Don't ever get your handguns stolen

[Magnum88C]

I think you all jumped on Krinkov way hard over nothing, but that's just MHO.

Now, I will take issue with

I have an aquaintance who has had his guns stolen more times than I can count. He drags them out and shows them to every teenage friend that his sons bring into the house. He just stores them all in a closet.
In my opinion he and people like him only add to the crime problem. Such behavior is irresposible.

I will agree it's a bit dumb to show your guns to everyone, but how is keeping them in a closet, in YOUR house irresponsible and adding to the crime problem?
This is liberal BS at it's worst. (Sorry Fiveshooter, don't mean this as a personal attack, just launching at the idea itself). We have every right to expect that our possessions in our house will be there when we return. Someone breaks in and takes your TV or the nice China, so you're at fault because you didn't lock them in a safe? That's no different than guns. We should not have to place every last valuable in a damn safe in our own houses. Just because we don't doesn't mean we are irresponsible, or adding to the "crime problem" by "tempting" the criminals to steal stuff because it's only behind mere door locks.

Sorry, but what adds to the crime problem is letting these turds off time and again, not by owning stuff they want to steal. Leaving your garage open, or house unlocked when you're not home might be irresponsible, but you're not irresponsible if you don't lock every valuable thing in a safe.

 

[Krinkov]

That's right Magnum and furthermore I asked the DA a year ago to try and get the Feds to prosecute these guys on the Operation Exile beef which would have put them away for 30 years (felon in possession). No deal.

Why have the program if you aren't going to utilize it or is it just a good campaign slogan for politicians wanting to LOOK like they are tough on crime?

As you can plainly see all of these gentlemen (except for the skip) will SOON be back out on the streets where they will no doubt be back to their thuggery.

 

[Krinkov]

and by the way..the second one listed has since gotten a new felony charge against him...for assault and battery with a dangerous weapon.

Too bad the person he assaulted wasn't the idiot judge that let him back out.

 

[shep854]

I got hit a couple of years ago, and they got all my guns, except what I was carrying. They were in a sheet steel locker, but the perp simply popped the door off on the hinge side. By God's grace, they were caught almost immediately, and all the guns recovered but one revolver. The lead perp was a repeat offender, so he got hard time.

Since then, I kept my handguns with me, or hidden in my apartment. Rifles were kept at a pawn shop. Today, I received delivery of a true safe, and brought my rifles home. I still won't be completely comfortable until I have the thing bolted down in my own house.

 

[AF_INT1N0]

The judicial system has been accused of being too harsh with certain minorities (being vague here so I don't hurt anyone's sensibilities) and so in response they make ridiculous judgements from the bench.

Yes. And it is undermining the system.

Anyone who is on parole for murder and then gets caught with a stolen firearm should be held without bond.

No. They should be dead.. (Chlorine + Gene pool)

Why is it they haven't given you your guns back yet??

 

[greg531mi]

What I would do when that judge is up for reelection, is to smear his face in the facts of the bail hearing all over his district. After I was done with him, he couldn't run for dog catcher!!!

 

[cerberus]

I can see it

Quote:
persons who got caught with my guns were black
Relevance?
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I watch the early morning TV news about every crime that happened in my city the past night. Yeah I see the "Relevance" I sure don't see many white people in the police cars in handcuff's
And another thing IMHO the Judges get a kick back from the BailBond guys. So they are swift to grant bail before it's known the person is wanted.
This is just my own thoughts other might not agree. So no need to get this into a BIG BLACK/WHITE thing.

 

[orangeninja]

*holy crap*

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[Fiveshooter]

Good for you.

Magnum88C

I will agree it's a bit dumb to show your guns to everyone, but how is keeping them in a closet, in YOUR house irresponsible and adding to the crime problem?

