS, how does a line worker know what's in the box? By the addresses? Is somebody in the office telling them what packages to grab? Keep yer powder dry, Mac.
Tuff-Gun Finishes. The Name Says It All.
Mac's Shootin' Irons
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I call FedEx, tell them about the destroyed handgun and ask about the other package. It's "lost in Memphis". The last known location was the Memphis hub. They call me a few days later to tell me that they had found the handguns in an undisclosed location in Memphis. Nobody knew what "undisclosed" meant. The package was gone but the two handguns were found. They tell me that they are both damaged and will return them to me. But wait! It gets better!
They have to first ship them to the "The Armory" in Texas to examine them. Beats me why FedEx has an armory. So, they examine them and put them both with "the other pistols" in a box and ship them on their merry way. Yeah, you read that right. The other pistols aren't mine. I know nothing about them. But wait! It gets even better!
They ship them all to the Tucson Police Department! Yeah, we're in Tucson but have nothing to do with the local police department. I ask FedEx why? They have no reason and don't understand why the armory did that but I can't go and pick mine up. They'll have to pick them up and re-ship them to me.
I finally get both of them back here to the shop. One is slightly damaged but one is squashed. I mean squashed as in ran over by a big truck. A total loss.
FedEx didn't argue with anything. They paid off several thousand dollars pretty quickly. No complaints about that or about our local drivers but numerous complaints about the rest of the ordeal.
1...Apparently, both boxes were destroyed at or close to Memphis. Why didn't some manager there get involved?
2...Why would they have shipped a totally destroyed package on to the recipient with out any type of manager getting involved? Especially since a handgun was falling out of the box?
3...The local delivery driver should have said "Hmmm! Hey Boss!".
4...Why was the second destroyed package kept in Memphis?
5...Why did they have to be shipped to some place called the armory in Texas?
6...Why were they shipped to our local Police Dept? (I called a freind in the local TPD armory and she said "beats me")
7...How many people were involved in this screw up? Nine? ten? More?
Nobody at FedEx can answer those questions. The investigator that I was dealing with was a nice and competant sounding Lady. She said that there is a gun theft ring operating out of Memphis. They cover their thefts by destroying the packages. Yes, we still use FedEx for quite a bit of shipping. I won't use UPS unless the Customer insists on it. They screwed up a few years back and cost us a contract. It wasn't as bad a screw up as this one with FedEx but the UPS one cost me a lot more money. So far, we haven't had any problems with USPS. (I'm knocking on wood here!)
Now, I have to ask: Since there is nothing on the packages to indicate GUNS, how does a line worker know what's in the box? By the addresses? Is somebody in the office telling them what packages to grab? Keep yer powder dry, Mac.
Tuff-Gun Finishes. The Name Says It All.
Mac's Shootin' Irons
http://www.shootiniron.com
WinThePennant
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Yes, they can tell by the address. There have been numerous problems with gun shops having packages stolen that were addressed to the gun shop.
Memphis is overrun by crime. When I lived near there some gang members stole a freaking FBI Suburban from a motel parking lot where the out-of-town agents were staying for some training. They found the Suburban burned out about three days later but all the equipment the FBI had on board was gone of course.
That's why I moved down here. It seems as though the crime wave has followed me though. And all I can say about FedEx is I am sorry and embarrassed by what some FedEx people do. We weren't trained that way and we used to take pride in our jobs. A few of us still do. I'm confused about "the armory" comments. Maybe it's where we send guns to see if they're worth saving? No clue. If any of you guys ever ship a package, gun or not, to this part of Alabama I promise I'll treat it like my own until I deliver it!
Yeah, I know about not putting the gun shop name in the address. Like Joes Gun Shop becomes J.G.S. or our own name: Mac's Shootin' Irons becomes Mac's Restorations. As far as anybody can tell from the name, it could be Granpa's old pocket watch getting cleaned.
What I meant was having addresses flagged in their computer. All of the packages shipped are scanned at every transition point. You can see that on the tracking. Now, since the law requires that you declare the contents of the package being shipped, is that info entered into the computer when you drop it off for shipping? The package has nothing on it to indicate GUN but per a UPS district supervisor that I spoke with a few years back, a high percentage of packages containing firearms gets stolen....as in a higher percentage than other packages. How do the crooks know what package to steal? It has to be somebody in an office someplace that can see the declared contents. Jane tells John to watch for a package coming thu on this truck, etc. Or is it from the insured amount? Both of the ones that I had problems with were not large but were insured for $2K each. Beats me!
I've had problems with UPS in the past and now FedEx Express but never with FedEx Ground or USPS. The problem with USPS is that their tracking is awful. Oh well.
