DW Cmdr.bobtail vs EB Cmdr Kobra carry

[tinroad37e]

I want fixed sights and I'm not crazy about stainless. I guess I could by the CBOB and have it refinished.

 

[rellascout]

bac1023,

So if I go out and buy a Ed Brown right now today then my points become valid? Is that what you are saying? IF you don't own one you can't commnet. I don't have to own a Lorcin to know its a piece of ****.

That is the arrogance you are displaying here. You are basically telling me that my opinions do not matter until I have paid to be in the Ed brown "club". I call bull**** on that one. I can examine and determine the value of a firearm just as well as you can.

I love how you name drop and then discount others ownership, while crowing about your own and using ownership as the foundation for you opinion. Unlike you my point in naming pistols I own was simply to demonstrate to you I know what a high end 1911 is all about. That I have seen them owned them, shot them etc... Who gives a **** if I have ever owned an Ed Brown. I don't have to own one to know what they are and what they are worth.

Once again to get back to the OP. You still have not answered a single questions about how the Ed Brown functions better than the CBOB. Please give me concrete examples of the "extreme" value of the Ed Brown. Is it accuracy? It is slide fit. Is it longevity, whats the round count through each of these guns you own.

Come on and answer the questions. Don't dodge them. All you have stated is that I own one and they are worth it. No concrete evidence. I own one does not constitute a convincing arguement IMHO.

 

[Marshall]

Fot the $ I'll take the DW.

 

[Babalouie]

rellascout drop the attitude and name calling or drop out of the thread. He's not acting in an arrogant fashion he's stating his case and quite frankly he's doing it with a lot patience and class. You make this sound like there's some personal afront taking place and I don't appreciate you turning this into an adversarial process. I'll be asking the mods to look into this.

 

[Hansli]

rellascout drop the attitude and name calling or drop out of the thread. He's not acting in an arrogant fashion he's stating his case and quite frankly he's doing it with a lot patience and class. You make this sound like there's some personal afront taking place and I don't appreciate you turning this into an adversarial process. I'll be asking the mods to look into this.

Babalouie is correct on all counts. I own a CBOB and it is very nice, but I also know that a BMW, while a very nice car, is not an Enzo.

 

[bac1023]

bac1023,

So if I go out and buy a Ed Brown right now today then my points become valid? Is that what you are saying? IF you don't own one you can't commnet. I don't have to own a Lorcin to know its a piece of ****.

That is the arrogance you are displaying here. You are basically telling me that my opinions do not matter until I have paid to be in the Ed brown "club". I call bull**** on that one. I can examine and determine the value of a firearm just as well as you can.

I love how you name drop and then discount others ownership, while crowing about your own and using ownership as the foundation for you opinion. Unlike you my point in naming pistols I own was simply to demonstrate to you I know what a high end 1911 is all about. That I have seen them owned them, shot them etc... Who gives a **** if I have ever owned an Ed Brown. I don't have to own one to know what they are and what they are worth.

Once again to get back to the OP. You still have not answered a single questions about how the Ed Brown functions better than the CBOB. Please give me concrete examples of the "extreme" value of the Ed Brown. Is it accuracy? It is slide fit. Is it longevity, whats the round count through each of these guns you own.

Come on and answer the questions. Don't dodge them. All you have stated is that I own one and they are worth it. No concrete evidence. I own one does not constitute a convincing arguement IMHO.

How am I being arrogant? I think YOU are displaying ignorance. If you don't think Ed Browns are worth the money, so be it. I really could not care less.

Also, what do you mean "concrete evidence"? Its my opinion. I shoot the Kobra more accurately than I shoot my CBOB and I like its fit and finish better. To me its smoother. To me it has a better trigger. That's it and that's that. What more do you want me to say???

BACK TO THE OP. If your opinion differs, even with ZERO experience with 50% of the 1911s in question, fine.

One thing I don't do on any of the forums I belong to is try to argue points on firearms I don't own or have extensive experience with. To me, my points don't hold as much weight until I can speak from experience. That goes for many things, not just firearms.

 

[bac1023]

Guys, I'm sorry if I did anything to screw up this thread. I just thought some would like an opinion from a person with experence with both guns. That's all. Its only one man's opinion. Yours may vary.

