Ever shot a "range" round or "smished" round.

Status
Not open for further replies.
I will admit to being cheap enough to take them home on occasion and pull the bullet for the brass if it's a caliber I can use, but usually I just throw them in the oil bucket at the range.

Not a chance I would shoot one.
 
I've got a few 'found' rounds that will be pulled and the primed brass and bullet will be reused. I'll use the powder as 'plant food'.
 
I have fired A few range pick ups. they were found the day after the police used the range. They are not very careful about picking up droped rounds that cost them nothing.
The ammo was picked up mid range. Only the police are allowed to shoot from that area. I was confident it was factory loads. I found 10 or 12 rounds.
 
I pick up all the dropsies, squibs, setbacks, split cases, bent 22s, whatever I can find. If it looks factory virgin it gets put in the range bag. If it needs repaired due to a setback or damage it gets broken down. The 22s get washed and rinsed and then sorted. Any damaged ones or gritty ones get pulled apart, the rest get shot.

If it is obviously a virgin factory round with setback, I've fixed them. I've also taken cases bent in a jam and used a duplicate case from inventory and reloaded the primer, powder and bullet into them.

I've got hundreds of 223s in stock that I've never had to buy. Most get shucked out of an AR type rifle during clearing excercises by the sheriff's department, but there's a lot of them on the club range too.

I've been seeing a lot of Tula steel-cased stuff of all calibers with dented primers that never went off. Those get broken down. I've got a quart jar full of steel cased stuff to break down this winter.

Call me crazy but I still have one eye and most of my limbs and organs intact and the feeling's bound to come back to my hands someday.

Can you believe people throw away perfectly good earplugs? Washing them in a bleach solution and drying in a centrifuge at 650 degrees F for thirty minutes gets me perfectly usable earplugs and I save almost twelve cents every shooting trip!

Don't even get me started about the rich folks who only use one side of their toilet paper.
 
What the heck is a round loaded with C4 going to do ? Nothing !

You sure enough of that to give it a try?

It's true. C4 needs an electric charge to be set off. Not going to happen with a primer!

No. Plastique is detonated by a small blasting cap, which is set off by an electric pulse. A primer...topped with a grain or two of Bullseye and packed tight with C4 will wreck your day.
 
I keep 5 gallon buckets full of ammo I picked up at the range - do not shoot it but figure some day if bored or house bound I might pull some down for the bullets
 
There's the thing. If a few of the radical antis will slip live ammunition into guns in shops and on vendors' tables at gun shows...what's to stop them from salting a range with rounds loaded with a compressed charge of Bullseye or even C4?
Whoa. Does this actually happen? Are there documented incidences of this? I'm not doubting you, I have just never heard of it. :eek:
 
If I was wandering the ruins after the end of the world AND I only had one bullet in my revolver AND I needed at least two bullets to kill both me and my son to save us from a horrible fate at the hands of savage cannibals, then I might consider picking up the stray round of ammo. Otherwise, no.
 
Whoa. Does this actually happen? Are there documented incidences of this?

Of which one?

At one time, there was a radical anti-gun group that advocated doing a number of things to force their agenda, including browsing gun shows and slipping live ammo into display guns while the vendor's attention was diverted. Don't know if it ever happened, but I'd say that the chances are that it did. We hear about gun show discharges, and I often wonder if at least some of them are the result of espionage. If they're willing to do something like that...

On the C4...

During the Vietnam era, there were reports of Navy Seals booby trapping AKs with C4 packed ammunition, and a warning was issued that any found AK not be fired with the ammunition that was in it.

At any rate...C4 and its ugly sister Semtex are set off by heat and shock...not electricity. So, even if it hasn't been done, it's still a possibility and not worth the risk for a few pennies worth of free ammo.
 
Sorry evan price (Post #33) about the loss of the eye, but in these tough economic times, we must cut cost corners any which way we can.

Can you believe people throw away perfectly good earplugs? Washing them in a bleach solution and drying in a centrifuge at 650 degrees F for thirty minutes gets me perfectly usable earplugs and I save almost twelve cents every shooting trip!

