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Local indoor shooting range does not allow concealed carry

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Sir Aardvark, Apr 24, 2005.

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  1. Sir Aardvark

    Sir Aardvark Member

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    I just found out that the indoor shooting range that I frequent does not allow CCW holders to carry concealed while inside the facility.

    I asked the guy behind the counter (not the owner) about the policy, and he said "Only law enforcement can carry in here, and every other person in here is a cop anyway.....so it's pretty safe."

    I realize that business owners can make any rules they please, within certain limitations, but to be in the gun business, and promote the gun business, and to even have classes that teach CCW and gun safety stuff, and then say that you can't legally carry concealed on their premises is a bit hypocritical, I think.

    I know that their main concern is for the safety of their patrons, but the bad guys who they're worried about aren't going to follow the rules anyways, leaving me, the rule-follower, at a disadvantage.

    I think that their safety rules are a bit askew - what do you think?.
     
  2. lycanthrope

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    Our local gun store is fine with CCW on premises, but on the range everyone has to obey "cold range" rules. Since some of us are shooting from concealment anyhow, CCW holders must abide by the rules as well to insure the utmost in safety.
     
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    I don't have a problem with them not allowing you to draw and fire from concealment, but not letting CCW holders carry on premises does look a little hypocritical to me.

    Then again, concealed means concealed. Just don't shoot the piece you're carrying and they'll probably never know (depends on what the laws are in your state regarding businesses putting up "no CCW" type signs).
     
  4. hoji

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    The major traveling gun show in Texas{wont name them but if you say Texas backward.....} has the 30.06 penal code warning that CHL holders are subject to being charged with criminal trespass if they carry to their gun show.
    I called the operators of this show and was told that the rule was in place because they were concerned about "SHOOTING RAMPAGES" :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

    I tried to explain that the law abiding atendees of the show were the only people who would adhere to this but got nowhere.
    Seems odd that a show where you can buy {please forgive the terminology}An "assault rifle at one table,a 100 round drum magazine at the next table,and a case of ammo at the table across the aisle, that the operators are worried about CHL holders going on a shooting rampage.
     
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    Tom's Discount Gun and Indoor Range has this sign posted.
     

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    I've seen the signs at gun stores and gun shows. It is because of their fear of ADs. As it is their property, it's their rules. Either comply or take your business elsewhere. On the other hand, if it is concealed, how will they know you are violating their rule?
     
  7. Standing Wolf

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    No, it's not. Their main concern is control. I'd shoot elsewhere, and let those nitwits know why: if you don't respect my civil rights, you don't get my dollars.
     
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    Fortunately for us Coloradans, we've got lots of open federal land to shoot on.
     
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    I don't necesarily agree with it, but I can understand one side of the argument. Have you ever seen a few guys talking guns and one idiot draws his loaded CCW to show off it's sights, finish, barrel length, whatever? This guy will likely think the four rules of gun safety don't apply to him either.
     
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    And being a LEO somehow makes him safer? I could somewhat see the logic in not allowing any CCW at a cold range, but these guys are saying LEO's are ok but nobody else. If safety is truly their concern how about banning LEO's from carrying but letting everybody else.
     
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    As far as I know and have seen, every gun shop, range, and gun show around here has signs saying you must unload before coming in. People say that they would not give these places their business and go elsewhere, but in my area, there is nowhere that doesn't have these policies. I agree it is hypocritical though, but I have to shop and shoot somewhere.
     
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    My guess is it's got something to do with thier insurance. You carry on thier premises and something goes wrong...

    LEO's would be covered by thier own dept.
     
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    In Minnesota, I've been to Koscielski's, Bill's, Burnsville, Frontiersman, Outdoorsman and Gun Stop, not to mention Gander Mountain, and not one has such a sign.
     
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    Sounds like something those Brady individuals would say.
     
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    I have never understood why it seems so many gun owners are not more bothered by this. To me what could send a worse message to the anti-gun crowd than shops that sell guns, provide training for CCW and then don't allow CCW in their own store. Same with gun clubs.

