Every rifle now a "weapons system"

[Warp]

"I don't think police departments are being "militarized" necessarily. Namely because PDs aren't getting weapons and gear that are actually military grade."

Having actual military arms vs being militarized are two different things. If they think they have combat weapons, dress in combat fatigues with bloused boots, wear military hair cuts, and refer to everyone as "civilians," how is that NOT militarization?

More to the point, too much weight is now on "Enforcement" and too little on "Protecting and Serving." Many good officers are out there. Too many are not.

And "weapons system" is as I mentioned earlier.

Define "militarized"

Define "actual military arms"

No point in having the discussion unless we are all on the same page.

 

[Ash]

Warp, you dress military like, act military like, that is militarized. Don't be obtuse.

A bunch of cops with M4geries in combat fatigues and bloused boots ready for combat. That is militarized.

And when officers changed to what we often see today, their role seems to have changed to a suppression role instead of one of protecting and caring for the public. Like I need a cop to shine his light in my face from his car while I am riding my mountain bike at night or other such things.

Again, I know of good officers. But I have seen many bad ones, too, and that is beyond the traffic breaking to get to Pizza Inn or flashing light because they don't feel like waiting like everyone else to parking in the fire lanes at stores for their shopping.

Even so, I'm sure they would really jones at the idea of getting their own weapons systems.

http://www.privacysos.org/node/865

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/24/how_the_feds_fueled_the_militarization_of_police/

http://reason.com/archives/2007/07/02/our-militarized-police-departm

http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/overkill-rise-paramilitary-police-raids-america

http://www.policeone.com/community-...-debate-over-police-militarization-continues/

 

[Warp]

Warp, you dress military like, act military like, that is militarized. Don't be obtuse.

In that case our citizenry is militarized.

A bunch of cops with M4geries in combat fatigues and bloused boots ready for combat. That is militarized.

Again, no different than our citizenry. (random joe schmoe private citizens)

And when officers changed to what we often see today, their role seems to have changed to a suppression role instead of one of protecting and caring for the public. Like I need a cop to shine his light in my face from his car while I am riding my mountain bike at night or other such things.

Militarized because an officer used a flashlight?

Again, I know of good officers. But I have seen many bad ones, too, and that is beyond the traffic breaking to get to Pizza Inn or flashing light because they don't feel like waiting like everyone else to parking in the fire lanes at stores for their shopping.

Bad apples as police officer is completely separate from "militarization". There always have and always will be bad apples in any group of people that large.







The fact is that unless a definition of the terms is established, there's not point in talking about whether or not this undefined and un-quantified term applies.

 

[meanmrmustard]

Warp, you dress military like, act military like, that is militarized. Don't be obtuse./[/url]

Number one, if said actions are not taking place within the employ of a military, it's not a militarized action. It's posing.

Number two, if I wear digital camouflage, wear close cropped hair, and address male gentlemen as sir, that doesn't mean I'm militarized, as I'm not active military. That means I like camo (I do), I hate long hair (really do) and I'm polite to my elders and/or those I'm not familiar with out of respect and politeness (I do).

I fail to see any of your points, or how they relate to the terminology with which we've been discussing.

It'll be Sno-cone day in Tartarus before I call any of my firearms a system.

 

[Art Eatman]

Hoo, boy! Way drifted off topic!