jimmyraythomason
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Every aisle of the local superstore has ceiling cameras covering the entire store. Shrinkage isn't a big problem here. FWIW,honest people don't steal regardless of how bad the economy is.
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Rundownfid
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I must be very discouraging to Wal-Mart that firearms and Ammo sales are so difficult for so little profit. They sell Ammo and firearms, where they do, at considerable discount. They didn't "price gouge" when they could have recently so were often castigated for not having any product. Some municipalities and states don't allow the sale of Guns or Ammo. In all jurisdictions there are special laws for guns; often at the local, state and federal level. Yet they continue to sell firearms and ammunition where legal and where the sales volume warrant it. Their reward is a small profit and gun owners complaining that they are anti-gun. It is amazing to me that they bother to handle guns and ammo, yet they do; I guess that desire to make a profit thing is pretty powerful. Lets not make it a loosing proposition for them. I like being able to drop by a Wal Mart and get a box of 100 White box on ;the way to the match I didn't have time to load ammo for.
If you want to see a manager jump around here, go to customer service, ask for manager. If one doesn't show up shortly, ask for the store number, name of manager on duty and call 1-800-Wal-Mart. Start the complaint in front of the Service Desk.
Now, if you complain, you should also complement good service at 1-800-Wal-Mart. You ever wonder why so many employees OBVIOUSLY have their name tags turned around backwards? If you ask for a name, the good ones will give you theirs...
Corporate usually follows up for us within a couple of days.
Now, if you complain, you should also complement good service at 1-800-Wal-Mart. You ever wonder why so many employees OBVIOUSLY have their name tags turned around backwards? If you ask for a name, the good ones will give you theirs...
Corporate usually follows up for us within a couple of days.
TheGrimReaper
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Yes, if they don't feel comfortable selling it to you they can refuse to sell it to you.
scmerrill71
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the only guns the walmart sells near me are muzzleloaders....they dropped everything else 2 years ago. so be lucky you can get anything at all from them.
Backpacker33
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Walmart
Does Walmart have the right to deny the sale?
We have a serious problem in Milwaukee WI with the only remaining gun dealer in the city. Actually, they are on the edge of the city. It seems that a large number of guns recovered at crime scenes, including the shootings of city police officers, came from them (Badger Arms) through straw sales.
The fascist multi-millionaire mayor and his anti-civil libertarian sycophants want more redundant laws to, they say, prosecute the straw buyers/sellers. Since nearly ALL of them skate on the extant federal felony, it should be obvious the goal is not to prosecute them under state law.
How does this relate to your experience at Walmart? I have been in Badger Guns when someone was trying to buy a gun. In all cases they were black people. Because of the city harassment (the cops lurk nearby and if anyone leaves Badger with a parcel on the front seat, they get stopped and searched) of customers, the staff forcefully grills prospective buyers about the sale. What I don't understand is why a civil rights organization hasn't sued Badger for discrimination.
Imagine if you (and especially if you were black) went into a car dealer and they grilled you at length on whether you were going to use the car for robbing banks, abducting children, running red lights, etc. Would you stay there and buy a car after that?
One day I observed a grilling of a black couple at the counter and saw the owner or manager go into the office and make a call. Turned out he had called the BATFE to say he thought he might have a straw purchase going on. He asked them what he should do. They, like the Milwaukee PD, said "Make the sale." That way, they explained, they could at least trace the gun.
And that, of course, means "trace it to Badger." The mayor and the PD chief don't tell us that.
So, can Walmart way "No?" Yep. Most businesses have a policy, sometimes posted, along the lines of "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." When used against black people, these policies were defeated only by extensive law suits.
My question to you is Why did you go back? I will never ever buy any firearms or related equipment from Walmart because here in Wisconsin they sponsor those hideous "buy back" schemes. In my home town they did that and a local gun club set up a station just outside their parking lot (the store got the cops to shoe them off the premises). It apparently did discourage some people from giving up their guns to the sham, but I scratched Walmart off my shopping list.
