evan price
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I go to XYZville Rec Center quite often. Today they had an event for the kids, crafts exhibit type thing, and the kids started swim class. It's always busy there so I wound up changing in the mens locker room while the kids were with Mom in the family changing room.
I was dressing while a couple older guys were at the lockers across from me talking. They were obviously friends. Another guy was beside them, not with them.
One of the old guys says "Did you see they put a gun sign on the door?"
The other old guys say, "Yeah, that's because a lot of concealed and carriers can't read." and they both sort of snickered.
The younger guy (not with the old guys) says, "You can't carry a gun in here, right?"
The one old guy says, "That's right. But concealed carry people like to carry anyway, so they have to put up signs."
The young guy says, "Oh...I've been thinking aobut applying for a permit."
The other old guy says, "Why bother? You can't carry anywhere with it anyway, who needs to carry a gun today, except people who watch too many movies. There's no need to carry a gun today, and pretty soon they'll make it so you can't carry anywhere but your house. You already can't carry at post offices, banks, schools, malls, anywhere else. Save your money, it's not worth it, and you'll just get arrested if you try."
My ears are kind of burning right now since I had of course left my CCW piece locked in the glovebox (it's a government building, and I noticed they recently posted anyway).
The young guy says, "I thought you only couldn't carry in schools and stuff? The other places, too?"
The one old guy says, "Yeah, it's a federal law. You can't carry in your car, you can't carry in banks, post offices, BMV, credit unions, anywhere they have money."
The young guy says, "Oh.. I didn't know that. Maybe it's not worth getting one."
At this point I really could not hold my tongue any more.
"That's wrong," I said. "It's legal to carry in a bank or a store, as long as they don't post a sign. Car carry is legal, they even fixed the plain-sight requirement last year."
The old guys look at me like, how dare you contradict me. "Buddy, it's a federal law to carry in a bank."
I said, "No, you are wrong. I know Huntington allows CCW. I have a CCW and I always carry in Huntington, as a matter of fact, their director of corporate security even TOLD me it was ok."
The first old guy turns and squares off with me (Which, since we were both nearly naked is kind of an uncomfortable situation... shades of a gladiator movie, eh?) "I am a retired deputy sheriff from XXX county, I was a leo for 32 years, don't try to tell me the law."
I was getting frustrated so I said to the younger guy, "Check the AG's pamphlet, I have a copy in my car I can give you. ORC 2923.126, check it all out. It's on the web site. You are only forbidden to carry in places specifically listed in the law, and anyplace that posts a sign."
The ex-leo tells the guy, "You listen to him, you go to jail. It's a felony."
"No," I said. "If you go into a place that is specifically listed, which is government buildings, schools, places with D alcohol permit, that is a felony. If they have a sign it's a 4th degree misdemeanor. If they are not posted and not on the list of excluded places, it's perfectly legal- like I said, I keep a copy of the AG's booklet in my car in case I get a cop who doesn't know the new laws. I'll give it to you."
The ex leo's buddy is grinning and obviously amused.
The ex-leo says, "You concealed and carry ***holes think it's the g-d old west or something. Nobody needs to carry guns nowadays, I never had to shoot anybody in 32 years of law enforcement, I got people I locked up just coming out on parole and they were tough MFers and I don't carry a gun today. Have you ever once in your life had to draw your pistol?"
"Yes," I said. "A guy tried to attack me with a hammer about 18 months ago in Columbus."
"Well, I guess you are some kinda tough dude then." he said sarcastically.
"If I saw you on the street I would have you in cuffs. You don't need a gun. Only cops need guns. We run into all the bad people in society, we take the risks, we carry a gun for a reason. You concealed and carry people just like to think you are all bad*sses and sh*t. They never should have passed that G-D law and as long as more and more people keep doing s*t like shooting up malls and schools and sh*t they are going to take them all away eventually, you watch. Then where is your cute little concealed and carry going to get you?"
Then he stops. "Are you carrying a gun right now?" he asks, in a very authoritative tone of voice.
"No, are you?" I said back, getting hot. I was putting on my shoes by now.
"You know what? I can. That's where you concealed and carry people are wrong. I can carry a gun whenever I want. Go to the academy, get a badge, if you want to carry a gun. Do something for the people instead of just yourself.
"And you-" he points at the other guy. "Don't worry about carrying a gun, you'll never need it, and do you really want that on your conscience if you do?"
"Do you want it on your conscience if something happens and you weren't carrying a gun to protect your family?" I retorted, stuffing my stuff in my gym bag.
"Tell that to his family when some cop shoots his ***!" the ex-leo says, grabbing his stuff and leaving with his buddy.
I looked at the other guy and shrugged. "If you're leaving I'll get you that booklet," I offered.
"No thanks," the guy said. "Don't worry about it."
I let it lie and left.
This was three hours ago and I am still mad. This kind of eleteist bull really ticks me off. It's bad enough being an anti. But to put forward totally incorrect info for the express purpose of scaring somebody into NOT getting a CCW?
Why do *I* always run into these types?
I did my best not to get mad, because I am sure the fella would have welcomed me losing my temper, an illustration I am sure to show he was right. I had to bite my tongue several times not to tell this old fella off.
