Florida Teacher Fired Over Gun in His Truck

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Bailey, I honestly am not trying to argue with you, and I appreciate the points, but you again ignore exactly what I said, and I still think that I am reading the law correctly. Let me qoute my exact example:

In Colorado, it's legal to carry a loaded handgun in your car. I can go most anyplace with a loaded pistol in my car and be fine. The second I drive onto campus (and I am a teacher, so I am aware of the law), I am breaking the law. Not the law that says it's legal to carry a loaded pistol, but the law that says "no firearms on campus" Two different laws.

Notice, I make no mention of a carry permit. Like I say, I let mine lapse, and I think we covered that ground satisfactorily already anyway.

Notice I specifically state "loaded handgun". I believe that I am completely correct when I say that I would be breaking the law by carrying my loaded handgun in my truck onto school grounds, because I am overstepping the rules set down in paragraph C. Further, Paragraph D would seem to indicate that it is acceptable to have a loaded handgun on school grounds (in this case) only for self defense, which would not be the case if I was parking and then going in for ten hours. However, that may be splitting hairs, I don't know, and I could probably be convinced to concede that point in principle to you.

What I do know, for certain and without regard to law, is that if a gun was spotted in my truck somehow (which would be impossible where I keep it), and the school was alerted to that, there would be hell to pay, and while I wouldn't necessarily lose my job, I would without a doubt be standing tall in front of the man explaining what I was doing with a gun in my truck on campus. Telling him "hey, it's legal, you can't do anything about it" would likely result in instant firing, which the union wouldn't even bother trying to defend because of the magic phrase "safety of the children". You and I and pretty much everyone here on THR knows that's a bunch of crapola, but thats what would happen. Look, it's not illegal to have a accidental discharge, right? As a cop, if you have one, your probably going to get into a whole heck of a lot more trouble than I, as a civilian, would, right? I am telling you, aside from our discussion of the letter of the law, that no teacher with half a brain brings a gun onto campus, regardless of the legality. On a completely unrelated note, tobacco is an even worse offense in Colorado schools. I am a lifelong dipper, and I usually sneak a bandit or two during the day, and it is dangerous and, frankly, stupid of me to do. Long gone are the days of teachers smoking in the lounge! I could (and assuredly do not)distribute Playboys to my students and still not get fired as fast as I would if I lit a cigarette.

Winchester, it is not legal to carry concealed in Colorado without a permit. I am not sure if that's what you were trying to say, but if it was, that is 100% wrong.
 
OK,but in:AK,AZ,CO,DE,FL,GA,ID,KS,KY,LA,MS,,MO,MT,NE,NV,NM,NC,OR,SC,SD,TX,VT,VA,and WY,loaded handguns may be carried without a permit.

Winchester, it is not legal to carry concealed in Colorado without a permit. I am not sure if that's what you were trying to say, but if it was, that is 100% wrong.


See,you misread my post.No mention of concealed carry.
We are talking about VEHICLE carry without a permit..Isn't that what all the posts including my OP are all about?Guns in vehicles?
 
(2)(a) A person shall not possess any firearm, electric weapon or device, destructive device, or other weapon as defined in s. 790.001(13), including a razor blade or box cutter, except as authorized in support of school-sanctioned activities, at a school-sponsored event or on the property of any school, school bus, or school bus stop; however, a person may carry a firearm:

1. In a case to a firearms program, class or function which has been approved in advance by the principal or chief administrative officer of the school as a program or class to which firearms could be carried;

2. In a case to a career center having a firearms training range; or

3. In a vehicle pursuant to s. 790.25(5); except that school districts may adopt written and published policies that waive the exception in this subparagraph for purposes of student and campus parking privileges.

This is directly from Chapter 790, Florida Statutes. As you can see it is NOT a criminal offense to have a firearm in your vehicle on school grounds. The moment you carry it into a school facility, you are committing a crime. That said, I can still be expelled from my school for having a gun in my car, but no legal action would be pursued.