Some years before that I went in there to buy ammo - .22LR - to take my sons to the range. The nearest gun store is 12 miles the other direction and I wanted to save time. The woman behind the counter berated me for exposing my children to such a thing. I slammed the ammo down on the counter and demanded to see the manager. She apologized and offered to make the sale. I said "No" and drove the 12 miles.
I don't boycott Walmart, they do offer too many things at attractive prices, but not firearms or related equipment. Not camping or backpacking either, just because.
-Backpacker 33
Does Walmart have the right to deny the sale?
We have a serious problem in Milwaukee WI with the only remaining gun dealer in the city. Actually, they are on the edge of the city. It seems that a large number of guns recovered at crime scenes, including the shootings of city police officers, came from them (Badger Arms) through straw sales.
The fascist multi-millionaire mayor and his anti-civil libertarian sycophants want more redundant laws to, they say, prosecute the straw buyers/sellers. Since nearly ALL of them skate on the extant federal felony, it should be obvious the goal is not to prosecute them under state law.
How does this relate to your experience at Walmart? I have been in Badger Guns when someone was trying to buy a gun. In all cases they were black people. Because of the city harassment (the cops lurk nearby and if anyone leaves Badger with a parcel on the front seat, they get stopped and searched) of customers, the staff forcefully grills prospective buyers about the sale. What I don't understand is why a civil rights organization hasn't sued Badger for discrimination.
Imagine if you (and especially if you were black) went into a car dealer and they grilled you at length on whether you were going to use the car for robbing banks, abducting children, running red lights, etc. Would you stay there and buy a car after that?
One day I observed a grilling of a black couple at the counter and saw the owner or manager go into the office and make a call. Turned out he had called the BATFE to say he thought he might have a straw purchase going on. He asked them what he should do. They, like the Milwaukee PD, said "Make the sale." That way, they explained, they could at least trace the gun.
And that, of course, means "trace it to Badger." The mayor and the PD chief don't tell us that.
So, can Walmart way "No?" Yep. Most businesses have a policy, sometimes posted, along the lines of "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." When used against black people, these policies were defeated only by extensive law suits.
My question to you is Why did you go back? I will never ever buy any firearms or related equipment from Walmart because here in Wisconsin they sponsor those hideous "buy back" schemes. In my home town they did that and a local gun club set up a station just outside their parking lot (the store got the cops to shoe them off the premises). It apparently did discourage some people from giving up their guns to the sham, but I scratched Walmart off my shopping list.
Some years before that I went in there to buy ammo - .22LR - to take my sons to the range. The nearest gun store is 12 miles the other direction and I wanted to save time. The woman behind the counter berated me for exposing my children to such a thing. I slammed the ammo down on the counter and demanded to see the manager. She apologized and offered to make the sale. I said "No" and drove the 12 miles.
I don't boycott Walmart, they do offer too many things at attractive prices, but not firearms or related equipment. Not camping or backpacking either, just because.
-Backpacker 33
Average Joe
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1. Don't drive a motor vehicle and talk on the phone.
2. Don't talk on the phone and buy a gun.
2. Don't talk on the phone and buy a gun.
i think the bottom line is dont buy guns at wal-mart
most of the gun counter workers dont know ANYTHING about firearms
i dont even like buying ammo at wallyworld anymore for two reasons
1.they never have any most times
2.the workers are unknowledgeable about EVERYTHING in that department
my local walmart denied having .45ACP for two weeks straight because the dummy behind the counter didnt know that acp was different than colt (long colt)
ive only bought one firearm from them (ruger 10/22) and the hastle it was to even get the purchase complete (40 minutes for a manager to aprove the sale and walk me to a door) id much rather pay a little more with a local FFL than bother with walmart
most of the gun counter workers dont know ANYTHING about firearms
i dont even like buying ammo at wallyworld anymore for two reasons
1.they never have any most times
2.the workers are unknowledgeable about EVERYTHING in that department
my local walmart denied having .45ACP for two weeks straight because the dummy behind the counter didnt know that acp was different than colt (long colt)
ive only bought one firearm from them (ruger 10/22) and the hastle it was to even get the purchase complete (40 minutes for a manager to aprove the sale and walk me to a door) id much rather pay a little more with a local FFL than bother with walmart
ArfinGreebly
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No Manager Override
I shop at the Wal-Mart locally (Post Falls) on occasion. The gal that works the gun counter is a hunter safety instructor. She shoots competitive Black Powder.