I'm a newer member on this forum in particular and it seems like one of the better sites out there. I just don't want to get off on the wrong foot. I am a collector and shooter of 1911s and other firearms and enjoy giving my honest opinion.

 

[Stephen A. Camp]

This is getting very old. It seems that some members, even "senior" ones are losing the ability to post in a thread w/o starting some sort of problem.

I find it sad that this seems to be more and more the norm.

Having to have the last word is a sad way to look at things in my opinion.

Perhaps the banning of an individual or two would serve us all well? I am to that point. It seems that more and more that certain people's "names" are tied to problems in thread after thread.

If you cannot post w/o starting an argument or being constantly argumentative then how about not posting?

One senior member here is v e r y close to being permanently banned.

The thread will remain open, at least for now, but some of the "attitudes" need to drop.

 

[Downrange]

I love all my 1911s. The CBOB is, to date, the most money I've put into any of them. To me, spending 2K on a 1911 just isn't something I want to do; there are other things that I would do with that money first. But I'm not disparaging anyone who wants to do so. I'd love to own a Wilson someday, actually.
The CBOB is just an incredible bargain, kind of like getting a Hyundai that has 90 per cent of features and quality of the same size Bimmer. I know it has a cast frame and that doesn't bother me. The new ones, btw, have Ed Brown safeties, iirc, in place of the STI mim part (which is an outstanding part, btw - mim in this area is not all that big a deal). They also use lots of other premium parts throughout, have great triggers from the factory, and tend to shoot pretty well. They're so tight that some people have had slides jam until they've gotten a few hundred rounds through them. If they were 2K guns, might they be a little better out of the box? Probably, but the shooter who's going to put a lot of rounds through it is going to "work out the kinks" anyway. DW also has outstanding service and stands behind their product. So, it's really personal preference and level of investment. I'm just amazed that DW has offerred such a great pistol at such a price.

 

[rellascout]

Hey Bac1023,

I want to say that I do not disagree with you as much as it may appear. I am very familar with the ED Brown line of pisols. I have handled many of them. I have handled tons of 1911s. Some were $200 Norinco others were full house customs.

What I was attempting to illustrate was that the real world practical differences between a $900 and $2000 are not what most people perceive.

They are not 3 times more accurate. They are not fit 3 times as nicely. I think that at times they are worth the money but people need to understand that you are paying a lot of money for a very small difference. It is like that with most products.

Once you pay a certain level or obtain a certain level of quality there is point of diminishing returns for your money.

I know tons of people who did not understand what they were really going to get when they stepped up to a $2000 1911 and in the end the hype ended with disappointment with emptying of the pocket book. Too many people jump right to this $2k plus guns without knowing what they are paying for. I mean how many new 1911 shooters have never shot a base stock gun. IMHO that is a shame. When people jump right to a $2,000 gun and they don't get that warm fuzzy. This ends their love of the weapon before it has even begun.

When I think of value I think of bang for the buck. I believe that for 90% of shooters the differences in high end 1911 are lost on the buyer. That is what makes the CBOB such a winner. It pushes into that high end area without the high end price.

I am sorry for my overly direct statements. Welcome to THR. Please accept my apology.

 

[robctwo]

I've been looking at the DW CBOB for a while now. I also have been trying to talk myself into ordering the DW 9mm 1911. I own an Ed Brown Exec Target, two Les Baer PIIs, one .45 and one 9mm, a S&W1911PD Commander and a SA Black Stainless Target in which I switched out the ignition parts for Ed Brown parts. I like all levels of guns,including the bargain basement Bersa Thunder in .380 I bought years ago. I also have a variety of CZs and a BHP. Have owned very nice sigs in 9mm and .45.

Any gun costing more than my CZ75BD, which cost $389 in 2002 is not worth the price if what I'm looking for is a totally reliable, accurate and ergonomic for me firearm. That's not what I'm looking for. I want variety. I had my 9mm Baer at the range shooting speed steel yesterday. It cost just under $1,900 with one mag. I have 12. Our squad finished the day shooting everyone's guns for fun. Pretty normal event for us. I got to shoot a new Beretta 87 target with red dot scope, 9mm Colt AR, S&W super duper revolver of some kind shooting 38 spl. reloads, a Sig 226 and an M&P 9mm.

