Every liberal on my college campus seems to be pro-gun.

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One of my fraternity brothers in college was a total hippie, tree-hugging, lefty liberal and was very pro-gun. I took him shooting a few times. We just didn't discuss non-gun politics.

Liberals, like conservatives, aren't usually single-issue voters.
 
Many on the far left have come nearly full circle and have strong libertarian leanings. The political spectrum is not a straight left/right line as many people think.
 
I'm a liberal Democrat. By that I mean I have a core belief that people are obliged to help each other out a little. And I feel the wealthy should have to pay a somewhat higher percentage of their income in taxes than poorer people; not as much as they have to pay in the U.K., but somewhat more. And I believe the government is the only entity capable of solving problems like the 46 million without health coverage. I think that's a national disgrace.

I also feel that big businesses should be subject to some oversight. Otherwise, the big fish eat the little fish everytime. Just look at what's happened to the economy in the last few months. Some Bozos gambled with our money, thanks to our beloved "free market," and now we have to bail them out with our money. We're in big trouble my friends.

Now, surprise surprise, I believe people should have the right to defend themselves with firearms, including ones carried on their person. I always have. And my Democrat-friends, who enjoy shooting with me, feel the same.

Now you may ask, why do I vote for anti-gun politicians? Because their are so many other issues more important to me. Because I know that the great majority of us will die from health problems, not violent attacks. So forgive me if I'm more concerned with health coverage than guns. Some of us seem to think our guns will protect us from all harm, will let us live forever. Anyhow, as others have mentioned above, many of us liberals are rethinking the gun issue.
 
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The myth that liberal minded equals anti-gun is simply not true. I went to a liberal college there was a huge population of gun enthusiasts. Although I think the line between liberal and libertarian is often confused.

Just keep in mind that there can be liberals who like guns just like there can be conservatives who don't. Being Democrat does not mean anti-gun and being republican does not mean pro-gun.
 
I have the same experience, In almost all of my classes there are a lot of more liberal people and almost all of them either own guns or think there really cool. Its great, now if I could only carry on campus......
 
My position is explained in my sig below.

In a nut shell - there are equally important liberties that some social conservatives would seriously limit. That's why I cannot just support such a candidate based only on the RKBA.

But the 2nd is the 1st freedom and protects the others?

The logical conclusion would be that if we elected such a person because of their gun positions, then we would have to immediately launch an armed rebellion against that person. Doesn't make sense.

Then there are all the other serious faults in foreign policy, economic policy, health, etc.

If the RKBA supporter base wants to define itself as the domain of social conservative Christians and not see the broader spectrum of Americans and not try to expand out of this little niche - it is a losing proposition over time. Just becomes a group of ranters. Thinly disguised racist appeals to 'real Americans' isn't going to help this cause with so many folks not being in that 'group'.
 
I think the lesson here is, don't alienate pro-RKBA Dems and indies by bashing/stereotyping them/us, or by saying we don't truly belong in the RKBA tent unless we also embrace social conservatism. The same goes for other groups that don't fit in the media's tidy little stereotype of what a "gun owner" looks like. Pro-gun feminists, Muslims, GLBT's, vegetarians, whatever. Gun ownership and support for the RKBA crosses all those lines, and if you tie the RKBA to social conservatism, you split off potentially half the pro-RKBA population. We can agree to disagree on the other stuff and still stand together our civil liberties.
 
Now let's see what the polls have to say about this issue.

Democrats
68 % of Democrats feel gun laws should be more strict
30% feel they should be less strict or left unchanged.

Independants.
54% of independants feel gun laws should be less strict or not change.
43% of independants feel gun laws should be more strict,

Republicans
57 % feel they should be left the same or made less strict.
42% of republicans feel gun laws should be more strict,

Clearly, we need to work on all groups, but I think there are a couple of false claims here.

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Very good points... I will be the first to admit, this has opened my eyes up to a new perspective on the issue.

The Pro-Gun "WE" should be all Americans. There are too many other issues to worry about that this should not be the dividing issue because it is unequivocal in its very nature.
 
Why would believing in government wealth redistribution and control of business make you a dirty commie?
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Thats called socialism and when one thinks of socialism we think of The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics or communism. A failed nation
 
Liberals can claim to be pro-gun all they want but as long as they are voting Democrat, which most of them do, they are not really pro-gun. You can't be both Democrat and pro-gun because the Democratic platform is anti-gun. So to say that you are both pro-gun and Democrat is saying that you are pro-gun and anti-gun. It doesn't add up. It's the same thing as saying that you're a pro-choice Catholic.
 