On a side note: Besides Mac's Shootin' irons, I also work for the local Sheriff's Department. I was on midnite shift and would get off at 7:30 AM. The UPS depot was right down the road but wouldn't open until 8am. I would sit in the parking lot for a little while waiting for them to open so I could drop off some packages for shipping. Their nite crew...the ones who would load and unload the trucks would be getting out about that time. I would watch them coming out thru the gate. I knew probably 3/4 of them from having dealt with them while on duty carrying a badge!!! (I always carry the gun even without the badge!) Some of them would grin and wave and others would turn their heads. The number of petty thieves, burglars, car thieves, drunks, child molesters and other assorted slime that works in the UPS depot was astounding!! Keep yer powder dry, Mac.
Tuff-Gun Finishes. The Name Says It All.
Mac's Shootin' Irons
http://www.shootiniron.com
What I meant was having addresses flagged in their computer. All of the packages shipped are scanned at every transition point. You can see that on the tracking. Now, since the law requires that you declare the contents of the package being shipped, is that info entered into the computer when you drop it off for shipping? The package has nothing on it to indicate GUN but per a UPS district supervisor that I spoke with a few years back, a high percentage of packages containing firearms gets stolen....as in a higher percentage than other packages. How do the crooks know what package to steal? It has to be somebody in an office someplace that can see the declared contents. Jane tells John to watch for a package coming thu on this truck, etc. Or is it from the insured amount? Both of the ones that I had problems with were not large but were insured for $2K each. Beats me!
I've had problems with UPS in the past and now FedEx Express but never with FedEx Ground or USPS. The problem with USPS is that their tracking is awful. Oh well.
On a side note: Besides Mac's Shootin' irons, I also work for the local Sheriff's Department. I was on midnite shift and would get off at 7:30 AM. The UPS depot was right down the road but wouldn't open until 8am. I would sit in the parking lot for a little while waiting for them to open so I could drop off some packages for shipping. Their nite crew...the ones who would load and unload the trucks would be getting out about that time. I would watch them coming out thru the gate. I knew probably 3/4 of them from having dealt with them while on duty carrying a badge!!! (I always carry the gun even without the badge!) Some of them would grin and wave and others would turn their heads. The number of petty thieves, burglars, car thieves, drunks, child molesters and other assorted slime that works in the UPS depot was astounding!! Keep yer powder dry, Mac.
Tuff-Gun Finishes. The Name Says It All.
Mac's Shootin' Irons
http://www.shootiniron.com
Hossfly68: I have NEVER had any complaint about the FedEx drivers or their counter people. Never really any compliant about any of them until this last issue. Things happen. That's why I buy the insurance. What really surpised me, was the number of people that had to have been involved in this screw up... From Memphis to South Florida to Texas. I'll keep on using FedEx for shipping. I even suggest using them on our web site.
Regarding the "Armory": The explanation that I got from the FedEx Lady that was handing our case, was that it was someplace in Texas that they shipped all high dollar stuff that was damaged during shipping so that it could be inspected. They call it the Armory because of the security.
Thanks for promising to take care of our packages if they come into your area. From your comments, I think that I can safely say that if all FedEx people were like you, I wouldn't need to buy the insurance! Keep yer powder dry, Mac.
Tuff-Gun Finishes. The Name Says It All.
Mac's Shootin' Irons
http://www.shootiniron.com
Regarding the "Armory": The explanation that I got from the FedEx Lady that was handing our case, was that it was someplace in Texas that they shipped all high dollar stuff that was damaged during shipping so that it could be inspected. They call it the Armory because of the security.
Thanks for promising to take care of our packages if they come into your area. From your comments, I think that I can safely say that if all FedEx people were like you, I wouldn't need to buy the insurance! Keep yer powder dry, Mac.
Tuff-Gun Finishes. The Name Says It All.
Mac's Shootin' Irons
http://www.shootiniron.com
22-rimfire
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I have very good luck with FedEx. Spend what I consider a fair amount of money shipping through them annually (couple three thousand $) for small packages. Worst problem in 4 years was they delivered one item in the afternoon rather than the morning.
stonecutter2
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I prefer Fedex to UPS because Fedex allowed you to pick up your packages after work if you missed delivery - because, you know, people work for a living to pay for things to get delivered to them! UPS didn't allow that in my area for quite awhile, you were stuck without your package until the next day. I recently realized that UPS wised up and will let you get your package the same day, but they have to call you to say you can Fedex lets you just go to their office and get your package.
When DHL still delivered, I actually once had a DHL guy call me up on my cell phone and ask when I'd be at home so he could try again when it was most convenient for me - now that's service!
I've never had any firearm related problems with shipping. Hopefully that continues to be the case!
Fedex lets you just go to their office and get your package.When DHL still delivered, I actually once had a DHL guy call me up on my cell phone and ask when I'd be at home so he could try again when it was most convenient for me - now that's service!
I've never had any firearm related problems with shipping. Hopefully that continues to be the case!
kevin davis
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i lost a case of .30-06 ammo to theft in the dallas ups hub when i ordered it online. the next case came thru fine. ups also left a rifle, which i had had repaired, on the front porch when it was sent back to me. no ring on the bell, no signature required, fortunately i went out to check the mail and found it the same day.
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