She was telling me about a sale she had denied the day before because there was "just something" about the guy.
Her manager was standing there while we chatted about this, and he added that the guy had called him over to "override" the clerk's denial.
Sorry, no can do.
It is evidently Wal-Mart's policy that no level of manager can override a clerk's denial decision.
According to the clerks and managers I've spoken to at their gun counters, their transactions are closely scrutinized and any clerk or manager who costs the local store its FFL license (as happened in South Reno) can expect to lose his job in the same breath.
It makes them a little extra-sensitive.
BTW, in case you didn't know, there are three long guns that can only be obtained at Wal-Mart. There's a deer rifle and a shotgun (both models & brands I've forgotten) and the Ruger 10/22 long-barreled stainless rifle. Go ahead, look for that Ruger long-barreled stainless 10/22 for sale, new, in any other store. At all.
Evidently when Sam was still alive he signed some contracts with a few makers for special versions of three guns, the Ruger long 10/22 being one, such that those particular pieces cannot be sold new anywhere else.
I bought mine in Reno. I was well aware that I was going to be in for an over-managed transaction, but I wanted that particular 10/22, so I just relaxed and went with it.
I have found it helps to befriend the regular gun counter clerk, when possible. Makes them a little more comfortable, and you can wind up with delivery-preview information that might otherwise not be forthcoming. ("We've got a shipment of 9mm Blazer Brass coming in tonight; be on the shelf after 10pm.") That can be useful.
I shop at the Wal-Mart locally (Post Falls) on occasion. The gal that works the gun counter is a hunter safety instructor. She shoots competitive Black Powder.
She was telling me about a sale she had denied the day before because there was "just something" about the guy.
Her manager was standing there while we chatted about this, and he added that the guy had called him over to "override" the clerk's denial.
Sorry, no can do.
It is evidently Wal-Mart's policy that no level of manager can override a clerk's denial decision.
According to the clerks and managers I've spoken to at their gun counters, their transactions are closely scrutinized and any clerk or manager who costs the local store its FFL license (as happened in South Reno) can expect to lose his job in the same breath.
It makes them a little extra-sensitive.
BTW, in case you didn't know, there are three long guns that can only be obtained at Wal-Mart. There's a deer rifle and a shotgun (both models & brands I've forgotten) and the Ruger 10/22 long-barreled stainless rifle. Go ahead, look for that Ruger long-barreled stainless 10/22 for sale, new, in any other store. At all.
Evidently when Sam was still alive he signed some contracts with a few makers for special versions of three guns, the Ruger long 10/22 being one, such that those particular pieces cannot be sold new anywhere else.
I bought mine in Reno. I was well aware that I was going to be in for an over-managed transaction, but I wanted that particular 10/22, so I just relaxed and went with it.
I have found it helps to befriend the regular gun counter clerk, when possible. Makes them a little more comfortable, and you can wind up with delivery-preview information that might otherwise not be forthcoming. ("We've got a shipment of 9mm Blazer Brass coming in tonight; be on the shelf after 10pm.") That can be useful.
jimmyraythomason
Member
FWIW,there is no"regular gun counter clerk" in the local WM. In fact you're lucky to find ANY associate with-in 40 ft of the gun counter.
jnyork
Member
The sporting goods manager at our local WW speaks gunsandammo, has been there several years, knows her business. Never had any kind of a problem there like some of you describe.
noskilz
Member
Love my WallyWorld 10/22.
Only problem - and it's really not a problem - is it doesn't fit in my Ruger 10/22 case. Can't have everything everytime.
