Dont talk politics while Hunting.

[MT GUNNY]

I went hunting with my dad last weekend whitch i do every year near the end of the season. while on this hunt we got to talking about gun rights and so on. I mentiond how i disliked hilary r clinton and how she is so anti gun. He said because she is demacrate he would vote for her if she was running aginst any repulican. He is a avid hunter and gun enthousyest reloader ect.. I tried to tell him that she and others was the one that help start the assultweapon ban whitch we all know limited high cap mags and other things for severall years a while back. he also said fullauto weapons should be ban, I told him to get a full auto weapon you have to go through lots of leagle liscening stuff and so forth. I personaly would love to leagly oun one. He says "any body that can work a bolt action dont need a fully auto rifle semiauto is fine" We both feel that bad guys dont need guns as long as it dont afect me and my firearms.

My dad works his but off Even though he souldnt now he still finds work when he should retire.
he was in the military when he was younger, lives in a small town all his life,
and worked in a wood mill (union) and is also a jurnyman electrcion.
as for me he raised me with good values and beliefs. I just recently started
to get interested in politics cuz i dont wont my right to bear arms infringed I dont know what i am as far as dem or rep.

I realy dont have a question just want some thoughts.
Has any body ran into a situation like this.
I dont want a dem vs rep discution please.
please dont tell me how bad my spelling is

 

[DerringerUser]

Hmm, i wouldn't go any further. Debates between father and son can get nasty, just avoid the subject. I vote Democrat, so I probably will have a biased if I tell you everything about dems or repubs.

I would stick to what I said before, don't get into debates with your dad. It can end nasty for one of you.

 

[FTF]

Your dad is entitled to his opinions just as you are. Your likeliehood of changing them at his age is slim But it doesn't hurt to try!

Respect his opinions, voice yours with the same respect and let it go at that.

Democrats or Republicans, guns aren't the only issue... they may be to you, but they don't have to be. Nobody is demanding you think that. Whatever you think is fine, you don't need our approval or that of anyone else from the internet for that matter.

Your spelling sucks lol. Try reading more... it almost forces better grammer upon you.

 

[RNB65]

#1 rule in life: Never argue politics with the old man.

 

[Ed Ames]

One of the most important lessons you will ever learn is that decent, respectable, even honorable people may totally disagree with you on fundamental issues, issues you think are very important... and that disagreement doesn't make them evil, stupid, or crazy.

Many good, intelligent, and morally upstanding people will vote for Hillary (if she runs) for a host of reasons... just as many good, intelligent, and morally upstanding people voted for George W. Bush. Those good people may be strangers, or family members... but in every case they have a right to their opinion just as you have a right to yours... and your disagreement doesn't make their opinion wrong or them evil.

You should be grateful that your father respects you enough to tell you his views. And you should return that respect by politely telling him yours. Enjoy the freedom that allows you to disagree without losing respect for each other, and without vilifying each other.

please dont tell me how bad my spelling is

please download and use Firefox 2.0... it has a snazzy spell check feature...

 

[Don Gwinn]

You can't tell your dad what to think, and you can't tell people on the internet not to be spelling Nazis. It's what we do.

It sounds like your dad's not been paying much attention to the question of gun rights, so if you want to change his mind, bring some facts. Don't tell him "You have to go through lots of legal stuff to own a machine gun." Lay out the costs and the licensing involved. If you don't know what they are, then learn (or stop lecturing dad about it.)

My grandfather gave me the lecture one year as we were butchering deer; honest people couldn't vote for anyone but Democrats because everything the working man ever got, he got from the Democrats. That's the result of having grown up in the 1930's on stories of mine riots and people being shot for demanding fair pay and ten-hour days. His father remembered those things vividly and raised him to understand that he was Labor and he'd better not forget it.

I just told him I *AM* a working man and I don't want my property taken from me by the government that clais to be "giving" me things. Then I dropped it; there was no point.
I spend more time arguing with my Republican grandpa on the other side; he enjoys a good scrap.

 

[shermacman]

please dont tell me how bad my spelling is

Why? Your spelling and grammar detract from your message. Your message is important: arguments, debates and discussions are the life blood of democracy. Family relationships are the glue that hold together this country.

You write a compelling story but make it difficult to understand because of the way it is presented.

