EMS article on 'pistol packing patients'

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Bumped into this on Twin Cities Carry forum

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http://www.emsresponder.com/publication/article.jsp?pubId=1&id=9126

Pistol-Packin' Patients
By Alan W. Rose

What to know about legally armed patients and handling handguns safely

You are dispatched to a person "not awake but breathing" at the local park. Upon arrival your crew, including an EMT student, finds an adult female unresponsive, with classic signs of anaphylaxis. After initiating treatment, you decide to conduct the rest of your physical assessment en route. As transport begins, your student starts an exam, and the patient begins to respond. Suddenly the student exclaims, "Hey, she's got a gun!"

EMS providers may encounter patients who are armed. Awareness of a patient's handgun may come through the patient's admission or by discovery during the physical exam. This article deals primarily with patients who are armed legally and not behaving aggressively toward EMS.

Absent other factors, the mere presence of a legally carried handgun should not indicate a threat to provider safety. Concealed-carry permit holders have a criminal conviction rate much lower than that of the general population.1–3 Illegally carried handguns obviously present a different set of concerns. As a rule of thumb, the vast majority of off-duty law enforcement officers (LEOs) and legally armed citizens use holsters, while illegally carried handguns are usually found tucked in the waistband or pocketed without a holster.Many LEOs are required to wear badges next to their weapons. Only government-issued badges and documents are official.

Citizens in 48 states can carry concealed weapons with a permit (the exceptions being Illinois and Wisconsin, plus Washington, DC). Permit holders account for more than 1.3% of the population.4 This means more than one in every 100 patients can be assumed to have a permit,although not all permit holders will be in possession of a firearm when seen by EMS. Usually citizens are required to attend firearms training and pass a background check before they're issued a permit to carry a concealed weapon. The prerequisites vary by state. Vermont and Alaska allow concealed weapons without permits, and unconcealed carry of handguns without a permit is legal in many states.5 Nebraska recently enacted legislation requiring permit holders to disclose and surrender their handguns to EMS personnel.6 However, most states have no such legislation, and patients with altered levels of consciousness may be unable to comply with such a law.

EMS agencies should have protocols in place for dealing with legally carried firearms. Providers have a duty to themselves and their coworkers to make handguns safe until they can be secured or turned over to law enforcement. It is dangerous to leave firearms with ill or injured patients such as the one in our opening scenario—she may require immediate treatment, have an altered level of consciousness or be physically impaired by injury. The handgun may impede application of a backboard. Narcotic treatment may be indicated, such as for pain management.

There is no cause for alarm when taking custody of a firearm. Handguns do not "go off" by themselves. A handgun will only discharge if the trigger is depressed or if there is a mechanical malfunction. Such malfunctions are extremely rare. There have been isolated cases of discharge when a firearm is dropped, usually involving old guns. Fortunately, there is an established set of rules to govern the safe handling of firearms (see Table 1).

To maximize safety, EMS providers are encouraged to seek professional instruction prior to attempting to manipulate any handgun. Gun shops and trainers in your area may be willing to offer brief tutorials.

The information in this article is meant only as a general reference to augment, not replace, hands-on instruction. The variety of handguns, especially pistols, available on the market and the steps required to unload and/or make them safe cannot be adequately addressed without hands-on instruction.

HOLSTERS
Virtually all holsters are designed to prevent inadvertent trigger presses by covering the trigger. Most have retention features that prevent the handgun from being easily dislodged or removed. These features include buttons, straps and tight "friction" fit. Some holsters are secured to the body by solid belt loops, while others slip over the belt. Usually, holsters can be removed with the firearm safely inside. Lacking a holster, some knowledge of handgun mechanisms is necessary to maintain safety.

You may find a holstered handgun at any point along the belt, in an elastic band or pouch inside clothing, under the armpit, on the ankle or thigh, hanging from a necklace, or in a pocket. Handguns are usually carried loaded and with extra ammunition. You may find other weapons as well, including additional handguns. Several manufacturers offer specialty concealment apparel with hidden pockets. Off-body carry options include purses, fanny packs, day planners and backpacks.

