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Dude carrying a gun in public in VA has an AD that ends in his own death

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by rellascout, Nov 14, 2011.

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  1. rellascout

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    http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/new...y-fatally-shoots-himself-outside-giant-store/

    I wonder if it was even in a holster and if it was what kind of holster? I wonder if that holster covered the trigger?
     
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  2. Loosedhorse

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    I'm sure we'll hear some details in the lawsuit that's bound to follow. RIP :(
     
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    I wonder if anyone has compiled statistics to determine which brand and model firearm is most often in such events? The only person I know who accidentally shot himself was a police officer holstering his Glock in one of those old holsters where the retention device actually went into the trigger guard. He shot himself in the leg.
     
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    Absolutely terrible. A wife loses her husband and her children lost their father.
     
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    a descent holster is nothing to sneeze at.
     
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    I just read 14 articles I googled up.

    Where does it say he had a carry permit? His wife said he carried a gun sometimes.

    JT
     
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    You are correct that it does not state he had a permit in the article but I was told the he had a permit to carry by a reporter I know at the FLS and honestly why does it matter?
     
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    Not trying to put words in JohnBT's mouth, but for one reason that should be obvious to you, you specified in the @SUBJ that he had a VA CHP.
     
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    Who would the lawsuit be against? He's deceased...
     
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    another strike against hip grip, belt clip et cetera type ways of "mexican carry" for a gun.
    of course trigger finger discipline is paramount, but even that is subjected to failure when you have to use your trigger finger to do something other than work the trigger like with a serpa holster.
     
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    So I will change the title to read dude in VA who occasionally carries a gun... kills himself with a ND in VA.

    Is that better?

    And again what does it matter in a shall issue state like VA where you can take a 3 hour course with no live firing requirement and get a CHP. He could have been open carrying which is also legal in VA but does it really change the story?

    We like to crow every time any paper anywhere in the US publishes a report of someone carrying in public uses a gun to protect himself I personally think just as much attention and scrutiny needs to be placed on accidents such as this. Clearly this individual was carrying and handling a gun in a in proper manner. He ended up killing himself but could have just as easily killed one of his kids in the car.

    I personally would like to know more details so that this can be a real life lesson to others who choose to carry a gun.
     
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    {plonk}
     
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    I am having a great day. Thanks for asking.

    CHP or no CHP does not change the issue that this person with a gun clearly was not competent to do so.

    Again in a shall issue open carry state like VA it does not really matter if he had a CHP or not. If he didn't how does it change the context or the reality of the event. Antis- are going to flex their opinion either way because in the reality a dude died needlessly. Circling the wagons and not treating this as a learning point at the very least is ignorant IMHO. Too often what the pro-gun community does exactly that. Oh it wasn't one of "us" so don't hold us accountable. Is that the tact you are attempting to take?
     
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    Where are we at here? Are we going to blame the gun, or the person handling it?
     
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    Simple solution ... don't chamber a round in a carry gun.
     
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    I blame the dude carrying the gun. He clearly did not know how to properly do so and put his family and everyone around him at risk. Completely and totally irresponsible in my book.
     
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    "And again what does it matter"

    Other than for the sake of accuracy, I was looking at the story from the point of view of an anti making an argument against carry permits.

    I mostly found it strange that they hadn't reported any details, but somebody knew he had a carry permit.
     
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    I am not sure about that. How about get a proper holster and some proper training. There is nothing unsafe about a Glock carried with a round in the chamber unless it is in untrained hands.
     
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    I used to live in Fredericksburg. I know a lot of people who work at the FLS. That is what I was told by an individual there who would know. I expected more details in the article and since it was lacking asked a friend. If it turns out to not be the case I will post it here first. LOL

    Again in a state where it is legal to open carry a firearm I am not sure that it will make a difference to the antis if he had a permit or not.
     
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    Ch.6 WTVR here just reported it was a .40 Glock fwiw.
     
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    That was in the FLS article.

    Just pointing it out for the sake of accuracy... :cool:
     
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    The lawsuit would be against Glock, filed by his NOK/estate. Defective product with damages (loss of life) resulting.

    If plaintiff's atty needs any expert testimony, he can just go to any internet gun board. Everyone knows that there are too many ADs (yes, AD, the atty will insist) with Glocks--worse, they can go kaBOOM!

    I wonder if Glock will fight the grieving survivors, or settle quietly? :scrutiny:
     
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    Truly a sad day for the family and I wish them all the best.

    If it happened the way they sheriff described then I would have to imagine that he was not carrying in a safe or proper manner. A big mistake for sure if you decide to carry a gun, but a mistake that he shouldn't have had to pay with his life.

    Truly sad.
    Shawn
     
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    Unfortunately, it sounds like the guy simply "Plaxicoed" himself. It wasn't the first, and won't be the last time. A lot of people who shouldn't handle potentially dangerous objects do so. Is there anything that can be learned from this one that can't be learned from the others?
     
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    LMAO!!!! This is easily the funniest thing I have ever read on this forum!

    If it's posted on the internet, it must be true!
     
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