Dont Hurt me tooo much! Just a theory!

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Actually if you look in England and Europe, there are a LOT of BMW police cars. In America you see a lot of Crown Vics as police cars because GM stopped producing the Caprice Classic / Impala full sized auto. You do see a LOT of Tahoe/ Yukon police rigs. If you price out a well equiped Tahoe.. and I mean well equiped, to the luxery line of a BMW interior, the Tahoe will cost near that of a BMW. I don't know what a stripped down police version BMW costs, as they don't sell them here. ala, hard plastic rear seat, non leather front, minimal interior
 
Actually if you look in England and Europe, there are a LOT of BMW police cars.
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They also pay less for the car and much less for maintenance than we do since they do not import the parts.
 
JohnBiltz said:
My memory was the Glock was not under consideration in XM9 trials because it did not meet the double action requirement.
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I'm pretty sure that the BATF has classified the Glock Safe-Action as DAO...it is what qualified them for a lot of their LE contracts

REAPER4206969 said:
The Glock was never submitted into the XM9 trials. It wasn't even imported until 1986.
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This was my error, they were invited and declined to participate. According to:

Kasler, Peter Alan: Glock: The New Wave in Combat Handguns, page 2. Paladin Press, 1992...via Wiki
In late 1983, the United States Department of Defense inquired about the Glock pistol and received four samples of the Glock 17 for unofficial evaluation. Glock was then invited to participate in the XM9 Personal Defense Pistol Trials, but declined because the DOD specifications would require extensive retooling of production equipment and providing 35 test samples in an unrealistic time frame.
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What I meant was cops get them through their agency in other words issued by the department. My info came direct from a Cop I know when they switched from the 4506 to the Glock 21. It could have been that low because they traded the 4506s for the Glocks.
 
Few cops are shooters. Most of them never fire a gun beyond their required qualification shoots and Glock is marketed to that lowest common denominator shooter. The manual of arms is simple - draw, pull trigger... There's no "complicated" things like safeties or the difference between DA and SA to learn, so you save a lot in money in training.

Glock marked a return to the simple recognition that the average cop isn't a shooter. Back in the day, cops were issued DA revolvers for the same reasons - simplicity, and the simple recognition that most cops aren't shooters. Then, in the seventies they began flirting with various DA/SA "wonder nines" and ran into all kinds of problems; accidental shootings, cops freezing up under stress and not remembering to flick off the safety, etc. Along came Glock with the high capacity of the wonder nine, and the simplicity of the DA revolver. It was the solution.
 
Glock is marketed to that lowest common denominator shooter.
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I think it is designed to be simple to operate. Considering some world champion competitors shoot glocks, I don't think all of us are "the lowest common denominator."

All of a sudden I feel like the lowest form of shooter out there when you word it like that. :neener:
 
priler said:
seems like sometimes events that occur get lost in time and memory.

i was still a teenager when it was happening,all across americas there was this talk on the news about some pistol called glock that would pass airport security because it was made of plastic.

all the antis were really pushing this issue and being the ignorant soals that they are,didn't really notice or care that they were giving this new pistol one of the biggest free publicity ever given any manufacturer. it was like free advertisement on billboards all across the country.


now,i'm not saying that this is the main/only reason for it's popularity to this day,the fact that it happened to come along at this particular time and touted as some form of new spaced-aged polymer gun,which it was at the time,and that it's had enough time to cement itself in the mind of the public before any of the other manufacturers even had time to blink,certainly played it's part too,..but the anti campain played it's part to a certain extent.i'm telling you,this was huge back then.


the fact that here was a light weight pistol that also happen to be very reliable and that according to glock would solve any officer related troubles because of it's unique,simple to operate and safe trigger system,also caught everyones attention.further,glocks price point to agencies could not be beat and that's all she wrote.

fact is,it was a series of events that led to glock firmly establishing itself and that all the other manufacturers would have to deal with.

never mind that glocks' original intent was to produce a sidearms for the austrian army in the snow,we've had polymer pistols ever since but they were bound to come regardless,..glock just dramatically sped the process.

funny thing is,when i got to hold one in my hands for the first time,i was not sold.in fact,to this day i tend to draw a line between glocks,including any others who try to imitate either their triggers or grip angles,and others.the blame for that fully falls on a walther p88 i had at that time and i'm thankful for that because across that line opposite the glocks stands many other wonderful makes,many of which include polymer.

i remember so many 1911 fans really crying foul,almost all of which eventually would get glocks.now that's funny too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmHNfWRw-qg
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While most people believe Glock invented the first polymer pistol, it was in fact HK. The first polymer pistol on the market was the HK VP70, which was introduced approximately 12 years before the Glock. No arguments here about which is best, just correcting misinformation.
 
I think it is designed to be simple to operate.
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Yeah, in the same way that a DA revolver is simple to operate. Read one of these "My G/F wants a gun" threads and note all the "Buy her a .38" replies. Yet, being simple for a novice doesn't stop famous shooters like McGivern or Miculek from doing amazing things with such revolvers.