    Their was a large shop and indoor range in SE Michigan that used to have a very similar sign. Finally they have changed their ways and taken down the sign that said they only acknowledge CCW for LEO. I have actually been back now that the sign is down.
     
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    Ah, one of those things I love about Washington (state). One of the original "shall issue" states, and I've never seen a ridiculous sign like that here. Although, come to think of it, one indoor range I frequent does have a sign that says if you're bringing a gun in, it must be cased or holstered. That's about it, up here in this most reasonable state.

    I did once see however, in an eastside gun store, a gentleman pull out his concealed handgun (a Colt Det. Special) to show it off to the guy behind the counter, and covered about four of us customers and the clerk with the muzzle in the process ... so I sorta understand a nervous gunshop owner ...
     
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    Ringer, you talking about Target Sports on Woodward? I think that changed when the new owner took over. I was glad to see it down, too.
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    No arms a range.

    They would not get my money. I agree w/ the guy who said the issue is not safety but control.
    They that love liberty more than life will die only once. They that fear death more than oppression die every time they close their eyes. Me.
     
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    Not too odd when you consider that some dork in Austin, possibly a LEO, blasted another guys leg when he drew his CHL gun and attempted to place it in a new holster he was looking at. And that was only several weeks ago.

    If CHL holders left their guns concealed, things would be much better but too many of them have to yank them out for stupid reasons. Just remember, having a CHL doesn't make you smart.
     
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    CCW laws usually dont apply to LEO's.
     
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    Hot Shots indoor range in Marietta has a "no loaded weapon allowed inside" policy, also.

    A gun shop thinks CCWs are dangerous/irresponsible/unsafe/unacceptable/whatever.

    What a wonderful endorsement.
     
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    Actually it was Double Action on Dequindre. Not far from Target. Never saw a sign at Target mabye you are confusing the two, lets hope :)
     
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    Any gun store/range that bars lawfully carrying people from thier premesis will NEVER get any of my money-they are NO better than any other place of business that does the same, and in my opinion, considerably worse for doing so. Business owners can say it's safe all they want to (carrying themselves no doubt at the same time), but that isn't the point: thier hypocracy and wonderful example to everyone else who has to consider the same issue is.

    If that means I skip all those places and order online for all my needs, so be it, and I won't feel sorry in the least when they go out of business.

    (What they should do is have posted a list of do's and don'ts and acceptable actions/behaviors; barring thier own customers from lawfully carrying the products they sell to them isn't the answer. Tom's from the above attachment gets it, and that's a place that I'd go out of my way to spend my money at.)

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    I just had this discussion with the new owner of the indoor range where I shoot. The previous owner had it posted, and when I went there for the first time under the new ownership the signs were still up. So I asked.

    Gentlemen, it is NOT about "control." It is about being able to have insurance. The guy used to just have a gun shop, and he got his insurance through the NRA. He told me the looooooooong, sad story of the incedible run-around he got from the NRA when he went to renew his policy and add a range to it.

    The bottom line is, he is no longer getting insurance through the NRA, he is paying a small fortune for the insurance he could get, and the insurance company wants signs. Ergo -- the signs stay.

    Stand on principle all you want, but it ain't his fault. It's not like you can pick up the phone and ask Geico for a quote to insure your indoor shooting range. It's a sellers' market, not a buyers' market, and that makes a huge difference.
     
  25. Sir Aardvark

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    Hawk-

    I phoned two other indoor ranges in the county I live in and posed the question "Can I carry concealed with a permit in your establishment?."

    The first one said "No problem, just tell us you're carrying and show us the permit and that way there will be no misunderstandings."

    The second one said "You're not really supposed to. We have it posted NO LOADED FIREARMS, but as long as you have a permit and keep it concealed, everybody here will be fine with it."

    Both places do not allow drawing from a holster, which I agree is too risky of a liability for them to assume, but they don't seem to mind having clientele who exercise their CCW privileges.
     
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