Dummy rifle grenades
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Roc_Kor
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I'm sure you'll want some 7.62x39mm blanks with that.
http://www.hi-vel.com/Catalog__18/Grenade_Launching_Devices___Ca/grenade_launching_devices___ca.html
http://www.hi-vel.com/Catalog__18/Grenade_Launching_Devices___Ca/grenade_launching_devices___ca.html
MatthewVanitas
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Whoa! That Bloom Automatic tennis-ball grenade is massively cool!
Any idea what kind of range you get for one of those things?
Too bad it doesn't have a bullet-trap for launching with live rounds; blanks are a little harder to come by.
A few years back, the Marine Gazette had an interesting article proposing switching from the M203 back to rifle grenades. Guess not much came of that.
-MV
Any idea what kind of range you get for one of those things?
Too bad it doesn't have a bullet-trap for launching with live rounds; blanks are a little harder to come by.
A few years back, the Marine Gazette had an interesting article proposing switching from the M203 back to rifle grenades. Guess not much came of that.
-MV
cabinetman
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Tennis balls? You want this!
Forget launching tennis balls. You've got a military rifle so shoot military practice grenades!
http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=881770&chrSuperSKU=&MC=
or here:
http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=953260&chrSuperSKU=&MC=
Also I concur about the Hi-Vel blanks. DO NOT USE ANY OTHER BLANKS. You need these because the pressures are correct. Lower pressure blanks might harm your rifle.
Rome
Forget launching tennis balls. You've got a military rifle so shoot military practice grenades!
http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=881770&chrSuperSKU=&MC=
or here:
http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=953260&chrSuperSKU=&MC=
Also I concur about the Hi-Vel blanks. DO NOT USE ANY OTHER BLANKS. You need these because the pressures are correct. Lower pressure blanks might harm your rifle.
Rome
Firehand
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I picked up a Israeli practice grenade a couple of years ago. Standard blanks would put it out about 125 yards the angle I used, I think would've gone a bit further but I didn't want to have to search the brush for it.
MatthewVanitas
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Are "Hi-Vel" blanks actually labelled as such, or how do I know which is which?
IRT the Israeli vs. the TennisBall: what's the upside of each? The tennis ball looks like it'd be pretty durable, I'd worry that the Israeli might dent if it hits something hard.
I emailed the company of the tennis-ball variant, and asked about range. Will post back if I get a good answer.
-MV
IRT the Israeli vs. the TennisBall: what's the upside of each? The tennis ball looks like it'd be pretty durable, I'd worry that the Israeli might dent if it hits something hard.
I emailed the company of the tennis-ball variant, and asked about range. Will post back if I get a good answer.
-MV
Wes Janson
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I think Mr. Bloom said the tennis ball would do in the vicinity of 100-200 yards, but I really don't remember. He told me the SKS non-grenade-launching-blanks would send a golf ball out to about 400-500 yards, though.
MatthewVanitas
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Just heard back from Mr Bloom.
Will have to take a quint at the golfball devices though, that could be cool.
Since mortar trainers are so dang expensive, this might be a fun alternative.
Any advice on what M16 quadrant sights folks have tried out with these?
-MV
Interesting thus far. Might be good for ranges where you don't want to overshoot the backstop.
Will have to take a quint at the golfball devices though, that could be cool.
Since mortar trainers are so dang expensive, this might be a fun alternative.
Any advice on what M16 quadrant sights folks have tried out with these?
-MV
OK, but all of these (unless I can't read properly) are for AR-15s, right?
Will they fit a Yugo SKS?
I have an unfired Yugo SKS, and would love to find a dummy grenade to display with it. And if there's something else that'll laugh tennis balls and such that would be cool, as I plan on getting another Yugo for shooting/playing with.
Will they fit a Yugo SKS?
I have an unfired Yugo SKS, and would love to find a dummy grenade to display with it. And if there's something else that'll laugh tennis balls and such that would be cool, as I plan on getting another Yugo for shooting/playing with.
Keith Wheeler
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Shooting rifle grenades is great fun...but be prepared for the most recoil you've ever dealt with in your life.
Keith Wheeler
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There are lots of ways to shoot rifle grenades. Some shouldered (ouch!) and some not (still ouch!). You're shooting a 1 pound projectile with enough velocity to go a few hundred yards. It really doesn't matter how you shoot it, there will be some recoil to deal with! Buttstock on the ground holding the rifle at an angle? You're still going to know it!