Does that twelve cents count the cost of cleaning found earplugs, or is that 12 cents just the cost of new earplugs? If you are not including the cost of clearing, the savings is not twelve cents. Personally I'll use very hot water and dishwashing liquid to clean some of my own earplugs, rinse, lay them to dry on the window sill, and keep them in a ziplock bag seperate from the new plugs for guests or family in the range bag. I buy the foam earplugs (fit my ear canals) and they tend to melt before Fahrenheit 650 (hmm, that would make a catchy book title).

I have been known to take found earplugs, paint them with desert sand camo spray paint, dot them with a laundry marker to look like peanuts, and leave them for squirrels I don't like.
 
It's true. C4 needs an electric charge to be set off. Not going to happen with a primer!

No if it is experiencing pressure it will go off while being ignited.
For example a small piece of C4 can be lit on fire and will burn hot but not explode. However if you smashed it with a rock while it was on fire you would likely cause it to explode.

During the Vietnam era, there were reports of Navy Seals booby trapping AKs with C4 packed ammunition, and a warning was issued that any found AK not be fired with the ammunition that was in it.

It was more than a rumor, there was a formal program called first called 'Project Eldest Son' designed to cause the enemy to mistrust his ammo made in China.
Part of the intent of the project was to have the enemy fear their factory made ammo, so the program was intended to remain a secret otherwise the enemy would fear ammo US personal may have been able to sabotage, but not factory ammo.

So the remaining ammo could not be inspected and the true reason figured out they typically only sabotaged/replaced one round per magazine or one mortar in their box.
However they still went through the trouble of making the powder inside the sabotaged rounds look as close to the normal smokeless used as possible.
The sabotaged mortar rounds were certainly the most devastating, easily killing or maiming those all around the sabotaged round when it went off.
The limit in Vietnam was carrying such sabotaged mortars around was heavy, limiting how many they could place far behind enemy lines.
I have seen video of enemy mortar rounds simply detonating in the Iraq war that caused me to consider a more recent similar program a possibility as well.
I could see something like that being used against the insurgents in Afghanistan as well, make them mistrust their weapons and ammo, or have opinions like thinking 'khyber pass copies" were so inferior they were unsafe to use. Likewise the insurgents that infiltrate the ranks of the Afghan forces could do much the same thing.

I recall the story of one of the victims of a sabotaged rifle round in Vietnam. The high explosive caused the bolt of the rifle to be shot back through receiver and the skull of the shooter aiming the shouldered weapon.
Such sabotage of rounds is certainly an effective strategy to reduce morale and cause distrust of ammo, discomfort shooting weapons, and could certainly be used to kill or injure firearm users if someone so inclined managed to get such a round into a gun owner's ammo supply.
Eventually the enemy learned of the project, and it became less effective, the enemy realized the factory ammo was trustworthy, and it was simply ammo that could have come into contact with any Americans or their allies that was not to be trusted.

I would expect similar such programs in many armed conflicts, especially rebellions and civil wars and other forms of unconventional warfare.
Anyone that cannot provide or insure their own ammo, powder, etc is of the intended strength would be an easy target. Unsafe ammo allowed onto the black market rebels were buying from for example to help them enter circulation.
Or apparent stockpiles of the military left exposed so they could intentionally be stolen by the enemy that thought they got lucky.
Likewise the military itself could have some of its own ammo sabotaged by insiders loyal to the insurgency. Artillery detonating in the tube, various rockets for launchers sabotaged, you could even have missiles exploding on the wings of aircraft when they attempted to launch them, etc
Ordinance exploding in the face of people that go to shoot it would be very bad for morale for either side in a conflict even if the total casualties were low.
 
Fooling squirrels with fake peanuts? You sick man. Now I have to try it!

Folks in my area take the squirrel war very seriously when the feel their precious pecan trees are being raided. If you see an old man in a ghillie suit at the base of a tree..no worries. It's just grandpa.

I imagine we would all have some hilarious stories of the battle against Mr Squirrel.
 
It was more than a rumor, there was a formal program called first called 'Project Eldest Son' designed to cause the enemy to mistrust his ammo made in China.

I'd heard of Eldest Son, but didn't realize that they were using powdered explosives. I only heard of the C4 prepped ammo, which may have been the earlier attempts. I also heard that the resulting explosion was...quite spectacular.