The consensus from all the shooters was that the Baer was by far more fun to shoot. Is it worth more than a Kimber, SA or DW 1911 9mm? Who knows. One of the guys fairly new to shooting was asking about spending that much for one gun. I wouldn't/didn't spend that much for my one gun when I started shooting, and do not recommend anyone doing that. I do know that this gun will outlive me with lots of shooting. I might need to put a new barrel and bushing in it. I hope to need to do that somewhere around 75-150,000 rounds.

When we are shooting in groups and I let folks shoot the Brown or Baer in .45 they like them. Enough to spend the $ to own one? Maybe, maybe not. I am sure that I spend lots more in ammo than I ever spend on a gun.

One thing that I have liked about the high road is the high level of discourse and the ability to disagree without being disagreeable. We owe it to each other to maintain that atmosphere.

 

[tinroad37e]

I believe the cheapest (not in quality) 1911 you can buy is Rock Island. I have two Ed Brown 1911s and I wanted a cheap 1911 to fire and not worry about scratching up. I bought the Rock Island and I was highly impressed for the price. So much I bought a Rock Island compact. Both are just as reliable as my Browns. I'm not trying to comparing the two, just trying to convey the fact that you don't have to spend $2,000+ to own a reliable 1911.

If you look at bac1023's photos you will see the difference between a high dollar 1911 and a production 1911. Look at the fitting of the grip safety on the Dan Wesson and the Cobra Carry. Small things like that add up. Personally, the CBOB grip safety does not bother me. I was just pointing it out. My next 1911 will most likely be a Dan Wesson.

Everybody has opinions, likes, and dislikes. Hell, if we all liked the same 1911 manufacturer and model, we wouldn't need all the others. Personally, I dislike Kimbers and will never own another. I'm not ready to call another member's mom a whore because he likes Kimbers.

I'm from Texas, what more can I say?

 

[bac1023]

Hey Bac1023,

I want to say that I do not disagree with you as much as it may appear. I am very familar with the ED Brown line of pisols. I have handled many of them. I have handled tons of 1911s. Some were $200 Norinco others were full house customs.

What I was attempting to illustrate was that the real world practical differences between a $900 and $2000 are not what most people perceive.

They are not 3 times more accurate. They are not fit 3 times as nicely. I think that at times they are worth the money but people need to understand that you are paying a lot of money for a very small difference. It is like that with most products.

Once you pay a certain level or obtain a certain level of quality there is point of diminishing returns for your money.

I know tons of people who did not understand what they were really going to get when they stepped up to a $2000 1911 and in the end the hype ended with disappointment with emptying of the pocket book. Too many people jump right to this $2k plus guns without knowing what they are paying for. I mean how many new 1911 shooters have never shot a base stock gun. IMHO that is a shame. When people jump right to a $2,000 gun and they don't get that warm fuzzy. This ends their love of the weapon before it has even begun.

When I think of value I think of bang for the buck. I believe that for 90% of shooters the differences in high end 1911 are lost on the buyer. That is what makes the CBOB such a winner. It pushes into that high end area without the high end price.

I am sorry for my overly direct statements. Welcome to THR. Please accept my apology.

Apology accepted. I too apologize if I came off strongly. That's certainly not the way I want to seem.

No, they aren't 3 times more accurate. They may not be any more accurate, depending on the shooter. Once again, Dan Wessons are great 1911s for the money. Even the Valor, at a higher price point, represents a very good value, in my opinion.

 

[Downrange]

BTW, thanks to BAC for posting the great eye candy!

 

[rellascout]

I have been looking at the Valor but choose to go a different route. It looks like a nice step up from the rest of the Dan Wesson line without killing the buyer.

 

[kenjs1]

great pics

beautiful pistols bac!! Pricing 1911's seems to be like comparing rifle scopes. You can get very good inexpensive ones these days or spend three, four, or five times as much. Both will let you shoot deer or targets so the same arguments apply. No right or wrong, just two sides of the same coin.