What kinds of handguns may be found on patients?

REVOLVERS
A revolver is designed to place a cartridge (cased bullet and powder) under the hammer for firing by using a rotating cylinder that may hold 5–7 cartridges. Cocking the hammer rotates the cylinder. Pressing the trigger causes the cartridge to fire. Most modern revolvers will cock automatically when the trigger is pressed, eliminating the need for two separate actions. Some revolvers do not have external (visible) hammers. The revolver is rarely seen with a manual safety device, as safety is assumed due to its heavy trigger pull weight. While some may be modified for a light (hair-trigger) pull weight, this only applies if the revolver is cocked. If a revolver is found cocked, be extremely careful. Only touch a cocked revolver if you must immediately remove it from a dangerous situation. A cocked revolver cannot be unloaded until it is uncocked. There is danger in uncocking a revolver even for experienced gun users. To uncock a revolver, it must be put through a firing sequence. For right-handed operation:

Place the left thumb blocking the hammer. This is your safety.
Hold the right thumb on the hammer.
Press the trigger with the right index finger.
Slowly lower the hammer completely, gradually withdrawing the left thumb.
To unload an uncocked revolver:

Press the cylinder latch, located behind the cylinder on the left side, forward, back or in, depending on the design.
Push the cylinder open from the right, tip the barrel up, and allow the cartridges to drop free.
Occasionally the ejector rod, located at the front center of the cylinder, must be depressed to facilitate unloading.
SEMI-AUTOMATICS
Fully automatic pistols, which fire multiple times with one press of the trigger, are rare, but may be encountered with some specialized protective or law enforcement agencies. Most of these look like small submachine guns. Semi-automatic pistols are loaded by inserting a loaded magazine, then manually cycling (pulling back) the slide. Pressing the trigger and firing the pistol causes the slide to cycle and places another cartridge in the chamber, making it ready to fire again by another pull of the trigger.

There is no industry standard for the operational controls on pistols. A pistol may or may not have a manual safety. If available, this is usually located on the upper left side at the rear (near the thumb). On many pistols, up means safe, and down means fire. Some have the opposite function. Most have an indicator such as a red dot or other icon visible to indicate readiness to fire. Some safeties have an uncocking feature, which requires a downward press. Many semi-auto pistols have no external hammer. Some are designed to be carried "cocked and locked"—that is, cocked with the safety engaged. The uncocking procedure for these carries the same danger as revolvers. Having the pistol owner's instructions or a working knowledge of the pistol is mandatory prior to unloading. The magazine release is usually located at the rear of the trigger guard on the left side, but may be on the right or at the bottom of the grip. The magazine may drop rapidly or may have to be pulled free. Removing the magazine does not remove the cartridge already loaded into the chamber. The slide must be cycled to remove this cartridge. The safety may have to be disengaged to cycle the slide. Failure to remove the magazine prior to cycling the slide will only cycle another round into the chamber, so be sure to remove the magazine first.

DISCOVERED GUNS
What do you do with a discovered handgun? If it's holstered, leave it there. This is the safest way to remove and handle a handgun. It is not necessary to unload a holstered handgun; unnecessary manipulation increases the risk of discharge. Cut the belt or holster away if necessary. Be aware that a growing number of handguns can be key-locked with a key supplied by the manufacturer. These keys are universal by manufacturer—i.e., all Taurus keys will actuate all Taurus locks.

Absent a holster, a case designed for handgun storage is mandatory to prevent inadvertent manipulation of the trigger. This can be kept in your drug locker or another lockable compartment. Store the handgun in a lockable pistol case; these can be found at many sporting goods stores. Lock the case with its integral lock or a padlock, with the key kept on the ignition ring. This is also a recommended safety measure for holstered handguns.7 If possible, secure the cased handgun in a locking cabinet, such as the one used for your medications.