But...C4 is detonated by heat and a shock wave...not an electric pulse.
I guess we can blame Hollywood for that myth. Without the heat and shock, C4 is pretty stable stuff. Burns like sterno and makes the Ham'n'Limas a little more palatable...if that word can even apply to beans and (Expletive deleted for Art's grammaw)
 
Is it possible for me to drop a hammer on a modern round, experience a delay (as if the round were a dud), and then have it go off after a few moments? Out of fear, I always assumed it's possible, but to be totally honest, I have no idea. Never had it happen, that's for sure.
 
Yes. That's commonly called a "Hangfire" and although it's not common, it does happen. The delay typically varies from a fraction of a second to half a minute. Most of them are in the former category. Some aren't.

If you experience what seems to be a misfire, keep the gun pointed downrange and wait for about 30 seconds before opening the breech. If it's a hangfire, you could be in for a singularly nasty surprise.

In 50 years of shooting, I've experienced just two hangfires. One was with a .58 Caliber Zouave replica, and the other with a handloaded round in a lot that I'd forgotten about that was 25 years old...and both fired within a half-second.
 
C4 has to have a small explosion to make aBigger Explosion other wise it just burns like Sterno, & it won`t go boom if you hit it with a rock when it on fire.......
 
There's the thing. If a few of the radical antis will slip live ammunition into guns in shops and on vendors' tables at gun shows...what's to stop them from salting a range with rounds loaded with a compressed charge of Bullseye or even C4?

Pick'em up and toss'em in the can.

You wearing your tin foil hat while you type again? LOL :)

I agree with you that I would not shoot a round I found on the ground at the range do to its unknown qualities but to suggest that anits are going to this extent only make the gun community look paranoid and foolish.
 
C4 needs compression to detonate, the force of the primer plus other powder would be enough.
 
Nope rella. I don't belong to the tinfoil brigade. If you'll go back and think about what I said...to wit: "If they'll sneak live ammo into a vendor's display guns, what would stop'em from taking it to the next step and booby-trapping some freebie ammo on an outdoor range?"

It doesn't take C4. A compressed charge of Bullseye and a 250-grain jacketed bullet in a .44 Magnum case would do the trick in spectacular fashion...even in a Redhawk.

Arguments for not using found ammo are sound, the same as arguments for not using anyone else's reloads. I mean, there are people who lace Tylenol with arsenic. Is it really such a stretch to believe that those same types may decide to expand their horizons?

But...do carry on. Hear?
 
If one of my semi-autos misfeeds a .22, I'll save it and shoot it from my Single Six. Otherwise, I don't shoot found range ammo.

On the subject of adulterated AK ammo, when I was a boy paratrooper, Higher Higher put it out like this:

Some GI's would pick up and use AK's, thinking they were superior to M-16's (let's not start THAT one now). Their only source of ammo being the enemy, after a firefight, they would pick up any AK mags and loose ammo they could find. The enemy being clever, would take a round, pull the bullet and dump the powder, then stuff it full of C-4 and reseat the bullet. This round was then loaded into a magazine in the second or third position. While the enemy was dragging off the bodies, they would drop a few of these mags here and there. When the unsuspecting GI recovered the mags, then tried to fire the AK, a shot or two then BOOM.

Since my service ended up being in Central America at the time, I have no actual, first-hand knowledge of this, simply anecdotal tales of the Vietnam Vets I served with. The fact that the distinctive sound of an AK tends to draw friendly fire in a firefight may have led Higher Higher to fabricate this tale. It certainly wouldn't be the first...

Moral of the story: if you don't know the source, leave it alone (unless, of course, you're harvesting components).

ed
 
When I got my first gun, a .22LR rifle from my stepdad, I also came across some old ammo he had. I had not known him to own any handguns, but there was a box of .357 Magnum stuff. The box was labeled "Federal", and I assume the ammunition was original, but I didn't know much back then. Two years later, I acquired my first handgun, a Taurus M66 in that caliber. I dug out that box (there were about 35 rounds left in it.) and fired away. I have never fired a Magnum round since that was nearly as hot as those were. The fireball at the muzzle, visible even in the middle of the July afternoon, was the size of a beach ball. For all I know, they may have been someone's reloads, or they just aren't making them like that anymore. My stepdad had by then died, so I had not asked him about them.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top