Dress Clothes

[Derry 1946]

And since I'm not and never have been any kind of commando, my blending in is generally just around town. If I wear a sport coat or blazer and casual-dressy slacks, I generally look like I fit in. If an astute observer "makes" me, they probably figure I'm supposed to be carrying.

 

[Nom de Forum]

Excellent info here. I wear a suit most days, often three-piece. I had my tailor add a pocket in the pants at the waistline that accommodates a J-frame or equivalent in a pocket holster (such as Uncle Mike's). It's sort of like Mexican carry but won't fall out of or down the trouser leg. The vest makes the grip disappear. Cost of the tailoring I think was ten bucks. Vest also provides another 4 pockets for ammo, knife, light, etc.

Regarding pockets: I have had several pockets reduced in depth and reinforced by the Dry Cleaners around the corner. The very nice Korean lady who does alterations thinks I am very strange for doing so on only one pocket but she likes the money so is not too inquisitive. Some makers of pants and shorts seem to think what is in you pocket should be banging around just above your kneecap.

 

[Berger.Fan222]

How do you guys who have to wear dress pants, belt, and tucked in dress shirt carry? I cannot find a waist band holster that allows my weapon(Bersa BP9cc or Grand Power K100 P1) to be 100% concealed in this attire. I'm not keen on ankle holsters.

Any tips/tricks/products for this purpose would be greatly appreciated.

I thought that's why sport coats were invented.

 

[Derry 1946]

Regarding pockets: I have had several pockets reduced in depth and reinforced by the Dry Cleaners around the corner. The very nice Korean lady who does alterations thinks I am very strange for doing so on only one pocket but she likes the money so is not too inquisitive. Some makers of pants and shorts seem to think what is in you pocket should be banging around just above your kneecap.

Exactly. Good tailors are very valuable. I hope they stay in business in this off-the-rack world.

 

[Derry 1946]

I thought that's why sport coats were invented.

They sure are useful.

 

[Nom de Forum]

I thought that's why sport coats were invented.

But only worn during the summer in Maricopa County, Arizona if they must be and really don't let you fit in with most social gatherings when light weight, cool clothing is the norm. Even in the winter here sport coats are worn far less than in cooler climes. For many office environments the Monday through Thursday business attire does not require a coat or tie. Even professions such as attorneys often only wear a coat and tie in formal meetings and court.

 

[Derry 1946]

But [sport coats are] only worn during the summer in Maricopa County, Arizona if they must be and really don't let you fit in with most social gatherings when light weight, cool clothing is the norm. Even in the winter here sport coats are worn far less than in cooler climes. For many office environments the Monday through Thursday business attire does not require a coat or tie. Even professions such as attorneys often only wear a coat and tie in formal meetings and court.

Well, in that case, can you get away with a guayabera? That opens up some possibilities. Cargo pants might help there too. Living in New Orleans, I realize that hot and humid climes present special challenges.

 

[Nom de Forum]

Well, in that case, can you get away with a guayabera? That opens up some possibilities. Cargo pants might help there too. Living in New Orleans, I realize that hot and humid climes present special challenges.

I haven't seen any true guayabera shirts being worn here but light, loose fitting, button down sport shirts meant to be worn over pants are popular, in fact I am wearing one as I type. Cargo pants and shorts are popular, although carrying inside the cargo pocket is not a good idea the wide opening top pocket is a good location. It is not at all unusual to be wearing short sleeve sport shirts, shorts and Teva style sandals during the day in the dead of winter here. It is my understanding most guayabera shirts run a little long so would require quite a bit of lift to reach the pistol and the fabric being nearly transparently thin would not provide sufficient concealment. Some that I have seen are that way but I imagine they very in length and transparency.

 

[C0untZer0]

Rohrbaugh R9 in a front pocket.

It works OK but I have to be careful sitting down to let the gun slide to the side instead of sitting on top of my leg.

I have a DeSantis Nemesis holster now but a holster with a panel would work a little better.

I've been thinking about getting a Bear creek back pocket holster and using ti as a front pocket holster:

http://www.bearcreekholsters.com/back-pocket.php

 

[Derry 1946]

It is my understanding most guayabera shirts run a little long so would require quite a bit of lift to reach the pistol and the fabric being nearly transparently thin would not provide sufficient concealment. Some that I have seen are that way but I imagine they very in length and transparency.