By the way, a sidewalk is public and not part of the school facility either.
 
While I don't like the law, y'all are acting as if he weren't breaking it.

I think the reaction is based on dismay over this law.

Funny how there is such a fear/concern over school shootings, yet teachers who CCW, the very people who could prevent future school shootings, cannot carry legally.

* If a law is irrational or wrong it needs to be questioned and challenged. This is the the place to do it.
 
TimboKhan,

You've lost your credibility on this topic. Perhaps you should be quiet for awhile.

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The guy was not arrested for breaking the law - he was fired. Big difference.

If your employer had a rule against beverages at your work station and you got caught with coffee, you can be fired even though you've broken no laws. Employers can and do have stricter rules for their employees to follow than the penal code.

I find this rather ironic since I used to have my students build carbon dioxide cannons as a chemistry project and the physics teacher used to bring his deer rifle into class when he was discussing machines. The world has apparently become more complicated since then.
 
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Who are you to say when someone has lost their credibility? Each of us can decide for themselves. I, for one, don't appreciate you telling someone to stop posting because you don't find the posts relevant or useful. As far as I know, the 1st amendment is still in force.
 
How did I lose credibility? I have defended every thing I have said reasonably well, and if you look at the article, it says that the guy was charged with carrying a gun on school property. While that charge was dropped, obviously there IS a restriction of some sort or he wouldn't have gotten charged with it to begin with.

As far as my statements on Colorado law, Bailey and I have had a nice conversation in which I defended my points in my examples reasonably well. If you disagree, fine. To tell me that I should be quiet is not the sort of thing that is considered High Road, dude. As far as my comment to Winchester, I was unsure if he meant concealed carry, said so, and he didn't. Case closed. As far as my statements about how schools react, jeez. Dude, there are any number of examples of how schools overreact to stuff. There is a post active right now about a kid that got suspended for having a ink pen with the glock logo on it (though they did get it back and the suspension was wiped from his records). You really find it so hard to imagine that what I am saying isn't true?

Rather than slam me for what I have said, why don't you tell me why my credibility is gone....

I find this rather ironic since I used to have my students build carbon dioxide cannons as a chemistry project and the physics teacher used to bring his deer rifle into class when he was discussing machines. The world has apparently become more complicated since then

Indeed it is. When I graduated in 1990, we used to bring our shotguns to school and store them in the office so we could duck hunt with the principle after school! I went to a small rural school, and no one thought anything about it, really. Now? Now there weekly drug sweeps and school security guards, among other things. We didn't even have locks on our lockers when I was there!
 
How did I lose credibility?

I don't think you've lost credibility.This is a very contentious topic with a lot of shades of gray.And because it affects so many people you're going to get a lot of emotion about the issue of property owner and gun owner rights.
You have almost 3,000 posts and have been contributing to this forum for three years.That's credible enough for me.
Let's let this thread slide off into the mist and begin anew.
We'll all feel better tomorrow.Well ,I will since I have the day off.
 
TimboKahn,

You say you are a teacher…right? If so, then why can’t you tell the difference between School District Policy and Criminal Law – for you are obviously mixing the two?

The “no guns on campus within a vehicle” Policy is just that – a School District Policy which may only be enforced by making the gun-owner to leave the campus. It is not Law – as a result there are no Criminal Penalties – just as there are no Criminal Penalties for “Chewing Gun on Class” or “Forgetting to ask permission to go to the Bathroom”.

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I don't know that I have ever confused the two. I clearly was arguing law with Bailey, and I added my opinion on what would happen with policy.

Anyway, I am done with this thread. I think I have said all I need to say and anything further will be beating a dead horse.
 
Timbokhan,
I'd say it's fairly clear that it's not against the law:

3. It shall not be an offense under this section if.
c) The person is in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance and is carrying a weapon for lawful protection of that person’s or another’s person or property while traveling;

I'd say it's pretty hard to say that with this paragraph it would be illegal to drive across campus with your gun in your car. Hard to say re: LEAVING the gun in your car.
 
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