Read my post again please. You obviously read something more than I wrote. The guy I am talking about has been hit SEVERAL times and each time the burgulars took several semi-auto rifles and ammunition. After the first time (or two at the most) he should learn that it is possible (likely) to happen again. In each case it put loaded guns in the wrong hands. Of course I blame the burglar for the crime but he is sure making it easy for them. As to if a person should lock thier valuables in a safe depends on the value of the items in question. If you have several thousand dollars invested in firearms then it is irresponsible (actually quite dumb) to say the least not to lock them away.
I to believe that you SHOULD be able to leave your house without locking up your valuables, but I am a realist and choose a safer method of storage.
If you choose to keep all yours in your closet thats fine by me I am assuming of course that if you got your guns stolen SEVERAL times that you would find a better method of storage. If my post offended you it was not my intent. Unless you fall into the "he and people like him" catagory you should find no offense. If you are in that catagory feel free to be as offended as you like

 

[Krinkov]

They are still holding the Sig Sauer because the guy skipped...it's going to be a long time before I see it again. I had it about two months and had shot it maybe twice...it was a brand new P229 in .357 sig.

One of the others still has a pending case involving the gun so dunno when I will get it back. It's a Colt DS II

The third gun is a Makarov .380 and I can get it as soon as the DA sends me the paperwork and she processes ity in court.

I can't believe I have to submit legal motions in court to obtain my property but whatever it takes, man.

 

[Fiveshooter]

Krinkov, Sorry for your loss.

Krinkov,
I am sorry to hear of your loss and I hope you get your guns back. I also hope they are in good shape when you get them back. Perhaps this time those guys get a conviction and get to share a concrete bedroom with a big guy named Bruno I would hate to have my property held against my will by the court system. I would worry the whole time it was gone. I have seen the way they handle things like guns. It makes me ill thinking about getting guns back with several added scratches and dings.

Good luck with it all,
Billy

 

[Gordon]

The first guy looks EXACTLTY like the fine young 'wanted to go to college' young man that got his butt shot to death in Salinas Calif last week doing an armed home invasion, same corn rows et al. Once again if you model you sef after a Gansta rapper -well you get the picture. BTW Connie rice and J.C. Watts are my heros along with Dr. Keyes. These criminals are a product of the welfare state and negative cultural heros and not a racial characteristic however.

 

[one-shot-one]

i don't know

what Krinkov's intent was when he said the thieves were black,
however we now have one piece of the description of person(s) we know have committed crimes in the past and now may be armed with a rifle and at large.
i have noticed that when i watch "cops"(tv) the responding officers tend to ask "was it a white guy black guy or hispanic etc.?"
do not just assume it is motivated by racism automaticly.

 

[Krinkov]

what is worse is that the rifle they stole was a AR-15 with several 30 rounders and about 900 rounds of South African 5.56mm.

Lovely thought isn't it?

 

[Magnum88C]

Fiveshooter:

Apparently I took your intent wrong. What struck me the wrong way was the "adding to the crime problem" statement. No matter how many times someone's been robbed, they aren't adding to the crime problem, the criminals who hit him are. I think it struck the "blaming the victim for the crime" nerve in me.

If that's not how you meant it, then I apologize for jumping on it so hard.

 

[Plinkerton]

I personally see no problem with stating that they were black. They were, and it's a fact.

At my university, a black student stole numerous books from the bookstore, and ran out the front door. He was caught, and made the first page of the campus newspaper. Also that week, 3 black youngsters were arrested after breaking into someones house close to campus, and accosting a female. They made the front page also.

After this, the newspaper was sent numerous letters about how all they write about is how blacks commit crimes, and that they are being racist. It gets a little old.

I am not racist in ANY way, and am probably one of the most liberal people here in these forums. But, when more times than less, the person who commits a crime that you hear about on the news is a minority, I don't think it's being racist.

Be it circumstance, or your parents, or where you live, or your friends growing up, etc. etc, it doesn't matter. Facts are facts, and if the guys who stole his guns are black, then they are black.