Just had to share it, to get it off my chest. Really, I am still mad. 3 hours later.
I was dressing while a couple older guys were at the lockers across from me talking. They were obviously friends. Another guy was beside them, not with them.
One of the old guys says "Did you see they put a gun sign on the door?"
The other old guys say, "Yeah, that's because a lot of concealed and carriers can't read." and they both sort of snickered.
The younger guy (not with the old guys) says, "You can't carry a gun in here, right?"
The one old guy says, "That's right. But concealed carry people like to carry anyway, so they have to put up signs."
The young guy says, "Oh...I've been thinking aobut applying for a permit."
The other old guy says, "Why bother? You can't carry anywhere with it anyway, who needs to carry a gun today, except people who watch too many movies. There's no need to carry a gun today, and pretty soon they'll make it so you can't carry anywhere but your house. You already can't carry at post offices, banks, schools, malls, anywhere else. Save your money, it's not worth it, and you'll just get arrested if you try."
My ears are kind of burning right now since I had of course left my CCW piece locked in the glovebox (it's a government building, and I noticed they recently posted anyway).
The young guy says, "I thought you only couldn't carry in schools and stuff? The other places, too?"
The one old guy says, "Yeah, it's a federal law. You can't carry in your car, you can't carry in banks, post offices, BMV, credit unions, anywhere they have money."
The young guy says, "Oh.. I didn't know that. Maybe it's not worth getting one."
At this point I really could not hold my tongue any more.
"That's wrong," I said. "It's legal to carry in a bank or a store, as long as they don't post a sign. Car carry is legal, they even fixed the plain-sight requirement last year."
The old guys look at me like, how dare you contradict me. "Buddy, it's a federal law to carry in a bank."
I said, "No, you are wrong. I know Huntington allows CCW. I have a CCW and I always carry in Huntington, as a matter of fact, their director of corporate security even TOLD me it was ok."
The first old guy turns and squares off with me (Which, since we were both nearly naked is kind of an uncomfortable situation... shades of a gladiator movie, eh?) "I am a retired deputy sheriff from XXX county, I was a leo for 32 years, don't try to tell me the law."
I was getting frustrated so I said to the younger guy, "Check the AG's pamphlet, I have a copy in my car I can give you. ORC 2923.126, check it all out. It's on the web site. You are only forbidden to carry in places specifically listed in the law, and anyplace that posts a sign."
The ex-leo tells the guy, "You listen to him, you go to jail. It's a felony."
"No," I said. "If you go into a place that is specifically listed, which is government buildings, schools, places with D alcohol permit, that is a felony. If they have a sign it's a 4th degree misdemeanor. If they are not posted and not on the list of excluded places, it's perfectly legal- like I said, I keep a copy of the AG's booklet in my car in case I get a cop who doesn't know the new laws. I'll give it to you."
The ex leo's buddy is grinning and obviously amused.
The ex-leo says, "You concealed and carry ***holes think it's the g-d old west or something. Nobody needs to carry guns nowadays, I never had to shoot anybody in 32 years of law enforcement, I got people I locked up just coming out on parole and they were tough MFers and I don't carry a gun today. Have you ever once in your life had to draw your pistol?"
"Yes," I said. "A guy tried to attack me with a hammer about 18 months ago in Columbus."
"Well, I guess you are some kinda tough dude then." he said sarcastically.
"If I saw you on the street I would have you in cuffs. You don't need a gun. Only cops need guns. We run into all the bad people in society, we take the risks, we carry a gun for a reason. You concealed and carry people just like to think you are all bad*sses and sh*t. They never should have passed that G-D law and as long as more and more people keep doing s*t like shooting up malls and schools and sh*t they are going to take them all away eventually, you watch. Then where is your cute little concealed and carry going to get you?"
Then he stops. "Are you carrying a gun right now?" he asks, in a very authoritative tone of voice.
"No, are you?" I said back, getting hot. I was putting on my shoes by now.
"You know what? I can. That's where you concealed and carry people are wrong. I can carry a gun whenever I want. Go to the academy, get a badge, if you want to carry a gun. Do something for the people instead of just yourself.
"And you-" he points at the other guy. "Don't worry about carrying a gun, you'll never need it, and do you really want that on your conscience if you do?"
"Do you want it on your conscience if something happens and you weren't carrying a gun to protect your family?" I retorted, stuffing my stuff in my gym bag.
"Tell that to his family when some cop shoots his ***!" the ex-leo says, grabbing his stuff and leaving with his buddy.
I looked at the other guy and shrugged. "If you're leaving I'll get you that booklet," I offered.
"No thanks," the guy said. "Don't worry about it."
I let it lie and left.
This was three hours ago and I am still mad. This kind of eleteist bull really ticks me off. It's bad enough being an anti. But to put forward totally incorrect info for the express purpose of scaring somebody into NOT getting a CCW?
Why do *I* always run into these types?
I did my best not to get mad, because I am sure the fella would have welcomed me losing my temper, an illustration I am sure to show he was right. I had to bite my tongue several times not to tell this old fella off.
Just had to share it, to get it off my chest. Really, I am still mad. 3 hours later.