I've always heard the guayabera was designed to conceal a firearm, but that could certainly be apocryphal. Light/white ones are a bit revealing, but black ones are not. Then again, black is hot in the sun. There are many perfectly serviceable solutions for concealing reasonably-sized firearms, but ah! the eternal quest for the ideal!

 

[dprice3844444]

jackets,vests etc with hidden pockets for guns at nrastore.org and galati international.
http://www.ccwbreakaways.com/ ccw breakaway pants you could also cut to shorts

 

[Nom de Forum]

jackets,vests etc with hidden pockets for guns at nrastore.org and galati international.
http://www.ccwbreakaways.com/ ccw breakaway pants you could also cut to shorts

All of which practically scream "Hey this guy is carrying a gun!" to many police officers and civilians. I never wear anything that is the slightest bit gun related, tacticool, or incongruous for whatever social environment I happen to find myself in. Sure specialty clothing for guns will fool some of the people all the time but they never fool all the people all the time.

 

[Willie Sutton]

^^ This.

Speaking "with a World view" and not a "USA View"

If the local law enforcement agencies are supportive of your carrying, then you're concealing from civilians. Generally they are as dumb as sheep when it comes to looking for the "tells". Break out the 5-11 tactical pants and enjoy.

However.....

If the local law enforcement agencies form a part of your threat, as they do in many areas of the world (carrying for defense is not only done in the USA, and in many parts of the world it's hard to tell the cops from the criminals). then you're concealing from the professionals. Learning to hide from fat-jack and his kid-pack at Wally World is one thing. Passing scrutiny from a trained professional is another. My first 5 years of CCW was in the latter environment. If you want to carry *concealed*, you need to work at it. Try carrying in, say..... El Salvador or Honduras for a season and let me hear how you did.

Carrying here in the USA with a nice CCW in your wallet is child's play. Penalty for failure? Embarrassment by a guy in the checkout line saying "pardon me, your gun is showing" really has no real threat associated with it. Other places.... Not so much.

My experience is stale, but in the old days a guayabera was a political statement. If you wanted to be rounded up as a communist you wore one. Not likely true today. Too light to conceal under though. And Anglos wearing them down south stand out like a sore thumb.


Willie

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[Derry 1946]

That all just makes me even happier to live in good old U. S. of A., and in a state that has CC and OC. Not trying to fool assassins and police-cum-outlaws; just trying not to alarm people unnecessarily or unduly tip my hand to the bad guys. As Willy explains, that's easy! In the unlikely event I'm ever transferred to such lands of danger, I will certainly be PMing Willy for a tutorial.

 

[Fred Fuller]

I know I'm telling my age, but holster maker Chic Gaylord did the 'conceal/carry the whole gun safe' thing before Bianchi ... and anyway, that's why y'all keep us oldpharts around, right?

http://www.amazon.com/Handgunners-G...e_2_pap?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1413238708&sr=1-1

http://pistolsmith.com/austin-behlert/14170-chic-gaylord.html

http://jamesazacharyjr.blogspot.com/2010/12/chic-gaylord-holster-artisan.html

 

[Nom de Forum]

I know I'm telling my age, but holster maker Chic Gaylord did the 'conceal/carry the whole gun safe' thing before Bianchi ... and anyway, that's why y'all keep us oldpharts around, right?

http://www.amazon.com/Handgunners-G...e_2_pap?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1413238708&sr=1-1

http://pistolsmith.com/austin-behlert/14170-chic-gaylord.html

http://jamesazacharyjr.blogspot.com/2010/12/chic-gaylord-holster-artisan.html

I agree, but I don't ever recall seeing a picture of Chic Gaylord quite like John Bianchi's from 40 years ago showing almost all positions at one time.

http://images45.fotki.com/v1451/photos/8/848245/6026081/ConcealedCarrypage1S-vi.jpg

http://images44.fotki.com/v1409/photos/8/848245/6026081/ConcealedCarrypage2S-vi.jpg

 

[Dr.Zubrato]

LOL nom de forum!

those pictures are the best thing i've ever seen, im still laughing as i type this..
saved for future reference of what comfortable discreet concealed carry looks like.

what a fool i've been, this gives new meaning to back up gun!

 

[Trent]

LMAO Nom, I really need to change the opening 5 minutes of my next concealed carry class after seeing those pictures. I'm going to have an entirely new course introduction as I strip off guns.