Emailed Remington about accuracy issues, let’s see what they say..

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Bayourambler

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I just sent an email to Remington about the sendero 300 wm I bought this year. I spent a bunch of time (and money on ammo) trying to reach my 1” group at 100 yd goal and have failed. I have tried 3 different factory ammos, and 19 different handload combos using 3 different powders and 6 different bullets. I’m done, on a good day it will give me 1.5” groups and I don’t find it accecptible for a $1,300 rifle. I would have bought a $500 rifle and most likely gotten the same results. I’m awaiting their response.
 
What is the guarantee on your paperwork? If no accuracy guarantee, then what Remington does is up to them.
 
boom boom said:
What is the guarantee on your paperwork? If no accuracy guarantee, then what Remington does is up to them.
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No guarantee on accuracy. You are right, its just up to them. I'm not the type to moan and complain because its not horrible, but simply want to know what is expected out of this rifle. I just figured with all the extra weight, and price it would be a lil better than 1.5". If they do nothing I'll bring it to a shop let them do whatever it takes to make it better, and be done with Remington.
 
Bayourambler said:
No guarantee on accuracy. You are right, its just up to them. I'm not the type to moan and complain because its not horrible, but simply want to know what is expected out of this rifle. I just figured with all the extra weight, and price it would be a lil better than 1.5". If they do nothing I'll bring it to a shop let them do whatever it takes to make it better, and be done with Remington.
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By your initial post, you didn't try a few loads and give up, that was a lot of time, money and effort you put in. And I'm with you on what Remington does. If they don't have a guarantee, and they do nothing about it then they will start getting the reputation of take a chance at what you get or to expect mediocre accuracy when compared to the other manufacturers out there.

I'm sure they will do something about it, hopefully a trip to Remington's shop fixes your issue, it still sucks as they are more than likely going to make you pay shipping. I my opinion manufacturers at the very least should make the customer pay shipping back to their shop, but if its a manufacturer problem, reimburse the owner of shipping costs.
 
I don't mean to start something but load development aside, have you gone over other key elements like the stock, optics, mounts, and rings? Not knowing you proficiency or familiarity with magnum calibers, have you put the rifle in anyone else's hands?

I ask because it is generally assumed that a guy working up ammo knows muzzle from breech, but I've seen veteran shooters, my own father included, miss key elements where a new rifle was concerned. In his case the ammo was not an accurate load and after firing more than 200 rounds his scope rings loosened (which REALLY didn't help). This was also on a .300 Win Mag.
 
Skylerbone said:
I don't mean to start something but load development aside, have you gone over other key elements like the stock, optics, mounts, and rings? Not knowing you proficiency or familiarity with magnum calibers, have you put the rifle in anyone else's hands?

I ask because it is generally assumed that a guy working up ammo knows muzzle from breech, but I've seen veteran shooters, my own father included, miss key elements where a new rifle was concerned. In his case the ammo was not an accurate load and after firing more than 200 rounds his scope rings loosened (which REALLY didn't help). This was also on a .300 Win Mag.
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Yes, I tried bedding recoil lug, (factory fit was sloppy), checked and torqued all screws on DNZ one piece mounts several times. Let other people shoot it, put it in a vise, lead sled etc etc.... Its a 1.5" gun, I'm convinced.
 
Ruger put a new barrel on a rifle I purchased new. It didn't cost me a dime. I was shocked. The sad part was it didn't improve anything. I sold it.

Maybe Remington will replace your barrel but don't expect that to happen. If you send it back they will test it and determine if they should do something about it.

I'm thinking they won't but you won't know until you send it back. That seems to be a common malady these days with rifles built in the US.

Here are the last four new rifles I purchased. A CZ, 2 Howa's and a Ruger. The only one that had a barrel problem was the Ruger.
 
I'd hate to spend a lot of money on a fairly new rifle. That said it would be tempting to have a quality barrel installed by a real smith and be done with it.
 
MtnCreek said:
I'd hate to spend a lot of money on a fairly new rifle. That said it would be tempting to have a quality barrel installed by a real smith and be done with it.
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probably what will end up happening. Whats the cost on something like that? I have no clue.
 