After turning your patient over at the emergency department, have security take possession of the handgun, and get a receipt. Coordinate the hospital's firearm policy with your own, and make sure the patient is made aware of the disposition of their property.

Some patients may be reluctant to surrender their handguns. They may not want an untrained person touching their gun, or to risk its misplacement. EMS providers may also, for a variety of reasons, be barred from possessing handguns. In such cases, give custody of the gun to a relative who may legally possess it, leave it in the home or locked in the trunk of a car, or unload it prior to transport. If none of these solutions are acceptable to the patient, EMS may have to request an LEO.

EMS safety is paramount. If at any time a crew is not comfortable with an armed patient or a scene seems unsafe, withdraw and wait for an LEO. For more on handling armed patients who are violent toward EMS, see the sidebar Bad Intentions.

CONCLUSION
While armed patients may not be encountered frequently, their handguns require knowledge and training to be properly handled. Your first priority is to end your shift safely. No EMS agency wants its personnel to become victims of assault, or to be responsible for mishandling a weapon that hurts someone. Be aware of your surroundings, and know how to handle firearms safely.

Table 1: Handling Firearms Safely
Col. Jeff Cooper, one of the 20th century's foremost experts on small arms, developed four basic rules for the safe handling of guns:

#1 Always consider all guns to be loaded.
#2 Never point the muzzle at anything you aren't willing to destroy.
#3 Keep your finger and other objects off the trigger and out of the trigger guard at all times.
#4 Always be sure of your target.

For more, see www.thegunzone.com/therules.html.

References
1. www.largo.org/Lott.html.

2. www.azccw.com.

3. www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/convrates.htm.

4. Philip Van Cleave, president, Virginia Citizens Defense League.

5. www.handgunlaw.us.

6. www.unicam.state.ne.us/legal/SLIP_LB454.pdf.

7. www.midwayusa.com.
 
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Nice and reasonable for wide variety of EMS personal.

Much better then the "Caliber Press" crap I went to decade ago. They advised (IIRC) "If you see a NRA or other sticker/marker on car in driveway/on house do NOT enter on EMS call. Contact the Police and have then secure the residence BEFORE you enter to give aid to injured".....
I got up and asked if I understood them correctly??? Yep. I then informed them if I acted in that maner I would expect to have trouble when thier family didn't get timely aid. And I walked out. (not alone either)
 
Awesome. The largest problem is that our rules say that we should turn all firearms over to LEOs. Our sheriff is an anti, and once the pistol goes to the SO, you will never see it again. Ditto on the hospital. If the hospital sees a gun, off it goes to the SO, never to be seen again.
 
Excellent article! Thanks for posting it for us.

This
The largest problem is that our rules say that we should turn all firearms over to LEOs. Our sheriff is an anti, and once the pistol goes to the SO, you will never see it again. Ditto on the hospital. If the hospital sees a gun, off it goes to the SO, never to be seen again.
disturbs me greatly.

They did that with my gun, I'd damn straight see them charged with theft!:fire:
 
They did that with my gun, I'd damn straight see them charged with theft!

Problem is, that doesn't happen. There are pro-gun deputies that look the other way when possible, but you can't do that all the time.

The SO gets away with it, because they are testing it to see if it ballistically matches any crime guns. The testing just takes a long time. At least a year.

Friendly SO deputies have warned me that any gun they take in will likely not be seen again.
 
Excellent article; I'm delighted to see that this was published for EMS personnel. I like the tone of the article very much. It deserves wide distribution.

divemedic, whatever story they tell the public, those are no more or less than corrupt officials, stealing the possessions of patients who are in their care. Would they try this with patients' jewelry? No, I didn't think so.
 
divemedic, whatever story they tell the public, those are no more or less than corrupt officials, stealing the possessions of patients who are in their care. Would they try this with patients' jewelry? No, I didn't think so.

True, but that doesn't mean that anyone will ever charge them with a crime. How many NOLA cops went to jail?
 
If I am on that bodyslab being shipped to the ER, and they find my gun.

I want it back please... when the hospital finishes with me.

