duty size gun carry for ccw

The Night Rider said:
Until it gets stolen
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I was suggesting it as a viable option for someone who finds a full size carry gun inaccessible or uncomfortable. He could just take it inside with him.

You know, like I was supposed to do with $5K-$20K of tools and equipment when I go home at night, or go into a job site, or go to lunch. Because if a company tool gets stolen from the vehicle it's a written reprimand. And if it gets stolen from the job site it's a written reprimand. And if it gets stolen from your house, they think you stole it. It's called personal responsibility.

I've been pretty lucky. In 27 years I've had the vehicle hit one time, and it was my personal tools, so I didn't have any issues with the company.
 
I am a big guy, and I can effectively conceal a full sized gun. Depending on the holster and gun, it can be decent to darned good. I wore a Springfield Milspec 1911 A1 to my aunts funeral - I was a pallbearer. The holster was a DeSantis duo carry II with the thumb snaps cut off. I wore a tucked in shirt with the gun in the 3:00 position, which is my normal carry spot. The only thing visible was the small black clip on my belt, and non gun people won't know what it is.

That holster was pretty comfortable, and I wore it a lot for my daily carry. I carried that gun for about a decade, and in the process, tried a few different holsters and locations. The best holster I found for concealment of an untucked shirt, and for comfort, was a Richie Hideaway.
 
WisBorn said:
I see vehicles that have gun stickers all over the window and bumper.

You might as well just put a sticker on the bumper that says GUN IN CENTER CONSOLE...
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Funny.
I’ve had gun and pro-2A stickers on the back window of all my trucks for the last 20 years at least.
I never even got any parking lot “dings” in any of them…perhaps because they thought that the owner “had a gun, and might be watching?”

I also keep a Sig P238 in the console, and a 12 gauge ShockWave in a scabbard, on the floor behind my center console; where I can reach it quickly. Both are still there; for more than a few years now.

I’ll take my actual experiences over your “guesstimations” any day.
 
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Full size fighting handgun....always. To me, that means at least Glock 19/23 with two spare mags and a backup gun. A quality holster and magazine pouch balances the weight of a fighting sized pistol and I don't even notice I am carrying after 30 plus years of habituation. I notice if I am NOT carrying.
 
My 1911s are simply a part of me. I’ve carried one for many years. I’ve also driven the same Jeep for 15 years. I get used to what I like and stick with it.
 
WisBorn said:
I see vehicles that have gun stickers all over the window and bumper.
You might as well just put a sticker on the bumper that says GUN IN CENTER CONSOLE...
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The only stickers on any of my vehicles is a Star Wars sticker. It says "Nerd Owned", nothing in here but a lightsaber and a Death Star air freshener. I even thought about putting a Biden sticker on my truck.
 
Rick McC. said:
Funny.
I’ve had gun and pro-2A stickers on the back window of all my trucks for the last 20 years at least.
I never even got any parking lot “dings” in any of them…perhaps because they thought that the owner “had a gun, and might be watching?”

I also keep a Sig P238 in the console, and a 12 gauge ShockWave in a scabbard, on the floor behind my center console; where I can reach it quickly. Both are still there; for more than a few years now.

I’ll take my actual experiences over your “guesstimations” any day.
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I know two people who left guns in their cars who had them stolen. One was my son. He was lucky, they caught the guys who stole it a couple of hours later. Took over a year to finally get it back, and they didn't make it easy. He had to jump through all sorts of hoops and all he got back was the gun itself. The holster, light, mags, carriers, and ammo all seemed to have disappeared.

Years ago, I used to keep a shotgun in an electric police cruiser rack in my work truck. Once I figured out they were so easy to defeat, and that other guy I mentioned above had his handgun stolen out of his work truck, I quit leaving guns in the truck, secured or not.
 
Rick McC. said:
I ’ll take my actual experiences over your “guesstimations” any day.
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I mean, have you not seen the various news stories from different towns with the police chief telling people X number of guns are being stolen from cars that were broken into every single night please don't leave your guns in your cars?

Have you not read the discussions here of people who have had their cars broken into?
 
LoL! I see you dudes at WM all the time with your full-sized carry pistol.

No one has to be able to see it. The gray crewcut is the first sign. The "I'm wearing a large pistol" vest totally clinches it. :)
 
trackskippy said:
I know two people who left guns in their cars who had them stolen. One was my son. He was lucky, they caught the guys who stole it a couple of hours later. Took over a year to finally get it back, and they didn't make it easy. He had to jump through all sorts of hoops and all he got back was the gun itself. The holster, light, mags, carriers, and ammo all seemed to have disappeared.

Years ago, I used to keep a shotgun in an electric police cruiser rack in my work truck. Once I figured out they were so easy to defeat, and that other guy I mentioned above had his handgun stolen out of his work truck, I quit leaving guns in the truck, secured or not.
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The whole thing about stickers comes down to personal choice. I don't believe that they significantly increase the probability that your vehicle is going to get targeted...based on all the years of taking stolen vehicle reports, and auto break-in reports. But, I allow for the possibility, and I am not an advocate of helping turds takeover the punchbowl.

Either way, my choice is more one of "It's really no one's business what I am into, and I don't really like a lot of crap stuck on my vehicles" other than my Star Wars sticker because it's kind of a "thing" with my daughter and me. One sure way to assure your guns don't get stolen out of your vehicle, bedazzled or not, is to NOT LEAVE THEM IN THE VEHICLE whenever possible. Dumbass officers I once worked with lost guns and gear because they were too lazy to remove them from their take home units. I always took my guns out of my cruiser.
 