Glock is not my cup of tea, but they do fit a wide range of needs. For police agencies they allow them to take novice shooters to at least minimal proficiency without a lot of time devoted to training. At the same time, good shooters can run a Glock very well indeed.
 
Now.... Why dont they have BMWS? They are fast and will obviously get the job done way quicker.


But you need to go to the dealer to read the OBD when you get a check engine light (as with other high end cars). You can get a code reader for the Crown Vic anywhere.
 
tiffa said:
Now, why did I mention the cops owning them? I would have to start by saying they sure as heck dont drive BMWS......
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I believe BMW motorcycles are one of the top motorcycles used by police...

Most of the police agencies in my area use SIG p229s....hardly cheap
 
But you need to go to the dealer to read the OBD when you get a check engine light (as with other high end cars). You can get a code reader for the Crown Vic anywhere.
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I've worked with inventory systems for agencies. One in particular implemented a new system (my reason for being there) and switched to a new vehicle all at once. It was the result of new managers not doing ROI research or any other type of in-depth fiscal study.

The result? A complete re-tooling of the shop (specialty tools and diagnostic stuff), a complete restocking of parts, completely retraining technicians that needed it and TONS of money spent for no real gain other than switching brands. Overall, it was one of the biggest disasters from the top down that I ever witnessed...all because their new chief wanted a different brand.

Glock is not my cup of tea, but they do fit a wide range of needs. For police agencies they allow them to take novice shooters to at least minimal proficiency without a lot of time devoted to training. At the same time, good shooters can run a Glock very well indeed.
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I've often answered questions for friends and coworkers about new firearm purchases. I usually tell them that a glock is fine if you are starting fresh, but if you aren't then you may have a learning curve. When I first bought one, I was horrible with it. I changed a few things, practiced more often and found out it was only as good as I ran it...much like anything else (except BHP's, everyone seems to be a marksman when they pick one up!).

I view them as "lowest common denominator"-proof as opposed to being "lowest common denominator"-oriented. :)

Read one of these "My G/F wants a gun" threads and note all the "Buy her a .38" replies.
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Yeah...for some reason every female needs a 38 revolver if you listen to the general consensus. If a guy asks the same question, they get the "shoot them all and see which you like" response. Odd.
 
I'm just rying to understand how thw thread title "don't hurt me too much" has anything to do with the topic...
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Any glock or 1911 related topics usually get you replies with a sometimes overzealous fervor....much like 9mm and 45 threads.
 
BMW built a plant here in SC and as part of their wooing of the state gave the highway patrol a bunch of 5 series. I'd be willing to bet BMW threw in service as well. There are at least some cops out there pimping around in bimmers. Lots of BMW bikes in the SCHWP patrol also, but I don't know if those were "freebies".
 
Those Crown Vics and Dodge Chargers ain't cheap at all.

-The Crown Vic and Dodge are fairly robust as far as cars go.
-Parts and repairs are easy to get.
-European cars chases are far less "energetic" than American chases. Plenty of highway patrol stations literally have a pile of a dozen+ wrecked cruisers parked in the back of the lot. If BMW's were cheaper and easier to replace............

-Deos BMW offer a heavy duty option pack? American cruisers have a few options that make a considerable difference.

-European's are better drivers. Can't argue that at all. It's a fairly safe bet that an officer from Finland could out drive allmost any officer from Ohio. When was the last time you saw a cruiser with a stick and clutch?

I bet I can find 2 dozen youtube vids for American cruisers sliding into a ditch on a wet/snowy road for every European vids.

And Europe has Sabine Schmitz.:p
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Really odd when you think about how much potential the US has for some real roads and higher speed limits.

-Police depts. don't usually assign a car to an officer. Many officers hop into whatever car is available (at least at many of the depts I've visited this year).

This breeds a lack of care in the driving of said vehicle. If you know your stuck with a car for 3 years, you take care of it. Even in my own Fleet, it's easy to see. Assigned rides last about 150-250k miles, and special purpose vehicles that everyone shares generally are toast in 75k.

When cars get turned in, scrapped, sold so frequently in fleets; spending an extra $10,000 to go from Charger to a BMW isn't worth it. Many dept's go through cars very quickly.

-BMW makes some great motorcycles for police. Too bad they're far from what I'd call reliable. I'd love a GS800. But a KTM Adventure 990 is a far better machine.





So the Glock-Car-BMW analogy is a fail. Glock still rules IDPA. It's the only pistol substantially different than a 1911 that can actually keep up with a 1911.

No need to quantify cheap, or whatever, beyond the fact that the target and the stopwatch can't lie to us. Glocks rule.
 
Police departments need a sidearm that is reliable, durable, easy to shoot, easy to maintain, inexpensive, and warrantied. Glock can provide all that better than any other firearms manufacturer.

High-volume and competitive shooters have similar requirements, which is why Glocks are popular in those circles as well.

-C
 
The Glock is the Toyota Corolla of guns. It's not pretty or fast, and it doesn't corner well.... but, it will always start and get you there.

If you want the BMW of guns, get a Hi Power.
 
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