Statistically, minorities commit more crimes. Are the statistics skewed or wrong? Possibly so. Is it made up by white america, to keep the minorities in "their place"? Somewhat unlikely, but possibly so. So, take it for what you will, and believe it if you want.

Simple statements of facts are not racist. It's realistic, and it's just the way it is.

Hope everything works out.

 

[MyRoad]

...how is keeping them in a closet, in YOUR house irresponsible and adding to the crime problem?
This is liberal BS at it's worst. (...) We have every right to expect that our possessions in our house will be there when we return. Someone breaks in and takes your TV or the nice China, so you're at fault because you didn't lock them in a safe? That's no different than guns. We should not have to place every last valuable in a damn safe in our own houses. Just because we don't doesn't mean we are irresponsible, or adding to the "crime problem" by "tempting" the criminals to steal stuff because it's only behind mere door locks.

Sorry, but what adds to the crime problem is letting these turds off time and again, not by owning stuff they want to steal. Leaving your garage open, or house unlocked when you're not home might be irresponsible, but you're not irresponsible if you don't lock every valuable thing in a safe.

I totally disagree. No one is going to kill anyone with your fine china or your wife's jewelry, so you don't need to lock that up. But from what I understand, a majority of crimes committed with guns are committed with stolen guns... so, whether you like it or not, if you make it easy for a criminal to get your gun, he may kill someone with it. If it's untrue that crimes are committed with stolen guns, if that's liberal propaganda, damn, I bought it. I also bought a 5' tall 350lb. safe. Because I will do anything within my power to prevent someone from stealing my guns and using it in a crime -- that's my responsibility. My loved ones will never come home to find a junky who broke in with nothing more than a crowbar, sitting on our couch pointing one of my guns at them, because I didn't lock it up. Not gonna happen.

 

[one-shot-one]

i do not totally disagree

My guns reside in a safe and a locked gun cabinet, mostly because I still have kids a home.
If a crack addict steals my car and while high runs someone over, am I at fault for not having my car locked in a garage?
Criminals are responsible for their action and no one else.
I believe you give up your rights when you choose to victimize your fellow man. Those rights that I believe your give up are the right to life liberty and the pursuite of happiness.

 

[MyRoad]

Criminals are responsible for their action and no one else.

I appreciate and respect your point of view. For me, fine china and cars are not like handguns. I'm not aware of any crimes where a criminal drove up to someone, and told them "give me your wallet or I'll run you over". For me, while I can understand it philosophically, in practical terms it's just not the same.

 

[GILROY]

"As a matter of fact all the persons who got caught with my guns were black and all of them were either on parole or probation.

Pathetic"

Let me first say that I am a Black THR member. A very conservative one at that. I would suggest that the writer try and get to REALLY know a broader spectrum of people of different races and backgrounds. Then you would possibly understand that every "fact" does not need to be stated if they offer no real constructive benefit. Just maybe you would also understand that no matter whats in your real heart or mind, words will get you labeled and you have to be careful with them. I will not label you because I do not know you.
However, I did not get the impression that it was said to help identify the suspects. If they had been White, would you have stated that? I doubt it. We have all said something we should not have from time to time. I am as guilty as any, as I used to be quite a racist militant myself before I allowed the Lord Jesus Christ to renew my mind. Me, I just try to admit and learn from my mistakes, and always check my heart and attitudes to try and keep both righteous. Not an easy task in this day and age, but good men do it. I hope you will also. Flame away!

 

[Plinkerton]

I will say that when I initially read that comment, I thought "uh oh, he's gonna get some flak for that". I definitely see how and why it would be taken in a certain way, but another part of me thinks that people need to realize that being politically correct can be a little annoying at times. For example, people saying "african american" only, and considering the term "black" to be racist is a little extreme in my opinion. I am white, you are black. It's simple.