 

[Leatherneck]

Things continue to change in the USA. Children of the depression had a very different life experience than us today. And frankly, small-town, rural or blue-collar people (from whom I come) are not the best at keeping up with the fundamental changes since the 30s and 40s. They have little need to be at the point of these changes; IMO, ignorance is bliss. The Democrats today no more resemble the depression-era Dems than do the republicans today act like the GOP of the earlier years. All is changing, and the more they change, the more they look like each other. There isn't a spit's difference between mainstream Dems and Republicans today.

The extremeists of both parties are farther apart than ever before, methinks.

TC

 

[57Coastie]

please download and use Firefox 2.0... it has a snazzy spell check feature...

M$ Word also has a nice spelling/grammar check feature, Lucas. I copied your posting into Word, spell-checked it and Bill Gates reported 59 spelling and grammar errors and a Flesch-Kincaid 7th grade level.

Young fellow, and I think that I am justified in using that adjective, in the dim past of our species written language originated as a means of communication. When you look at the replies to your post I hope you recognize that any point you were trying to make was overwhelmed by the readers' focusing instead on the almost illiterate nature of your communication. Therefore you failed miserably in the point of your communication -- not because you necessarily did not have a good point, but rather because you did not communicate it to the rest of us.

You have received a real bunch of constructive advice here, and one would hope you take it to heart. You will never regret doing so. The others and I all intend our comments to be constructive, and not insulting.

If your problem is just youth, understand that we have all been there, but most of us grew up a little bit before entering into debates with our elders.

Hint: if you want to continue to chat with your elders about serious matters, you can be well-served by first typing your message in M$ Word, spell/grammar checking it, copying it into the clipboard, and then in turn copying it into your forum post. You might be amazed at the difference in the reception of your posts. For example, as an experiment I did just that with this reply, and it is reported to be at 9th grade level. A little improvement.

This may be useless trivia, but it may also be food for thought. You will learn something by doing this, even before you get to the subject in school.

All the very best to you.

 

[utahminirevolver]

I know what you mean. I don't talk politics with my dad anymore, just weather, family, work, etc.

All the time I was growing up, he was a staunch conservative. Somewhere along the line, he changed to the point where he recommended a Noam Chomsky book.

How did that old rock song go? "Just look at them and sigh, and know they love you" (teach your children/parents well).

 

[mr_dove]

Perhaps the writer has a learning or writing disorder. I hesitate to be overly harsh despite the fact that I couldn't finish reading because of it.

 

[.38 Special]

There is a saying to the effect that you shouldn't discuss religion or politics with anyone you'd like to keep as a friend.

 

[gezzer]

What is this place the spelling and gramar nazi board? :banghead:

 

[Froggy]

Old Joke: If you are not a liberal at 20 years of age, you don't have a heart. If you are not a conservative by the time you reach 40, you don't have a brain.

It's been my observation that many 40-year old conservatives start leaning left as they get older. People vote their purses, which is another way of saying they vote their interests, and the Dems seem to be better at playing to the interests of that particular segment of society. I guess, in a way, your Dad is saying that gun rights rank below his other concerns, so he is siding with the Dems.

But I'll agree with the sentiments expressed above -- don't talk politics with friends or relatives. I've never met anyone, Dem or Rep, who changed his political position based on a debate with anyone. All the debate does is divide the debaters.

The best you can do is let him "discover" anti-gun politics of whatever party on his own, and let him decide how important that is to him. As my Dad says, "you can't tell anyone anything. You have to show them."

 

[.38 Special]

What is this place the spelling and gramar nazi board?

In my defense, I had my tagline before Lucas showed up to mangle the language, so it's not in response to him.

BTW, you misspelled "grammar".

 

[vito]

I'm a 63 year old father and grandfather, and I avoid talking politics with my five children. Although I am a retired Army officer, shooter and NRA member, and an almost lifelong conservative, several of my children are left wing, anti-gun liberals. I gently tried to get them to see the issue of guns and the 2nd Amendment in a balanced light by buying them gift memberships in the NRA with subscriptions to NRA magazines. My two oldest sons (one a former LEO) were actually angered by my generosity, and my two daughters both rolled their eyes but didn't seem to object. I'm sad to say that only my youngest, my 12 year old son, shares my love of guns and shooting as a hobby. I am working on him to understand the value of his rights, and maybe we'll have one conservative in the next generation.

 

[Car Knocker]

BTW, you misspelled "grammar".