With that in mind, there is a need for accoutability for legal carry guns to get them back to thier rightful owners. The medical billing will be a debt to pay and it will rub salt into the wound for insult to have to replace a gun gone missing.

I might as well refuse transport, declare myself DNR and tell the medics to back the *&%^ off.
 
If you are not a jerk about it, I may just find a way to help a patient. I have stuck my neck out before when a patient was cool about it. I removed the pistol from his holster, unloaded it, and placed it in his backpack. I forgot to tell the hospital that there was a gun in it, and put it in the room with the patient.

Had he started telling me how I was evil, or a thief, or anything else, I would have followed policy and turned it over to the cops. I am not risking my career for someone who is being a jerk.

BTW- you do not always have the legal ability to refuse care. The term for a refusal of care is "informed refusal." If, in the best clinical opinion of the paramedic, you are incapable of understanding the ramifications of refusing care, you can be transported against your will, either chemically or physically restrained. EMS is allowed to use reasonable force, and LEOs can assist them. I urge all gun owners to know what the local policies of EMS are in your area, especially in connection with weapons.
 
Hm. Well let's see.

How does one go about learning this sort of policy from local Fire and EMS diplomatically?
 
In 2004 my buddy Big Bill and I drove his pickup and car trailer from the west coast to the midwest to get an classic car. We're both CC licensed in our home state (WA), and we contacted the sheriff of our destination county, who basically said, "If you're bringing west coast money to spend here, and you keep your nose clean, none of my boys are gonna give you any trouble for carrying." So we each had a small revolver in a front pocket holster.

We're carrying a lot of money (for us, anyway) and staying in motels every night, and an empty car trailer with WA plates tells BG's that you're either on your way from or to a deal, either way you've got some money along.

So anyway, we get to Dakota, and the night before we meet the seller Billy starts feeling poorly after supper. By 9:00 PM he's in a lot of pain, by midnight he's half dead and I call an ambulance. He insists on getting dressed to meet them, and they load him up and take him to the next bigger town, maybe 25 miles away, where there's a 10-room hospital, and wheel him in the back door, and I follow them into the ER, where I'm not really supposed to be, but I'm trying to stay out of the way while they're working on him on the stretcher. The doctor says, "Well, might be gall bladder, appendix, or intestine, but you're gonna be here awhile," and tells the female nurse to get him undressed and gowned up.

Billy looks straight at me and taps his pocket, and I know what he's thinking, and my mind races while she's moving him around and feeling him over. I asked her, "I could take care of his clothes for you, if you have a bag or something to put them in," and she says, "That would help, I'll go get one." The very second she's out the door, he palms his gun in the holster and gives it to me, and when she comes back I don't look like I'm packing two guns. So we get him all stripped down and she gives him shots and stuff, and he doesn't leave until 4 days later, lighter by the weight of one gall bladder.

I don't know what she would have done if she found his gun. The midwest folks that I met there were pretty common-sense oriented, seemed to me. Heck, maybe she was the county pheasant-hunting queen for all I know. But it convinced me that a patient is much better off to have a trusted person there to help manage little things like that if possible. And I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

Loading and securing the car all by myself, now that was above and beyond the call, and I had to drive all the way back. But he bought me ribeyes for supper all the way back through WY, MT, and Idaho, so I got over it reasonably quickly.

Parker
 
I saw this on another forum two days ago and e-mailed him to congratulate him on a well written and emotion free article. It is a rarity these days and deserves to be commended. He wrote me back and seems very nice. It may have been a generated response but it did not seem that way.



Click the top link and at the bottom is this

Alan W. Rose is a paramedic with Medical Transport LLC, and works in Southampton County, VA's EMS system. Reach him at [email protected].
 
Sticky this please.

Im thinking maybe to print that out and show it to the local EMS and Fire house to see what they think of it.
 
Sticky this.

This is a good example of what an article in a professional journal should be: factual, straightforward and unbiased. Too bad today's "news" organizations can't do the same.
 
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