"Doomsday Prepper" participant loses his gun rights

[OTR]

New to the forum and have been reading/lurking for a while. I recently decided to join to shed some light about a recent participant in the National Geographic's show "Doomsday Preppers". Evidently he lost his 2nd Amendment Right due to some sarcastic comments he said to his medical doctor regarding severe chest pain that was so bad that a man may take his own life. The doctor then questioned his suicidal thoughts and he answered that he would never commit suicide because it his against his faith.......

Here is a copy of the petition people are signing to have the Governor of Tenn. to expunge the states declaration on on him:
"David Sarti is a victim of abuse of the state of Tennessee's legal system. His firearms were taken because he made remarks to a doctor that when he was a having breathing problems and was suffocating, that was the closest he had ever been to taking his life. He is physically disabled and has no means of protecting himself, or his property. Collecting firearms was one of his few hobbies he is still capable of doing and now can't even do that. David is a Christian man and has openly stated that he would never really do such a thing. Still, the state has stripped him of his right to own the only things that he can adequately protect himself with, and has essentially stripped him of his right to self preservation."
Link:http://www.change.org/petitions/governer-expunge-the-states-declaration-that-david-sarti-is-mentally-defective

Here is also a link to his Youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/dsarti1#p/u/15/nUv9pjxq5QI

I am curious on your thoughts about this matter.

 

[jcwit]

My thoughts?, be extremely careful what you tell your Dr.

In fact in todays world, be extremely careful what you tell anyone.

 

[aaronu]

At the risk of painting with too broad a brush -- there are too many doctors out there with the attitude that they are better judges of what is good for us than we are. Maybe they are, but frankly I don't care.

In all likelihood, Mr. Sarti just made a bad joke. The doctor didn't merely strip the man's right to self defense, but removed him from "the people". It could have been worse; at least he was not involuntarily committed.

I'm curious if the doctor in question supports the Second Amendment.

Hopefully the guy will get his 2A rights reinstated -- and switch doctors.

 

[buck460XVR]

I am curious on your thoughts about this matter.

From watching the video, my thoughts are that he is nuts. He states he has no reason to live anymore and since he has no way to protect himself from the "trolls" that want to kill him, he's as good as dead anyway. Whether or not he is really a danger to himself or others is hard to tell from the little bit of info given on the video and since it's only one side of the story, odds are it's a bit biased. It was nice of him to wear his "Sunday go to meetin' bibs" for the video tho...........

 

[hso]

There are other options open to Mr. Sarti that should be persued before any direct appeal to the governor is mobilized.

Also consider that only part of the story is being told before you're too critical of the physicians that were concerned for his safety. Having the right to remain silent isn't the same as the good sense to.

 

[aaronu]

Fair point, hso. I did not follow the links and reacted based on what I imagined. Maybe the guy *is* nuts and maybe the doctor is doing us all a favor. I just worry that stuff like this is easy to overstep. Doctors can be activists as much as anyone.

 

[newbuckeye]

Like Ron White says.....I had the RIGHT to remain silent, I just didn't have the ABILITY....

 

[rcw320]

I'm not a Dr, but I do work in the medical field.

Doctors have to cover their rears.

Imagine that some yayhoo makes a silly comment about possibly wanting to end their own life.. and Doc blows it off.

The patient then goes home and commits suicide.

The Doc will have every swinging banana in the congo out to sue them for letting that patient go.

This country is sue-happy, so unfortunately, that's how it goes.

 

[hso]

I hope Mr. Sarti has the good sense to get folks help him raise the money to hire a lawyer and a specialist in suicide prevention to provide expert testimony to get his rights restored.

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

Did they also remove his access to ropes, motor vehicles, water, and plastic bags? If the guy really wants to kill himself there are a lot easier ways than a firearm. This is an excellent example nanny-statism and perhaps a reminder to the Doctor might be in order that physicians kill more people each year due to negligence and incompetence than self inflicted gunshot wounds.

