Don't worry...He's shooting a Weatherby!

[FITASC666]

I pray this ignorance is not as widespread as we think! This is a travesty to both men and beast. Our collective effort is necesary and instrumental in educating the benchrest and armchair world to the reality of the hunt. Shoot true and safe. The challenge is not the distance but getting close! The true hunter is stealth and power, harvesting withought suffering and pride. Try to think how you would like to be hunted..It may bring a fresh view to the longest shot magnitism.

 

[ArmedBear]

Well, personally, I'd like to be hunted by someone who can't shoot worth a damn and takes shots from much too far away.

 

[X-Rap]

Try to think how you would like to be hunted..It may bring a fresh view to the longest shot magnitism.
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I would not like to be hunted while I ate, or within a high fence, nor while chased by dogs, or shot with pellets, slugs or arrows from to great a distance or when I'm real horny.
I'm sure you get the picture, ethics are what we as hunters make them. Distance shooting is here to stay, when you see these You tube vids. you can see there is quite a bit of prep. The hunters in H&H's story are not those well preped hunters.

 

[Art Eatman]

Somewhen around 1950-ish, a sporting magazine article about a Weatherby hunting trip to Africa showed a picture of an eland which had been shot with a .257 Wby.

The shot was across the hams, and the exit wound was cone-shaped and maybe six inches across. At least five, anyway. The article got into all that jazz about hydraulic shock, ad infinitum ad nauseum, that was part of the Weatherby shtick.

In retrospect, I don't doubt the animal went down, instantly. No way to know "truth" as to whether or not it was DRT, but the odds are the femoral arteries might well have been blown out--which is a rather rapid bleed-out in any case.

Through the decades, though, the mere fact that some cartridge is a Weatherby carries with it some sort of juju--even though there are a fair number of cartridges which launch equivalent bullets just as fast.

Modern America: Perception trumps reality...

 

[saturno_v]

Modern America: Perception trumps reality...

Exactly...

Some myths perpetrated by the specialized press:


- Unless you do not have a SS rifle, do not bother to go out in the rain

- Super-duper-uber flat shooting cartridge...don't worry about the distance...you see, in this article we blasted away a deer at 800 yards

- 30-30 is a mediocre entry level deer hunting round....barely above your son/grandson sci-fi pellet rifle which fires at 1500+ fps (speed of the sound in hot compressed air??!!! )

- If your rifle do not shoot 1/4 MOA, throw it away, it's useless

- In this hunting trip we don't know how we could have made it if weren't for this latest electronic gizmo/super cartridge/accessory...my God we would have been doomed

- Don't bother go out hunting if you do not have at least a $1000+ scope on your rifle..preferably this model here [fill the blank]

- To stop a bear nothing short of a [-fill with the Ruger or Remington medium/large bore cartridge of the month-] will work...a 30-06?? A pipsqueak...

- To be safe in the wilderness carry with you this 8 pounds 10" barrel S&W revolver and leave your 44 Magnum home....trust us...

- Short Magnums cartridges are the way of the future....few month later, no wait, Super Short Magnums are the way of the future....

- The 300 RUM is the modern ideal "long range" deer cartridge



I will add some more if they come to mind....please feel free to add yours and to the list....

 

[GJgo]

H&H, I have to applaud you for your civility- I think I may have been a little more "brash" if I were in that situation. I have my fingers crossed that the DOW does the right thing- if you call them for a follow up please let us know what happened.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

saturno V - funny stuff, and unfortunately, true. Don't forget: "If you don't have our special uber-camo pattern covering every inch of your body, the deer will spot you a mile away, even if you are completely still, and even if in a tree stand, and laugh at you while they trot a 500 yard arc around you."

 

[Geno]

Art said:

The shot was across the hams, and the exit wound was cone-shaped and maybe six inches across. At least five, anyway. The article got into all that jazz about hydraulic shock, ad infinitum ad nauseum, that was part of the Weatherby shtick.

I have a photo of a ram I shot with my .300 Wea Mag. It blew literally about a 12 to 14 inch hole in the rear. That ram was literally slammed to the ground. I'd have to look on the back of the photo, but that shot I think was 350 yards. Even with my .257 Wea Mag and .300 Wea Mag, I never exceeded (attempted) shots beyond 525 yards.

 

[saturno_v]

Dr. Tad

That is a good one!!!

 

[waterhouse]

Terrible story, I'm glad you reported them. hopefully something will come of it.

It seems that about 80% of the folks I meet in the woods are just about flat a$$ed incompetent these days. Maybe I'm just getting old and opinionated but it sure seems that way.

Nothing wrong with being old and opinionated, especially when your are right.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

I just cannot *believe* that that old Weatherby ad actually says what it says. I'm shaking my head, and sorry now that I own a Weatherby product.

