dump my semi-autos and buy a full auto?

[rfurtkamp]

The vast majority of FNCs are registered sear guns - the host dies, you replace it. Viable repair/reconstruction that doesn't exist for $1k guns where you can just replace them does in fact exist for higher-end guns - receiver rebuilds and major repairs are something you can find done a lot more regularly on NFA stuff.

That said, stuff wears out, and stuff can often be fixed. It's the economic feasibility of the fix that matters. On irreplaceable items, that feasibility often goes out the window.

Finding ranges to shoot NFA stuff vary from region to region; here not being able to use NFA stuff would leave me scratching my head. They may not like it personally, any more than the Title I semis...but it's 100% kosher. Then again, I left Communist Illinois for a reason. And chances are your local SOT can tell you where you can shoot them - most people who can't find a range or location to shoot haven't asked the right person.

 

[BeltfedMG]

First off, yes full auto at the range is fun, just blastin awat at no particular target but just to feel the power and watch the dirt fly, regardless the cool factor will wear off, will still be fun, but not like it was when you didnt have one.

I hear the problem of findin a range that will allow F/A is a problem also, dont know, have several hundred acres to shoot on of private property, shoot off back deck as i have range in back yard, berm at 35 yrds, 135 yrds and open feild for 700 yrds.

I dont know any class 3 owners who wouldnt take a loss if the ban on MG's was overturned, just so we could buy more at the prices they SHOULD BE AT. As for if they say no more selling what you have....that doesnt make any of my MG's worthless to me, ever hand over a 8 yr old kid his first MG and tell him to pull the trigger till it stops?? Try it and tell me they are worthless. Hell, even 50 yr old men are the same as the 8 yr olds. If your into it, your into it and they are worth it, but think it threw, they do become just another gun after a while.

 

[pkoch62]

Even if the '86 ban was overturned, wouldn't a fair number of pieces retain a decent amount of value? Being able to stick a fun switch on your WASR for a few hundred bucks more wouldn't add to the supply of Vietnam bringback AKs.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

No don't sell. Add only, or forget it.

 

[trbon8r]

Sounds like you have a nice collection of semi autos. I'd keep them.

Most of the Class III people I've come across or seen in internet videos usually seem to be blasting away at the berm, or nothing in particular. It looks kind of boring after awhile. I like to hit what I'm shooting at, not just burn through ammo.

 

[JR47]

You are correct, the "fun" of just dumping belts of ammo, and ruining barrels, wore off for me decades ago. The idea of actually being able to hit something in burst-fire, however, is still there.

If you had bothered to read my post, you'd note that I own several Class 3 weapons. All of them are fired. I also actually went through combat where M14, M16, M60 and older M1919A4 guns were used. It was anything but funny to have to change a barrel under fire.

I'd suggest that you try your wit on someone who might not have much actual experience with civilian and military ownership of Class 3 weapons. Their lack of knowledge might appeal more to the stories.

 

[grimjaw]

I heard a coworker describe a similar purchase like this.

HIM: Buying that boat was the second best day I've had.
ME: Second best? What was the first?
HIM: The day I sold it.

Once it's bought, there are still costs associated with shooting it and maintaining it. I love to shoot, and I can't even really afford to shoot a 9mm subgun often. I definitely wouldn't trade all my semi-autos for one, even with the relatively lackluster semis I have now.

jm

 

[natecade1]

I have a convertible but I'd have to sell it 4 times to afford an MG.

I have fired a subMG before and it was definitely quit a thrill. But I doubt I would ever invest in one. and I certainly wouldn't sell every other gun for one.

 

[I LIKE IT!]

The cost of owning an MG if your in poor like me is quite a detterent but I figured F-it I'm doing it, my piece of the American dream.

I know I'm breaking arm and leg to reach the dream but at the end I figure it's my little F-U to those who would say otherwise.

 

[Javelin]

If you get a registered SEER for $14K-ish for an MP5 you can put it in any MP5-style firearm and then you never need to worry about the host platform breaking and not being able to get another.

Same with a M16 SEER ($13Kish)...

Submachineguns are going to be cheaper and more enjoyable than machineguns because you can effectively suppress your sub and shoot for cheaper and at more ranges. Just my .02 cents... I do not own one as I cannot afford to feed it and got most of that crap out of my system in the military.

 

[cliffy]

Fully Automatics

Are ridiculous, except during wartime. Shooting a deer for food should require two shoots: one to stop it and one to end any suffering. Often one shot will suffice for both, but a back-up shot produces a true sportsman. A one shot-one kill is often a waiting game that no real sportsman should ever tolerate. Spraying the field with a flurry of bullets most often accomplishes nothing. Full-Autos are only needed for firepower in fire fights where life and death hang in the balance. Shooting a deer for food does not qualify. cliffy

 

[JR47]

Are ridiculous, except during wartime. Shooting a deer for food should require two shoots: one to stop it and one to end any suffering. Often one shot will suffice for both, but a back-up shot produces a true sportsman. A one shot-one kill is often a waiting game that no real sportsman should ever tolerate. Spraying the field with a flurry of bullets most often accomplishes nothing. Full-Autos are only needed for firepower in fire fights where life and death hang in the balance. Shooting a deer for food does not qualify. cliffy

Look, Jim Zumbo is here!!