However, I am not black. So, I don't know what it feels like. I am 1/2 romanian though, and don't look quite "white". My name is a Hebrew name, and I am a Jew. I have been around MANY instances of people saying derogatory things about Jews. I realize that people are like that, and that's the way the world is. It doesn't bother me now, it didn't bother me then, and it never will.

If your intentions are good, than I have no problem with you. I definitely don't understand racism, and think it's at the bottom of the intelligence ladder.

If you were saying they were black as fact, then say it, and don't worry about what anyone else says. You are entitled to your own opinion, and as long as you understand that you may be misunderstood, I'd rather hear your real opinion, than a fake PC one.

If you were saying they were black, and insinuating that with a little or some eyerolling, than I would say that you are still entitled to your opinion, but I don't completely agree.

Racists piss me off a little, and I think it's a bit ridiculous in this day and age. I'm from California, and I'm sure you know very well of our Mexican population. It's part of our lives.

I don't know where I'm going with this. Overall, I would never fault what you say, because it's your opinion, and you are completely entitled to it, no matter whose feelings you hurt. Just realize the ramifications. I've heard enough people say "I hate "n" word, and I hate "the 'k' word for Jews" etc. etc.

It's sad, but that's how it is.

 

[InfernoMDM]

Hey now I had a case for everyone of my BB guns as a kid. Hell I took care of them better then I do my AK.... then again the Ak isnt ment to be taken care of as well.

Holly PISS..... If I told you that two of my friends were held up with a knife by some white kid would that make it racist? Im white my friends are white. If he came on here and said "it figures some black guy" (NOT A REAL QUOTE FROM KRINKOV) then I'd be suspect. :banghead: I'll just remeber if some guy of latin decent ever does anything to me to say, "a male of probably non north american decent, or a tan, or slightly singed skin"

 

[Fiveshooter]

No Apologies Needed

Magnum 88C,
You owe me no apologies sir. After reading my original post a few times I feel I could have used a better choice of words to convey my thoughts. I can understand how someone could misunderstand my intent. I was not meaning to imply that any person owning guns should have them locked in a safe. That kind of thinking is really wrong as it implies that anyone who can't afford a safe should not have guns. A guy on a limited budget may need a gun for self defense far more than he needs a safe to keep it in. To deny him that gun is indeed "Liberal B.S.". Also I never meant to imply that victims are responsible for crime. This idea is more "Liberal B.S." as well. I have to admit that by the time I got my first gun safe I had guns hidden all over the house. When I made the decision to buy a safe my motives were more self serving than "noble" I was not trying to keep my guns from bringing harm to the public. I was trying to keep the public from bringing harm to my guns . I take it from your original post you are not a "Liberal" That alone tells me we have more to agree about than to disagree about. Janet Reno is more likely to win a beauty pageant than I am to cast a vote for a liberal candidate

Best Wishes,
Billy

 

[Fiveshooter]

Fantasy News Flash

Krinkov Wrote:

what is worse is that the rifle they stole was a AR-15 with several 30 rounders and about 900 rounds of South African 5.56mm.

Well if they use the gun in a crime I hope it is a murder/suicide and the headlines read as follows:

NEWS FLASH: Enraged burglar kills all accomplices in firearms theft then turns gun on self. Fortunately no other people were injured. The stolen rifle along with the remaining amunition has been reuntied with their original owner.

OK so it's fantasy but it would be a great ending and the world would be a little better off without those worthless pieces of fecal matter regardless of what color they are
I bet Krinkov would not even mind getting back a few less rounds on ammo if used in such a manner

 

[psyopspec]

Magnum88c

We have every right to expect that our possessions in our house will be there when we return.

We also have the right to walk down the street without coming under the threat of mortal danger from our fellow man, yet most of us on this board carry.

I have a modest collection of guns, but no safe at this time. However, a relative does own one and everything but my carry piece resides comfortably there. Naturally, I have the right to leave my weapons unsecured on my premisis, but I certainly would waive the right to whine if they were stolen while unsecured.