Dwight 45 said:

So forgive me if I'm more concerned with health coverage than guns. Some of us seem to think our guns will protect us from all harm, will let us live forever.
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The very reason that we get to live long lives and die the indignant death of soiling ourselves on a hospital bed instead of at the end of a gun barrel is because of the guns in civilian hands that provide the blanket of security which prevents bands of thugs from imposing lawlessness and anarchy.

Look at other places where people don't get to defend themselves and are subject to the whims of their government or bands of bandits. I doubt health care is too high on their worries because they are more likely to die of violence.

Then again... for them, disease also runs rampant but not on the same daily in your face level as guns wielded by bandits.
 
It's so good that Dem voters or independents who are more Dem leaning can often be very pro RKBA. I seriously hope they will not be alienated by others who share this most logical and reasonable understanding of human liberty because of other issues. That being said, lots of different political stances tie in together in the fundamental philosophies behind them. For example, if you believe the guy who makes more money than you should exponentially have a bigger share of what he worked for doled out to people who don't 'feel like' working, then it stands to reason you put the state on a pedestal with the mindset that they are more 'fair' and can be bestowed the power to honestly 'share' with everyone equally. It just seems intuitive to me that if you're for redistributionism, then why not bestow on the state complete faith in our well being in every aspect, including protecting us from a goblin at night preemptively, since they are nothing but fair and wise? Also, I'll never forget that disarming the people was at the top in the communist manifesto, probably because they knew to really be able to make the 'equality' work, they really would have to do some painful things and couldn't tolerate any thought of resistance.
 
Well, saying pro-environment, pro-peace hippies and such are anti-gun is overly broad, but they do tend to go hand in hand because of a major common bond: both types of people are seriously out of touch with reality and how the world and human nature really work. That is at the core of liberalism: a detachment from reality.
 
just think we should be helping each other out a little, you know, like Jesus said we should.
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Yes, we should. We shouldn't be going to socialism. (You know, stealing)

For the record, the redistribution of wealth is not an idea new to us. We already practice it. It's called a multi-tier tax system. It was McCain who tried to sell it as a new and evil idea.
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I'm not against wealthier people paying higher taxes than poorer people, I'm against it on principle when it is done to "redistribute the wealth". (A.K.A. "from every man according to his talents, to me according to what I think I deserve.")

B.T.W., the last 20 year economic boom was triggered by tax cuts.

Well, saying pro-environment, pro-peace hippies
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I'm pro-environment, and pro-peace, those are both good things. However, I believe they have to be balanced with other things. (National security, gas prices.)
 
The term "liberal" can be used to mean either the politicians or the people that vote for them. When someone says "liberals are anti-gun", they aren't talking about the voters, they are talking about the <.....> politicians.

Republican politicians, historically, do not try to ban guns. Liberal politicians, historically, DO try to ban guns.
 
they aren't talking about the voters,
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Now of course the liberals here are going to be pro-gun, it's a gun forum.

But in general:

Democrats
68 % of Democrats feel gun laws should be more strict
30% feel they should be less strict or left unchanged.

Independants.
54% of independants feel gun laws should be less strict or not change.
43% of independants feel gun laws should be more strict,

Republicans
57 % feel they should be left the same or made less strict.
42% of republicans feel gun laws should be more strict,

As said before, some work needs to be done. If the liberal politician's constituents say "we want gun rights", they might stop trying to take them away.

Or maybe not.
 
one of the things i've noticed in my 54 years is a lot of the educated,afluent, wealthy people seem to believe they have more of a right to do what they want and the laws that apply to the unwashed poor folks like myself just don't apply to them... (note OJ SIMPSON).... so owning guns seems to be ok for them but not for me.... i could be wrong but i'm still going to not trust such folks....................
 
I'm not wealthy or afluent, but the wealthiest peson I know is also the most pro-gun I know, and the most educated people I know own guns. (but don't really think about the issue too much. :( )
 
That is at the core of liberalism: a detachment from reality.
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Funny, I would say the same about the current type of conservatism we see in this country...
 
Funny, I would say the same about the current type of conservatism we see in this country...
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Please tell me that you are not talking about the current administration, because they are about as left of center as it gets and not conservative by a long shot.
 
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