And it only took 15 posts to bring up the word "nazi".

 

[GoRon]

Sometimes being right in a discussion isn't as important as maintaining the friendship.

On a side note, if you use Mozilla/Firefox as your browser it has spell check built in. Shows you misspelled words as you are typing them. My spelling has actually gotten better using spell check. It has made me aware of some of my common mistakes.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Some folks are just like that, Lucas. My father was a card-carrying Republican for his entire life. It was against the family rules for him to talk politics with my mother's parents. They were Republicans, too -- but if they thought a Republican in a certain election was a jerk and that the Democrat running against him was the better person for the job, they'd vote for the Democrat. My father just couldn't deal with the concept of voting for the best candidate -- for him it HAD to be straight Republican, no matter what.

Your father has likely been brainwashed by the union to believe the lie that the Democrats represent the working man.

 

[gunsmith]

where on mozilla is the spell check?

I use it(mzzla) and can not find it.(spllchck)
I use a spell check once in awhile....
If your message is so badly mangled that it is unreadable
(as was the op) then the message will be lost.
I have a very liberal friend who writes the same way, it's impossible
to have a coherent online disscussion with him.
I suspect the young mans dad feels as if he is much smarter then his son.
I'm not saying spelling and grammer should be perfect...what matters is being understood & the op was not.

 

[GoRon]

where on Mozilla is the spell check?

It is built into v2.0 which is relatively new.

Sent you a IM gunsmith.

 

[Franco2shoot]

Effective communications

While most have dinged you and quite correctly about the spelling/grammar, for my two cents, and to those that commented on the spelling issue, I would like to point out that this young man is a product of our educational system. My own 21 year old son, now in college suffers a similar poor spelling affliction. I recognized the error in teaching, but could not change the system.. When he was younger the educators felt that it was more important to focus on the thought process and absolutely overlooked the functions that phonetics provide in learning how to spell.. “Don’t worry, we have spell checkers.” And now my son is paying the price. Those same buffoons are now long gone, retired from the teaching profession and we are left with a generation that struggles to communicate correctly without the assistance of a computer. What troubles me is there is very little hope for correction of this situation. With my second son, teachers returned to phonetic basics, but still do not do much for spelling. My wife and I have had to do the job of the educator forcing spelling games, and other creative means to supplement what should be taught in the normal nine to five school day instead of Bananas and Condoms. Hidden within these comments, at least to my mind, is the difference between Republicans and Democrats.

KKKKFL

 

[saltydog]

My dad and I never argue over political issues as we don't see much difference between either partie (on some issues).

Now here at the High Road, that might be a little different.

 

[Ed Ames]

I would like to point out that this young man is a product of our educational system

BS. I'm a "product of our education system" too... And you know what? It is more important to concentrate on thought processes. It is more important to "learn how to learn". More important to learn how to communicate...but it is not necessary to misspell quite that many words. Firefox has a spell checker, so does the free word processor Open Office. Anyone with spelling problems should be using a spell checker for everything they write. Certainly everything they publish in a forum such as this one. Otherwise they'll never improve.

When I was in my teens and twenties needed a spell checker for everything. My spelling was as bad as Meriwether Lewis'. Have you ever read Lewis and Clark's Journals? They would've loved to have modern spell checkers I'm sure. They didn't, I do... modern technology is great. Through repeated use of that modern technology my spelling has improved and I can now write letters like this one without a single spelling error. Yet I still prefer to have a spell checker (such as the one built into Firefox 2.0, which underlines every misspelling in red) available.

Spell checkers are the writing equivalent of paper targets. They show you your errors and help you to improve. Do you try to shoot only from memory? As in, someone taught you how to shoot when you were 10 and now you just go hunting once a year and that's it? Or do you use targets that will show you how well you shoot? And continuously retrain yourself to maintain your abilities? Using a spell checker is different from practicing with paper targets in only one respect: with a spell checker, all the writing you do becomes spelling practice, so you improve even quicker.

The only downside to spell checking is a tendency towards malapropisms... and with a little experience (or a dictionary) those eventually go away.

 

[Art Eatman]

This is not a thread about spelling and grammar, regardless of how correct folks are in their comments. Had there been one polite comment early on, fine. But everybody and his dog jumping in, in public forum, is just way too much. There is a reason for the PM feature.

Good advice was given about discussions of politics with family members. Enough good advice was given that no more is necessary.

Art