Erik M
Member
I worked for sporting goods for over 2 years. I refused sales to visibly and aurally intoxicated individuals. I will tell you that a group of belligerent drunks demanding I sell them a gun even after admitting to drinking was an interesting scenario. I was also threatened with physical violence and a civil lawsuit because a gentleman claimed that he could not write, therefore could not fill out a 4473. I had an out of state kid try to buy a shotgun, when he gave me his ID so that I could complete the FFL portion of the paperwork it was painfully obvious that his ID was a forged. He knew I had to call management to walk the gun out of the store, what he didn’t know is that when I called management I told them to call the police. He went away with some kind gentlemen in uniform.
jimmyraythomason
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Erik M, I fail to see a link between my post (in quotes) and your post. Care to elaborate?
possum
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my question is why would you go back to the same place 2 more times to buy the gun after all that. you should have went somewhere else, especially since it bothered you so much.
Pileatus
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Two part answer: yes, she technically had the right to deny the sale. She could have denied the sale based on the shoes you were wearing, and still have been in the (legal) right. Does that mean she was justified in doing it? I wasn't there, but it sounds like this might have been a little over the top.
This and other reasons are why I almost never go to Walmart. I like customer service, friendly people, and good, reliable products. Walmart has none of those, except for the few times I've seen Remington STS shells on the shelf. The help there is miserable; I could care less about English vs Spanish, I speak both equally well, but the counter help acts as if they're pissed you're using their air. Maybe I'm expecting a little much when I hope to get good customer service from an outwardly-obnoxious guy with a mullet and meth teeth, but I try to be optimistic...then again, it does make me wonder what the hiring criteria are for some of these places. A pulse, brain function optional?
There's a small shop the same distance from my place as Walmart is that is always terrific. Yes, the prices are higher, but everyone knows everyone by first names, free snacks often abound, people are always happy to help you find stuff, and the best part of it is, the owners usually give me a bit of a break on the prices (they can appreciate the plight of a college student who shoots clay pigeons...always tight on money!) . Guess which shop gets my money?
I'm not saying all Walmarts are like this; this is just my personal experience, but the best way to prove a point to businesses is to shop with your feet.
This and other reasons are why I almost never go to Walmart. I like customer service, friendly people, and good, reliable products. Walmart has none of those, except for the few times I've seen Remington STS shells on the shelf. The help there is miserable; I could care less about English vs Spanish, I speak both equally well, but the counter help acts as if they're pissed you're using their air. Maybe I'm expecting a little much when I hope to get good customer service from an outwardly-obnoxious guy with a mullet and meth teeth, but I try to be optimistic...then again, it does make me wonder what the hiring criteria are for some of these places. A pulse, brain function optional?
There's a small shop the same distance from my place as Walmart is that is always terrific. Yes, the prices are higher, but everyone knows everyone by first names, free snacks often abound, people are always happy to help you find stuff, and the best part of it is, the owners usually give me a bit of a break on the prices (they can appreciate the plight of a college student who shoots clay pigeons...always tight on money!) . Guess which shop gets my money?
I'm not saying all Walmarts are like this; this is just my personal experience, but the best way to prove a point to businesses is to shop with your feet.
Erik M
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I had some information in my post about how much shirnkage there was in the store I worked at years ago, and what it was in the surrounding districts, and how those numbers had recently increased by what my friends that still work there had told me. I decided i diddnt want my detailed employment history on here. Fyi, 1 supercenter in rural KY had 1.5 million shoplifted between summer 04 - summer 05, now its closer to 2-2.25 annually. Secret shoppers, police presence, Loss prevention, its made no difference.
mustang_steve
Member
My rule is this: in a gun store, I do not answer my cell phone. Period. Wal-mart's gun counter is a store. Also avoid bringing friends who have a motormouth to the store...they will do something to make buying difficult.
gyvel
Member
Mushrooms should be illegal, anyways.
academyassociate024
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CoRoMo: well put was just about to say the same thing
I never buy anything other than cleaning supplies at walmart anymore, my local grocery store has stacks and stacks of WWB 100 round 9mm packs, and no limit on the amount you can buy, no camera, no liscence check, just throw em in with your packs of bacon and eggs.
And, they sell for 19.95 which is 5 bucks cheaper than my walmart!
And, they sell for 19.95 which is 5 bucks cheaper than my walmart!
+ 1.
Aran
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Morality Police still in full swing at THR, good to see.
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