The problem with sear-kits is that BATFE regards the kit as the machine gun. That means if any part of the sear kit fails, only the original manufacturer of the sear-kit can replace it. Try finding a sear, disconnector, etc. for a 1945 Underwood today. The registered Class 3 weapon can use any part correct for the gun, no matter who made it.

 

[lencac]

Full-auto = hungry beast = lots of ammo = lots of money = pissed wife = divorce = lose home = sell full-auto = back to square 1 = broke, busted and discussed :banghead:
I say NO. Shoot, I have a hard enough time feeding my semi stuff

 

[Al Thompson]

JR, not true - Zumbo was coherent.

 

[natecade1]

Are ridiculous, except during wartime.

That may be, but the fact still remains that citizens should definitely have the right to own them. After all, should we the people ever need to over through a corrupt and oppressive gov't it might just be considered a war (ie. "wartime") and I doubt the gov't would be providing it's citizens with full auto weapons, so it is important for us to have them already.


Disclaimer:
I have no plans or foresight of ever over throwing a governing body. However, that is what the 2A is in place for should the need ever arise.

 

[mudriver]

I wasn't going to buy a FA - but my wife talked me into a 9mm subgun a long time ago (should have bought more). I still think FA for civilians are really nothing but lead sprayers but I call my subgun the 'crowd pleaser'.

if you let some friends shoot your subgun they will have a priceless smile after 2 or 3 mags. Our subgun is worth it just for those experiences.

I would only get a subgun - I never enjoyed shooting assault rifles in FA. An Uzi or MP5 type gun is cheaper to feed, more controllable and easy for anyone to shoot. I can't afford to feed a belt fed.

 

[lefteyedom]

Full auto.... Good investment but otherwise a waste.

I spent 20 years in the AF Security Police trying to break kids of the urge to ROCK AND ROLL, GETSUM GETSUM,,,,,,,Boneheads.
It was dumb in training and deadly in combat. Aim shots even when being used as suppression fire were always better on semi.
Remember the rule of 3s...
30 days without food
3 days without water
3 minutes without air
but not 3 MutherF**King seconds without AMMO!!

 

[Gunnerpalace]

Gun Clubs are expected to include Liability Insurance. Some of them don't allow unrestricted use of Class 3 weapons because of that Policy.

I believe the NRA wrote those guidelines,

To all the anit-FA people, your bolt action rifle that can hit at 600yd's it is more accurate than the FA's, guess what the anti's will do next.................

 

[Thin Black Line]

"Every man should own a machine-gun and a convertible-top automobile once in his life. That way he'll know he never wants to own another one."

Does issued and/or rented count?

 

[jaholder1971]

I'd love to have one, but I'd never sell stuff to buy one.

 

[rscalzo]

Fortunatly I was able to play with all the full auto toys on the department's dime. We had a mint Thompson complete with the drum magazine. Moved up to AC556K's. Never warmed to them as we always had failures with them. We had one of the first M-16's off the line. It was bought by the old Chief for the Newark riots in the 60's. It has a three didgit SN. Slick side with a three prong flash supressor. They traded it for a song. We now have MP5's and SA Colt AR15A2's.

FA was fun for a while but after a while, SA was just fine.

The only FA that really was a kick was getting to go along with one of my Patrol Sergeant's down to Ft. Dix when he trained some Marines and Navy personnel. A was allowed to play with the M2 BMG. Now that I would pay to own. The Mark 19 wasn't half as much fun....Burning up taxpayer ammo was even a better deal.

 

[zombienerd]

How about go cheaper?

http://www.westernfirearms.com/wfc/m2?set=06&sz=1280x897

Even cheaper:
http://www.westernfirearms.com/wfc/sw76?set=11&sz=1280x897

http://www.westernfirearms.com/wfc/sten?set=08&sz=1280x897

http://www.westernfirearms.com/wfc/mac10?set=33&sz=1280x897

 

[BeltfedMG]

As for cheap, the kids take the M16 with the .22ceiner kit in it and bag full of 30 rnd mags and shoot frogs all day, full auto .22's at 900 RPM is just plain fun. And yes, it runs 100% reliable even in F/A in .22. I dont shoot the beltfeds due to its not justifieable anymore to shoot 10,000 rnds in a couple hrs like we used to when we got the ammo brought to us by tractor trailors for .03 rnd when bought in bulk, them days are gone, so now its time to get cal conversions and play cheap again. When you get bored with one MG just buy another, i just bought the wife a MP5 for christmas, there will be a MP5, and 2 cases of 9mm under the tree for her, ill be knee deep in pu%%y for a month when she gets it. HA

 

[Thin Black Line]

BfMG, are you going to start mining for lead anytime soon?

 

[Beagle-zebub]

Does issued and/or rented count?

That goes for blondes, too.