Before anyone tries to do this....1) be sure you've got the right ammo, and 2) get a little training. Talk to folks who've done this in the military (easy if you have IDF friends! everyone should have IDF friends
), And do some reading.
They are a blast! Target shooting is great, but playing mini artillery and trying to hit a target that way is a fun challenge. But, as always, be safe. And just because they are "training" grenades, treat them the same as any pojectile coming out of a firearm. Again, 1 pound rubber tipped thing with that much velocity...be careful.
Here, take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caKZ0bawcgQ
He's doing the "rifle under the arm" type shot. Watch how much that rifle moves. You can bruise your hand, get snagged by some mechanical bit sticking off the rifle, etc. Oh, rifles like FALs have a setting on the gas port for grenade use. Keeps from slamming the action. I never liked shooting RGs off my AR, always was afraid the action was being hit too hard.
Before anyone tries to do this....1) be sure you've got the right ammo, and 2) get a little training. Talk to folks who've done this in the military (easy if you have IDF friends! everyone should have IDF friends
), And do some reading. They are a blast! Target shooting is great, but playing mini artillery and trying to hit a target that way is a fun challenge. But, as always, be safe. And just because they are "training" grenades, treat them the same as any pojectile coming out of a firearm. Again, 1 pound rubber tipped thing with that much velocity...be careful.
Here, take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caKZ0bawcgQ
He's doing the "rifle under the arm" type shot. Watch how much that rifle moves. You can bruise your hand, get snagged by some mechanical bit sticking off the rifle, etc. Oh, rifles like FALs have a setting on the gas port for grenade use. Keeps from slamming the action. I never liked shooting RGs off my AR, always was afraid the action was being hit too hard.
MatthewVanitas
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I'm trying to puzzle the physics out; does it indeed put a lot more wear-and-tear on a rifle to fire 1lb grenades, if said rifle has no cutoff?
I imagine that the tennis-ball version weighs a lot less than the grenade version; would that still beat my receiver?
Would launching golf-balls be easier on the action? The same manufacturer makes a $40 tube (looks like a suppressor) which screws onto any NATO FS and will launch golfballs. "Up to 500yds", depending on load and barrel. Now that's a spicy meatball.
Go down to the driving range, buy up a few dozen of the dayglo-orange balls....
-MV
The Yugo SKS uses a 22mm NATO launcher, so it is the same size as the AR15 and other NATO countries' rifles.
Mr. Bloom also did a golfball launcher:
http://www.bloomautomatic.com/index_files/Page457.htm
and sells blanks:
http://www.bloomautomatic.com/index_files/Page610.htm
Mr. Bloom also did a golfball launcher:
http://www.bloomautomatic.com/index_files/Page457.htm
and sells blanks:
http://www.bloomautomatic.com/index_files/Page610.htm
Firehand
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The Israeli practice grenade has a body- the 'warhead'- made of hard rubber. The shaft and tailfins are replaceable, in fact the kit I bought had replacements.
Keeps going and going and going...
Keeps going and going and going...
MatthewVanitas
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Out of boredom, went looking for the M16 quadrant sights used in conjuction w/ the M203 40mm grenade launcher.
Having trouble finding them for under $200 (or $700 for modern optic sights). Bushmaster apparently makes them, but I don't know if I'd have trouble ordering them, since it's only listed on their "Mil/LEO" website.
Evidently, there are huge problems with quadrant-sights falling into the wrong hands. With quadrants sights attached to their AR-15s, gangbangers would only be one M203 launcher and one 40mm HE/DP grenade away from attacking police stations. Or something like that.
-MV
Having trouble finding them for under $200 (or $700 for modern optic sights). Bushmaster apparently makes them, but I don't know if I'd have trouble ordering them, since it's only listed on their "Mil/LEO" website.
Evidently, there are huge problems with quadrant-sights falling into the wrong hands. With quadrants sights attached to their AR-15s, gangbangers would only be one M203 launcher and one 40mm HE/DP grenade away from attacking police stations. Or something like that.
-MV
Eightball
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And the police stations would be housing thousands of children. IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!
