Entry level deer rifle/scope- suggestions?

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Sorry for the long history here, please bear with me...

I may have an opportunity to hunt white tail deer in Texas soon. It's been many years since I've hunted deer, as a teenager, and that was in Pennsylvania with Dad's circa 1955 Winchester 94. I'm seeking an entry level bolt action rifle and scope. I'm open to suggestions on caliber, quality, and price, new or pre-owned.

The history... Dad gave me a rifle 25 years ago that is a WW II Japanese army rifle that was given to him by my uncle who brought it back after serving in the USMC. He modified it into a deer rifle. It's an Arisaka 7.7. It has a Monte Carlo stock, front sight and peep sight, and a Weaver J 2.5 scope. Factory 30.06 bullets will chamber, but will not fit into the top load magazine. Bullets are about 1/16 inch too long to fit. He said that in the Fifties he had the barrel chromed to shoot the 30.06. (7.7 down to 7.62) The trigger was also modified. It's very smooth and breaks like a glass rod at the slightest touch. I keep it in my safe, and it looks like a brand new rifle/scope to this day.

He made good use of it back in those days, but think it would not be a good choice for me to use, given the limited scope power and inability to have a follow up shot, due to the magazine limitations.

Can I get a suggestion for an entry level deer rifle and scope at a combined cost of less than $650.00?

I've ruled out the Remington 770 rifle/scope combo due to negative reviews, and I've read positive reviews on the Ruger American Rifle, so can anyone steer me to an American made bolt action sporting rifle? I'm leaning towards .270 but open to suggestion on caliber as well.

Sorry for the long post, but I thought the story might be interesting.

BTW, I'll never sell Dad's old deer rifle.
 
I agree with the other recommendations - a new, modern package (I have Marlin XS-7, .308 Win) is cheap, way good enough deer inside 200 yds and the competitive technology keep-up factor means it'll be pretty slick (compared to a WWII Japanese rifle, anyway).

But I can't help thinking, can't a gunsmith figure out a way to open up that stock or floorplate 1/16" and somehow lengthen the magazine 1/16" or something and get that Arisaka 7.7 to feed .30-06 "bullets" from the magazine? (the word is "cartridges") Man, that sounds like a fun project, to me! Maybe a little trip to a machine shop, if it's a drop box sheet metal magazine, to mod the magazine. (I don't know - what style magazine is it? internal?) Got photos?
 
Buds is having a sale on Savages until Sunday. Look at this link, you can get an above entry-level rifle with scope and the accutrigger. Of course you can get an Axis and it is a good entry level rifle, but for $100-150 more you can get a great rifle with scope and features and still be under your budget by $100 or so. Here is the link for the .270 Savages.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/36_62_974/sort/4a/page/5
 
The Savage 111 Trophy Rifle with Scope package is work a look, IMO. It is available with a Nikon Pro Staff scope and has the Savage AccuTrigger which is a very nice trigger setup.

As far as caliber selection goes .270 is a fine choice for any game you are likely to hunt in the Lower 48.
 
$650 will usually score a nice used hunting rifle that is a notch or two above what can be considered entry level.
 
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...roducts_id/78127/Savage+11+TH+XP+260REM+NIKON
This would be my personal choice, but it is available in a number of cartridges in both short and long actions. My local gun shop has had these in stock with the Nikon 3-9x BDC scope mounted and bore sighted for under $500. Excellent buy, and the .260 Remington would be my choice, but then I handload, so ammo availability is not an issue. One of them in .308 Win, or .270 Win would be a very practical, economical option.
 
I have a .308 Savage Axis XP (it was the edge before they changed the name). I was debating between .270 and .308 but chose the latter due to less expensive, more widely available, and a wider range of bullet possibilities. The Axis XP comes with a 3-9x40 Bushnell scope and I picked mine up on sale at cabelas for $329. I have heard many good things about the Ruger American but have yet to hold or fire one myself. I'm sure you will do great with either the Ruger Amer. or any savage entry or not. Thought I would encourage you to consider the .308 over the .270.

Best of luck.
 
Walmart was carrying the Savage 110 with a scope for under $400. I bought the gun, ditched the scope and put on a Leupold I picked up on sale for $200. I have used this rifle exclusively for deer and have been very pleased.
 
Savage Edge/Axis in .270 shoots right at an inch for me at 100 yards. I've been using it for three deer seasons now and has worked perfectly. I've dropped it out of the stand, in a creek, scratched it up crawling through briars, and it is no worse for the wear - and for $300, you don't cry when it gets a little "use".
 