 

[hso]

there are a lot easier ways than a firearm

That's incorrect.

 

[jcwit]

That's incorrect.

All depends on ones outlook.

 

[MistWolf]

So much for freedom of speech

 

[billdeserthills]

I'm not a Dr, but I do work in the medical field.

Doctors have to cover their rears.

Imagine that some yayhoo makes a silly comment about possibly wanting to end their own life.. and Doc blows it off.

The patient then goes home and commits suicide.

The Doc will have every swinging banana in the congo out to sue them for letting that patient go.

This country is sue-happy, so unfortunately, that's how it goes.

How would anyone but the Dr. & the patient know that the Dr did not do his job in reporting this evil patient, if the Dr had not reported him?
For that matter why did my Dr feel the need to report the dogbite I had received from my dog that made the animal control folks try to take my doggy away? BTW you can keep all the Dr's that might report any American for anything but attempted homicide as far as I am concerned

 

[Davek1977]

you can keep all the Dr's that might report any American for anything but attempted homicide as far as I am concerned

By going to such extremes, you've just eliminated your healthcare options. In nearly every state I'm aware of, DR's are MANDATORY reporters in cases of child abuse, meaning they are legally obligated to report any instance of suspected child abuse to the proper authorities....an offense many would consider falling far short of "attempted homicide".

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

This is why the answer to every single question they asked during post-Afghanistan demob was "no".

 

[madcratebuilder]

Be very careful what you say to a Doctor, they are after all, a agent of the government.

 

[newbuckeye]

Be very careful what you say to a Doctor, they are after all, a agent of the government.

Tin foil hat in place....

 

[gotigers]

This can happen to a lot of people. If a Dr. prescribes you antidepressants, if you've been to rehab, etc. There are a lot of people at risk to lose their gun rights and don't know it.

madcratebuilder is spot on. Dr.s are now a government controlled entity because of Obamacare.

 

[HOOfan_1]

Nevermind...sure it wasn't highroad

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I don't know if he is a mental defective or not, but he hasn't done any favors for himself with the video.

I am always suspicious of stories where the teller explains everything done to him has been wrong and that he does everything right down to not being fed in the hospital.

 

[JohnBT]

"some sarcastic comments he said to his medical doctor"

That's what he says happened. What has the doctor said? Nothing, he can't due to privacy laws.

Have you seen the hearing transcript? Were you there to hear the testimony? Were you at the medical appointment with him?

It's unfortunate I suppose that we will never know what really happened, unless the gentleman decides to obtain a copy of his medical records and hearing transcript and releases it all for public consumption.

I see it at work all of the time; the documentation doesn't match what the person is telling me. I guess I shouldn't be surprised after 37+ plus years, but it stills baffles me. Heck, I've shown people their 4-page state police report listing multiple felonies and they say, "I have a felony conviction?" Or a medical report/discharge summary and get a "I was treated for cancer in 1996?"

John

 

[.45Guy]

Maybe it's just me, but being associated with the National Geographic show may have been an issue. Sort of like the kid I know who has a prescription for "medical" Devil's Lettuce in Michigan complaining that he can't buy a firearm. I know, not the same thing, but I still wouldn't willingly attach myself to something that could imperil my rights.

 

[hogshead]

Its wrong a doctor , judge ,lawyer, preacher, or politicain should not be able to take your second ammenment rights. God given rights.

 

[Nushif]

madcratebuilder is spot on. Dr.s are now a government controlled entity because of Obamacare

Pretty sure mandatory reporting was around way before that. But don't let that bother your political sideswipe.

The Doc in this case is in a bit of a pickle here, though. Let's say there really is a mountain of evidence that this guy is certifiably nuts. Because of patient privacy, the Doc can't clear their name. Ever.
Let's now assume there isn't ... And the doctor really just has no sense of humor. Because of patient privacy, he won't ever have to testify and stand for this.

On the other hand, do you really want to get rid of patient privacy?