 

[oneounceload]

Used to see it all the time - folks from CA or other states would come to NV and think that bigger is better and it means that they could shoot 1,000 yard shots when they couldn't hit their target at 200 yards from a bench....several casinos would have a "Big Buck" contest until they saw that too many would leave game to rot when it wasn't big enough, or folks would use the "big magnums" to try for shots beyond belief. I have ZERO sympathy for those folks when the fish and game hands out fines and confiscates their truck.........

more and more....as I read these thread and forums, I am amazed at the blatant stupidity of gun owners........makes me wanting to see something like Sweden where you need to pass a shooting test BEFORE hunting, and if you don't pass, you don't hunt

maybe we need the same thing for gun ownership......way too many idiots out there

FLAME AWAY

 

[X-Rap]

Yea I wanna be just like Europe, gun life there is so uncomplicated.

 

[deerhunter61]

Man those Weatherby's they had must have had a defect! They need to send them back and get their money back. I always thought that if you used a Weatherby all you needed to do was point your rifle in the general area of the game and the rifle did the rest. That is why I do not own one. I always wanted to hunt with a rifle that required a little more from me than that. Hum....

H&H,

I must take my hat off to you. You acted like a real gentleman. I must confess I do not think I could have maintained the control you did in that situation. It never ceases to amaze me at how inconsiderate we have become. Those guys need a couple of loads of rock salt in their AZZES.

I also would not have been so gentle with them after they wounded that animal. I think I would have offered to stay with their vehicle while they went and tracked down the Bull they wounded. I would also probably let them know about their responsibility here and the possible consequences if they did not do what was right...

 

[mustang_steve]

Any average joe that thinks they can easily land a 700yd shot is a fool. I'm pretty decent with a rifle, but I darn well know 700yds without a spotter, bipod, and sub-moa rifle with precision optics, match grade ammo, and incredible awareness of wind currents, etc is simply undoable.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

Somewhen around 1950-ish, a sporting magazine article about a Weatherby hunting trip to Africa showed a picture of an eland which had been shot with a .257 Wby.

The shot was across the hams, and the exit wound was cone-shaped and maybe six inches across. At least five, anyway. The article got into all that jazz about hydraulic shock, ad infinitum ad nauseum, that was part of the Weatherby shtick.

In retrospect, I don't doubt the animal went down, instantly. No way to know "truth" as to whether or not it was DRT, but the odds are the femoral arteries might well have been blown out--which is a rather rapid bleed-out in any case.

Through the decades, though, the mere fact that some cartridge is a Weatherby carries with it some sort of juju--even though there are a fair number of cartridges which launch equivalent bullets just as fast.

Modern America: Perception trumps reality...

No change.

 

[X-Rap]

It was a Weatherby there at Adobe Walls wasn't it?

 

[H&Hhunter]

It was a Weatherby there at Adobe Walls wasn't it?

Maybe if these guys would have spent half the time behind a rifle that the guy at Adobe walls had they could have pulled it off.

Back when I was guiding professionally the two most terrifying things I could possibly imagine were a brand new Weatherby with a giant scope being pulled out of the case at sight in or the guy who brought a brand new 7MM because he read it was a flat shooting long range gun, bore sighted only usually.

And I'll say it once again there is nothing wrong with either the 7MM or a Weatherby in capable hands it is the brand new guy who bought them and believes the what he read in a gun mag that scares me. Either that or the reloading manual studier who actually thinks that 2" difference and 200 FPS are going to make a defining difference on game.

Here it is guys in a nut shell if you can get closer get closer if you can get steadier get steadier. I almost never miss inside of 200 yards with a good solid rest. I am a very successful shot on game. Do we see a trend here? Most of the guys I know who take game year after year do the same they don't take shots that are questionable.

 

[oneounceload]

Yea I wanna be just like Europe, gun life there is so uncomplicated.

original post:

makes me wanting to see something like Sweden where you need to pass a shooting test BEFORE hunting,

Yep - you prove my point - the comment made no mention regarding anything except being able to handle your hunting weapon proficiently before you go blasting away. You seem to have a problem with that? Why is that?

 

[X-Rap]

Oneounce you forgot this part, I have a huge problem with anything that is going to restrict my right to own a gun you don't seem to share that sentiment. Why not?

maybe we need the same thing for gun ownership......way too many idiots out there

 

[ASCTLC]

I don't consider myself that good of a shot so I keep my range short (200 yd or less) or work to get closer. Archery has had an invaluable affect on my hunting. Two fold actually: I developed a self imposed realistic short shot range and years of being within 40 yards of nice elk and having no ethical shot, I learned to truly appreciate the moments with the elk without punching my tag.

 

[federalfarmer]

H&H, Yes I believe that's what you were going to do! I was saying to THEM either watch and enjoy nature OR do what you were planning on the long sneek.

I did not think you were the irresponsible one.

(sorry gone for a couple days from this one)

 

[H&Hhunter]

H&H, Yes I believe that's what you were going to do! I was saying to THEM either watch and enjoy nature OR do what you were planning on the long sneek.

I did not think you were the irresponsible one.

(sorry gone for a couple days from this one)

I figured that I probably misunderstood your post. Thanks for clearing that up for me!

 

[federalfarmer]

H&H you ever hunt mt lion in colorado? That would be interesting.

 

[Sunray]

Idiots with rifles they can't shoot and vehicles they can't drive.