Though, launching the RGs could be fun. I wonder the legality of hunting small game with one? Talk about a challenge
Keith Wheeler
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It's a supply/demand issue. The demand is very high because in real combat situations the bloody things get broken all the time.
Wes Janson
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I've got one of the Bloom Golf Ball Launchers. Used it last week...managed to break some glass on one of the target cars, shortly before it was smacked with some 40mm rounds. The golf balls are very susceptible to wind I've noticed, drifting maybe a foot every 25 yards with a 10 mph crosswind (guesstimating here)? Definitely more fun on a calm day. Out of an AR-15, there is absolutely zero felt recoil; the rifle just twitches slightly and goes "pop". I'd really like to try it on an SKS, but I own neither an SKS nor (more importantly) the requisite non-grenade-launching standard blank 7.62x39 ammunition needed. The best distance I've gotten with 5.56 blanks was only about 140-150 yards or so.
MatthewVanitas
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@ Wes:
I was going to ask "do you use parade blanks, or launching blanks?", but I suppose that launching blanks aren't widely available in the U.S. All the blanks for .223 I've seen were Lake City; since the US .mil doesn't use rifle grenades, then it seems logical that any US blanks are just noisemakers.
Is there any source for .223 launching blanks, and would they be inadvisable for the Bloom Automatic launchers?
For $10 a pop, I'm pretty inclined to get a tennis-ball training rocket. I shopped around, and nobod else has M1A2 grenade adaptors for a price that low.
-MV
I was going to ask "do you use parade blanks, or launching blanks?", but I suppose that launching blanks aren't widely available in the U.S. All the blanks for .223 I've seen were Lake City; since the US .mil doesn't use rifle grenades, then it seems logical that any US blanks are just noisemakers.
Is there any source for .223 launching blanks, and would they be inadvisable for the Bloom Automatic launchers?
For $10 a pop, I'm pretty inclined to get a tennis-ball training rocket. I shopped around, and nobod else has M1A2 grenade adaptors for a price that low.
-MV
MatthewVanitas
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UPDATE:
Order some tennis-ball rifle grenades from Bloom Automatic.
Considered buying their grenade-launcher sight (originally for the SKS) and jury-rigging it to the AR carrying handle, but I'll hold off on that until I figure out how fun the grenades are as-is.
Will post a range report eventually. Should go well with the slabside M16 I'm building up.
Since certain .gov killjoys won't let me buy a mortar without a bunch of paperwork, I'll just have to make do. They could whack out a chunk of the deficit if they'd give me a chance at a surplus M102...
-MV
Order some tennis-ball rifle grenades from Bloom Automatic.
Considered buying their grenade-launcher sight (originally for the SKS) and jury-rigging it to the AR carrying handle, but I'll hold off on that until I figure out how fun the grenades are as-is.
Will post a range report eventually. Should go well with the slabside M16 I'm building up.
Since certain .gov killjoys won't let me buy a mortar without a bunch of paperwork, I'll just have to make do. They could whack out a chunk of the deficit if they'd give me a chance at a surplus M102...
-MV
Wes Janson
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Ammoman.com has .223 blanks, $279 for 1000 rounds. I picked up a small tray of 60 or so blanks for $5 from a local shop, but that was a one-time deal, and I dunno where I'm going to get blanks now. I believe Mr. Bloom was trying to order up some reloading supplies so people could load their own blanks for golf-ball shooting.
MatthewVanitas
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Mr Bloom has .223 blanks at 25c each.
He also has the crimping die for .223, but it's rather spendy ($85 or so). If I were into reloading, I'd consider just plugging the neck with soft filler or tissue instead. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is crimping mainly important just if you intend to feed rounds out of the magazine? Not really necessary for individually-loaded rounds?
I belive it's safe to load .223 rounds individually into an AR. I seem to recall that HP shooters do that with the VLD bullets which do not fit into the mag.
-MV
He also has the crimping die for .223, but it's rather spendy ($85 or so). If I were into reloading, I'd consider just plugging the neck with soft filler or tissue instead. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is crimping mainly important just if you intend to feed rounds out of the magazine? Not really necessary for individually-loaded rounds?
I belive it's safe to load .223 rounds individually into an AR. I seem to recall that HP shooters do that with the VLD bullets which do not fit into the mag.
-MV
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