Go used. Here's my reasoning:

1. it's a hunting rifle you want and therefore you stand a good chance of finding one that someone took very good care of. I've found that used hunting rifles are generally well taken care of when compared to a used carbine or pistol.
2. If it's for hunting, a few minor blemishes shouldn't matter too much.
3. You can get a lot more gun for the same price.
4. You may even find one with a good scope on it and maybe even very close to zeroed which will save you time and money.
 
I'd compile a short list of rifles that meet your criteria and keep an eye open for a deal on a used combo. There are so many bolt guns out there with decent scopes that have virtually zero mileage on them that can be had for a steep discount as they've already been driven off the lot (and might have the odd ding.) People's opinions on rifles are about as subjective as they come. So...

Make your list and...

Check out your local shops, don't be afraid to haggle on used guns there, follow the advice above and check out Buds used long guns as they go quick, and have a look at Gun Broker regularly. You will find a nice deal in no time.
 
I have to add a +1 to the Savage Trophy Hunter Package. I had the opportunity to help a co-worker sight in his new set-up in .270 win(I think it had a Burris 3-9) After 8 clicks to zero, the rifle shot sub moa all morning. I shot 3 approx .75"-1" groups back to back right after he did using nothing more than the 130gr Winchester Power Points he purchased at the big box store on the way out of town. Personally, I dont care for the aesthetics of the Savage, but those targets speak for themselves. Plus, the accutrigger has got to be one of the best triggers available on an entry level rifle I have yet shot.
Just my 2 cents
 
go to the gun show and buy a used bolt gun that looks like new on the outside-chances are it will look like new inside too. Bring a light and check out he bore to be sure. You will easily find a scoped mid tier rifle for much less than entry level retail new. Houston area has a show almost every week and 40% of the guns in there are used bolt guns. Any major brand- Ruger, Winchester, Browning, Remington, Savage.

.243, .308, 30-06 .270 have the most ammo available.

Go in there and put your hands on 50 different rifles, even if you dont buy one there it is the easiest way to test handle the most guns and decide what you want
 
By the way, since you'll be hunting deer in Texas, you won't need a gigantic magnum caliber for the rifle. I've had excellent results using a Savage 110L .30-06 with Remington's Managed Recoil ammunition.

Easy to shoot, works great, can use stouter ammunition for bigger game.
 
and the Arisaka 7.7 ?

40,

Good plan! Take the advice and see what's out there.

And what about the full Arisaka 7.7 conversion to .30-06? (By the way, I was NOT suggesting to do this, then use that as your deer rifle.)

An additional thought occurred to me, that maybe the bolt does not draw back far enough to feed a .30-06 cartridge from the mag :scrutiny:, even if the mag would hold a stack of .30-06 rounds? That's also a solvable problem. But now we're getting OT for the Rifle Country forum and more into the Gunsmithing and/or Firearms Research forums. Why don't you post the issue over there, even if you don't have the time, money or interest to do the conversion right now? You may later. I bet a box of ammo that someody on THR has done this conversion before or knows all about it.
 
Mr. Rights, Thanks for your feedback, I appreciate it. I'll have a look at the other forums as well. The bolt does draw back far enough, it's the box that's too short for the cartridges (thanks for correcting me) to fit inside. Actually, if it were more practical, I wouldn't hesitate to hunt with Dad's old rifle, if only for sentimental reasons. I'll take it to the range, at any rate.

What he said when he gave it to me was to find someone who handloads ammo and have them make me a box of 30.06 and have them seat the bullet into the case to the correct length I need. I recently learned a friend of mine has a reloading press & dies, so I may have a conversation with him....
 
I almost pulled the trigger on a Ruger American. But searching the pawn shop I found a used Savage 11 XP in 243 for $269 OTD. Excellent condition. Has a Bushnell scope. Zeroed it today. I was going to put a Nikon Buckmaster scope I have on it but can't tell any difference in the two scopes, so left the Bushnell on it.

Seek the pawn shops, grasshopper....;)

It shoots minute of deer.:)
 
Get a used 270 or 30-06 rifle. Remington 700 or Savage.
Be prepare to buy a new scope for it...

As for the 7.7 Rifle, get it to a "good" gunsmith!! Have the chamber cast and the bore measured. Once you know what you have then a plan can be put together to repair the rifle.
If the chamber, headspace and bore are correct for a 30/06 then have the smith modify the receiver so that it feeds correctly. Many 7.7 were sportizered to 30/06 this should not be a major problem.

If the barrel does not check out it could easily rebarreled to a 308 class cartridge. 243, 260 remington, 7-08, 308, 338 federal, 358 Win,

The scope can be up graded and new mounts installed.

The rifle has family provenance that no other rifle will have. Making it safe and functional does not decrease its value.
 
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