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Gtscotty said:
NFA stuff isn't for everybody, but if you did dive in, there's so many deals on cans now compared to years past that it wouldn't be very cost effective to build your own .22 F1.
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Anyone can buy gun stuff. Honestly I enjoy building things, all kind of things, but especially gun related things. That is the reason I would build and not buy a can.
 
Low end scope (I have one) high end rifle. Killer deal. My neighbor has a 308 Tikka just like that. I think he said he paid about seven fiddy for it new.

I've toyed around with the idea of buying a 308 and been saving range brass. That would have certainly pushed me over the ledge.:uhoh:

Need any brass?
 
Congrats & nice score on a purdy' rifle :) . I found myself in the same boat yesterday when I scored a pristine 1981' Mini 14. As it's been one of my all time Grail guns that I've always wanted I found myself wondering if it should be for my birthday or for Christmas since they're both coming up :) ...
 
CoalTrain49 said:
Low end scope (I have one) high end rifle. Killer deal. My neighbor has a 308 Tikka just like that. I think he said he paid about seven fiddy for it new.

I've toyed around with the idea of buying a 308 and been saving range brass. That would have certainly pushed me over the ledge.:uhoh:

Need any brass?
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Honestly, I consider that a mid-range scope. For $179 new, it competes pretty well. Redfield Revolutions are head and shoulders above Bushnell Banners or anything cheaper than those. The "low end" IMO starts and Bushnell Banners and goes down.

Having said that, I own two $25 Simmons 4x32's that have done nothing but give me great service on a youth .243 and my RWS .22 air rifle.

I'm a binocular junkie and appreciate great optics as much as any human being. However, I'm not looking for edge-to-edge clarity in a riflescope since I never aim at an animal with the edge of the scope. So long as they are bright and clear enough in the center, I can get the job done without spending $300+
 
Newtosavage said:
Honestly, I consider that a mid-range scope. For $179 new, it competes pretty well. Redfield Revolutions are head and shoulders above Bushnell Banners or anything cheaper than those. The "low end" IMO starts and Bushnell Banners and goes down.

Having said that, I own two $25 Simmons 4x32's that have done nothing but give me great service on a youth .243 and my RWS .22 air rifle.

I'm a binocular junkie and appreciate great optics as much as any human being. However, I'm not looking for edge-to-edge clarity in a riflescope since I never aim at an animal with the edge of the scope. So long as they are bright and clear enough in the center, I can get the job done without spending $300+
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It all depends on what one is used to using. Revolution is a good scope built in the Leupold factory with the same warranty. I used to work as a surveyor so I got spoiled. A 20K surveying instrument was common and they had the best glass money could buy. In the 70's and 80's it was all German or Swiss. I can pick up different scopes and see the difference pretty fast. Eventually the Japanese figured out how to build good glass but the best is still German. I'm partial to Leupold scopes and don't mind paying a little extra. American made and good quality. All of my binoculars are Steiner. I bought my first set in 1970 in Europe. Pretty cheap housing but the glass was excellent.

I'm not getting rid of my Redfield though. It works pretty well.
 
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CoalTrain49 said:
It all depends on what one is used to using. Revolution is a good scope built in the Leupold factory with the same warranty. I used to work as a surveyor so I got spoiled. A 20K surveying instrument was common and they had the best glass money could buy. In the 70's and 80's it was all German or Swiss. I can pick up different scopes and see the difference pretty fast. Eventually the Japanese figured out how to build good glass but the best is still German. I'm partial to Leupold scopes and don't mind paying a little extra. American made and good quality. All of my binoculars are Steiner. I bought my first set in 1970 in Europe. Pretty cheap housing but the glass was excellent.

I'm not getting rid of my Redfield though. It works pretty well.
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Funny, I've done a little surveying (the old way) myself.

Sure, there is great glass out there. And it's easy to see the difference once you've seen "the best." My question is, do you "need" it to make a 300, 400 or even 500 yard shot? The law of diminishing returns kicks in at some point, and anything above that becomes a luxury item.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the Steiner though. I am a bit of a binocular junkie and I don't even give them a look anymore. Been riding on their reputation for 20+ years IMO.
 
Newtosavage said:
Funny, I've done a little surveying (the old way) myself.

Sure, there is great glass out there. And it's easy to see the difference once you've seen "the best." My question is, do you "need" it to make a 300, 400 or even 500 yard shot? The law of diminishing returns kicks in at some point, and anything above that becomes a luxury item.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the Steiner though. I am a bit of a binocular junkie and I don't even give them a look anymore. Been riding on their reputation for 20+ years IMO.
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I've done more than a little. I started surveying in 73, retired in 2013, all of it in the field and all of it the western states. Licensed in WA.

That's beside the point. You buy the best gear you can afford. If that's a Savage and a Redfield than that will have to do. We all work within our financial limits. I don't even "need" a scope. I shot my first deer with irons. I'm still good out to 200 with irons. Most deer are killed within 200 yards. Not a huge fan of LRP hunting.:)
 
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I sometimes use my old surveying transit for a spotting scope! It is great glass, just a narrow field of view. I also have done some surveying in western wa and on the Olympic peninsula. I go back and forth on scopes, I love GOOD irons, but i have a hard time finding decent scopes unless I lay down some cash. Just recently when equipping my new tikka I went leupold and I love it. Nikon has been my go to affordable scopes otherwise. Great conversation here guys, keep it up!
 
Chains and transits were all we had in 73. Nobody had a EDM. I can't remember exactly when we started transitioning to EDM's, probably sometime around 1980. Even then we were still using chains for a lot of stuff. A guy can get really spoiled using expensive 28X surveying glass like what you would find in a T1A Theodolite.

I have to say I know more about good glass than I do good rifles but like anything else, you get what you pay for usually. I find Leupold to strike a good balance between cost and quality and it's an American company.
 
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Agreed on the Leupys. Took me far too long to figure out that being cheap was actually costing me money. If I had one piece of advice for younger shooters, it would be to buy whatever Leupold scope you can afford, as soon as you can, and skip the really cheap stuff.
 
adcoch1 said:
Pretty quick as long as we aren't in a brushy clearcut! Actually i only did chains for a few boundary surveys while our total station was out for calibration, blew my bosses mind that I knew how and wanted to do it...
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Our surveying class in college was the last one before they moved to total stations - all pre-GPS of course. Within 3 years, my surveying knowledge was obsolete. LOL

I can still run a mean level loop however (lazers are SO NICE!), and just showed one of my millennial employees how to do this a few weeks ago. It was kinda humorous watching a Magna Cum Laude grad be so confused by such simple math. LOL
 
Newtosavage said:
Our surveying class in college was the last one before they moved to total stations - all pre-GPS of course. Within 3 years, my surveying knowledge was obsolete. LOL

I can still run a mean level loop however (lazers are SO NICE!), and just showed one of my millennial employees how to do this a few weeks ago. It was kinda humorous watching a Magna Cum Laude grad be so confused by such simple math. LOL
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If they think that math is tough see what they do when you give them a rag tape, a philly rod and a level to do some slope staking for road construction. I did the math with a pencil in the back of a fieldbook. I knew a few guys who could do it all in their head.:what:
 
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