Gordon said:
I would buy a box of Federal Gold Match ammo
https://www.federalpremium.com/ammu...old-medal/gold-medal-sierra-matchking/gm300wm
and send them a picture of the group and rifle and sled ect. , just to shut them up and get some help with a bad barrel .
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I have a feeling they already know a lot of their barrels won't shoot MOA or even close. I don't think the problem will be getting them to replace the barrel but what will you have once it's replaced? This is a quality control issue that they apparently don't mind living with. If they had good quality control none of those sub par barrels would be installed on their rifles.

Ruger has the same problem but it's likely they just go thru a lot of barrels until they find a good one. Some people wouldn't complain about that precision so a lot of those rifles never will go back. I would have been happy with 2 MOA (357) but I couldn't get that with 2 barrels. I tried 4 different bullet weights and about 4 different loads using each bullet, Nada.

Ever heard of anyone complaining about CZ, or Tikka, or Browning barrels? Hardly ever, but I hear plenty of complaints about Ruger and Remington.
 
Bayourambler said:
I would have bought a $500 rifle and most likely gotten the same results.
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Or maybe better depending on the rifle make and model.

Since you're convinced it's a 1.5" rifle I believe you. I also agree with others that expectations are low that they will do anything to improve it. Likely a note saying "we've tested this rifle and found the accuracy to be acceptable and within specs".

That said, I wouldn't be happy with it either. If it ends up back in your lap I'd be one to opt for an action true-up, re barrel and bedding job. That's adding value. You'll take a loss if you sell it.
 
Nature Boy said:
Or maybe better depending on the rifle make and model.

Since you're convinced it's a 1.5" rifle I believe you. I also agree with others that expectations are low that they will do anything to improve it. Likely a note saying "we've tested this rifle and found the accuracy to be acceptable and within specs".

That said, I wouldn't be happy with it either. If it ends up back in your lap I'd be one to opt for an action true-up, re barrel and bedding job. That's adding value. You'll take a loss if you sell it.
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Yes, I wont sell it, it being a 700 I know that it can become a good gun in the correct hands. I already have the action, h-s precision stock, and good mounts. Maybe put a jewel trigger, and a good barrel....
 
ER shaw will get you out the door for about 350. Ive used them for a few rebarrels, and they have consistently provided good service and good barrels. IMO they rank about the same as a top quality factory barrel.
The premium stuff is generally considered better (i only have 1), but also costs about double.

They trued up one of my 700s and installed a sporter weight barrel, and thats been one of my most consistent rifles.
 
I was in a similar situation with a new M70 Extreme Weather a year or so ago. Winchester tested the rifle, said it wasn't up to their standards and sent me a replacement. The replacement didn't shoot any better, so I asked for a refund... Which they quickly delivered. Pretty stand up service as far as I was concerned. Just a data point for comparison.

If they don't fix it, I'd be tempted to screw on a remage type barrel from Criterion. That would save you installation costs, and the reviews are uniformly good on Criterions.
 
Gtscotty said:
I was in a similar situation with a new M70 Extreme Weather a year or so ago. Winchester tested the rifle, said it wasn't up to their standards and sent me a replacement. The replacement didn't shoot any better, so I asked for a refund... Which they quickly delivered. Pretty stand up service as far as I was concerned. Just a data point for comparison.

If they don't fix it, I'd be tempted to screw on a remage type barrel from Criterion. That would save you installation costs, and the reviews are uniformly good on Criterions.
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What kind of groups would the M70's shoot?
 
If uncle Remmy doesn't fix it, I second the vote for a Criterion Remage barrel and be done with it. Probably get $100 for the old one on ebay even stating the accuracy honestly.
 
Bayourambler said:
What kind of groups would the M70's shoot?
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Most loads were between 1.5" and 2", not good enough, and not on par with the three other FN M70's I've owned. I would guess that I got a couple lemons, or maybe they were both from a bum batch. I have no problem with Winchester/Browning/FN given how they handled it. My next rifle is going to be a suppressed elk hunting rifle, and I'd definitely consider a Winchester, but I'm looking for stainless and lightweight, and they have been pretty stagnant in their development of new offerings along those lines.
 
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dranrab said:
Bayou, did you try a different scope?
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no I haven’t the scope on this thing is a 34 mm tube. I don’t even know anyone around here with one I could try. I’ve put in a vise and tested the tracking and it’s return to zero it’s always worked perfect, and reacted correctly when I dialed in shots. If I owned another I would defiantly try it.
 
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