Tallball said:
LoL! I see you dudes at WM all the time with your full-sized carry pistol.

No one has to be able to see it. The gray crewcut is the first sign. The "I'm wearing a large pistol" vest totally clinches it. :)
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LOL. Those boys and the OC boys are the decoys. :)

You wont see those guys in the NPE's, where what you do really matters.

If you use the right gear and carry yourself right, you can easily carry full sized guns.

Or, you can do like my one buddy, and have that Walther TPH "Skoal Ring" in your front pants pocket. Size of the gun doesn't matter much if you arent doing things right. ;)
 
Creaky_Old_Cop said:
The whole thing about stickers comes down to personal choice. I don't believe that they significantly increase the probability that your vehicle is going to get targeted...based on all the years of taking stolen vehicle reports, and auto break-in reports. But, I allow for the possibility, and I am not an advocate of helping turds takeover the punchbowl.

Either way, my choice is more one of "It's really no one's business what I am into, and I don't really like a lot of crap stuck on my vehicles" other than my Star Wars sticker because it's kind of a "thing" with my daughter and me. One sure way to assure your guns don't get stolen out of your vehicle, bedazzled or not, is to NOT LEAVE THEM IN THE VEHICLE whenever possible. Dumbass officers I once worked with lost guns and gear because they were too lazy to remove them from their take home units. I always took my guns out of my cruiser.
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Out of curiosity, nobody steals from police cars during the day?

Almost all our thefts occur during working hours. The best one was when my boss tried to get me to write a guy up for "allowing" a $10K piece of test gear to be stolen from his vehicle in VAMC parking lot. The tech's argument was that we had just had a rotary hammer stolen from inside the building and he thought the test gear was safer in the vehicle under a camera.
 
wayneinFL said:
Out of curiosity, nobody steals from police cars during the day?

Almost all our thefts occur during working hours. The best one was when my boss tried to get me to write a guy up for "allowing" a $10K piece of test gear to be stolen from his vehicle in VAMC parking lot. The tech's argument was that we had just had a rotary hammer stolen from inside the building and he thought the test gear was safer in the vehicle under a camera.
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It's extremely rare that a police vehicle, at least in my old department, had daylight thefts....that I heard about. After all, if you are dumb enough not to secure your cruiser, then you're probably not going to let anyone know about gear getting jacked. Sadly, from what I saw in the ranks in the years before I retired, departments are recruiting from "the special class" to fill positions in understaffed departments because no one with an IQ higher than body temperature really wants to do the job anymore and old hats are pulling the EJECT handle as soon as they have vestiture in their pensions.

Hell, the day I retired, I walked in to roll call, looked around and saw all the affirmative action hires and the ones who could barely compose a sentence in a report, or communicate in plain spoken English....and the "politician" female POC intersectional lieutenant who never worked a shift in patrol was giving a talk on inclusiveness, diversity, and tickling Elmo's inner muppet...and I went to personnel and signed MY papers, turned in my city gear and took an Uber home. Now they can pay some barely literate waterhead half what I made, and more power to them.
 
Tallball said:
LoL! I see you dudes at WM all the time with your full-sized carry pistol.

No one has to be able to see it. The gray crewcut is the first sign. The "I'm wearing a large pistol" vest totally clinches it. :)
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I mean, there is some truth to that.

I think I've talked about this before but where I live in Colorado Springs you can throw a rock and you're going to hit a middle-aged man wearing Wrangler cargo pants and a Camp shirt.

I was wandering around Costco one day with my wife and I decided to do an experiment and I counted every guy who was dressed generally the way I was.
Fourteen guys mostly wearing Wranglers but some with other brands of cargo pants. And all of us looking like we bought our shirts at Bass Pro or REI or Cabela's. I very rarely see the shoot me first vests

I'm sure some of them were carrying guns. Just as I'm sure the some of the guys that weren't dressed like us were carrying guns.

Of course my results might be skewed because I live in a military town.
 
wayneinFL said:
Out of curiosity, nobody steals from police cars during the day?

Almost all our thefts occur during working hours. The best one was when my boss tried to get me to write a guy up for "allowing" a $10K piece of test gear to be stolen from his vehicle in VAMC parking lot. The tech's argument was that we had just had a rotary hammer stolen from inside the building and he thought the test gear was safer in the vehicle under a camera.
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Within the last 5-10 years there was a local police officer who took his cruiser home every night. Parked in the driveway.
A juvenile swiped his duty issued AR.
 
Anchorite said:
Within the last 5-10 years there was a local police officer who took his cruiser home every night. Parked in the driveway.
A juvenile swiped his duty issued AR.
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Not the same thing but

Several years ago a CSPD M 16 Not an AR15, bounced out of the trunk of a cop car at Galley and Platte.

The cop didn't notice. Someone picked up the rifle and drove off.

15 years later the person who found it got pulled over and the cops found the rifle in his trunk. I'm pretty sure he was a prohibited person. He claimed he meant to turn the rifle in but "forgot".
 
The Night Rider said:
Not the same thing but

Several years ago a CSPD M 16 Not an AR15, bounced out of the trunk of a cop car at Galley and Platte.

The cop didn't notice. Someone picked up the rifle and drove off.

15 years later the person who found it got pulled over and the cops found the rifle in his trunk. I'm pretty sure he was a prohibited person. He claimed he meant to turn the rifle in but "forgot".
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When I worked in Palm Beach County one of the police chiefs (Delray?) had his company car stolen. There was an automatic rifle in it. I don't know if they ever found the car, let alone the guns that were in it.
 
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