Every rifle now a "weapons system"

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Let's see, sidearm, holster, double mag holder, rail attached laser, yep I guess it's a weapon system. Ops, rifle forum, sorry.

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jim243 said:
Let's see, sidearm, holster, double mag holder, rail attached laser, yep I guess it's a weapon system. Ops, rifle forum, sorry.

Jim
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Bolt action rifle, walnut stock, rings, optic, sling, box of ammo...Weapon system!

Replace above weapon system with synthetic stock...Tactical Weapon System!

It reminds of getting "special fried rice" in a particular country. It took me a while to discover "special" fried rice just meant it had an egg in it. Couldn't they have just said fried rice with an egg? Personally, I don't think there is anything that special about an egg. But people still say special fried rice instead and they know what they mean. Go figure.
 
Personally, I don't think there is anything that special about an egg.
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Best thing I've read all day.

I think weapon system is a bit over used, but it does have its purpose. We didn't call stuff weapon systems in my military unit. Weapon system sounds like a Patriot missile battery or something big.
 
I would call the AR-15's a "platform." The lowers are *literally* a platform from which you can assemble a very wide array of firearms. If you say you like the AR platform, you are referring to the wide spectrum of options based on it. As opposed to saying you like the M-16A2, for example. You could like the A2 but not like a lot of the AR-15 options. So "platform" serves a purpose in distinguishing between the broad group and the specific types.

But it can go too far. Terms like "driving" your carbine irritate me, because they seem to be introduced just to sound cool. Like wearing shades when it isn't sunny.
 
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Best thing I've read all day.

I think weapon system is a bit over used, but it does have its purpose. We didn't call stuff weapon systems in my military unit. Weapon system sounds like a Patriot missile battery or something big.
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Hmm... Maybe TOW Missile System is the closest I can recall. But I'm no expert and my memory is not perfect. I just key in or certain jargon I find silly or humorous or both. I also had no idea what "sweeping" was until I figured out from forums they meant "flagging" as I knew it. I guess I am venting somewhat now that every gun magazine I flip through seems to be geared towards all things "tactical" (whatever that means) and I want more articles on old man rifles. I'll live though.
 
Calling a sporting rifle a weapon bothers me much more than tagging
a collection of plastic, aluminum and a bit of steel a "system."
 
Some old farts like myself have no problem with platforms and systems but I'm former military so I'd imagine it affects my conceptual thinking. I also believe some of it is about age and resistance to anything new. Look at the zombie thread!

I'm not above saying "send it" either. :evil:
 
A 'weapons system' is what the US Military purchases, when they buy new guns now.

Because the 'rifle' is actually just the part that goes bang and spits a bullet out when the trigger is pulled. So a package containing a rifle, an optic, multiple magazines, a night vision device and a suppressor would be purchased as a 'weapon system'.
 
Driftertank:
The only part (besides slings) that's been added to any of my guns is the aperture Tech Sight on my SKS.

Maybe the SKS is now a 'weapons system', but that would require a highly skilled operator...which I'm not:eek:.
 
Oh, you must be referring to folks like Larry Vickers (1st Special Forces Operational Detachment – Delta), Paul Howe (Delta), Ken Hackathorn (Special Forces Small Arms Instructor), and Clint Smith (just some guy, LOL). They talk about weapons platforms and systems quite frequently.
 
It is politically risky to apply any nomenclature that includes the word "weapon." We've been over and over this one, I know. But given the fact that the word conjures fear in many people who seek to use it against us, why give them the fuel?

Bottom line, I like calling things what they are: "Browning X-Bolt in .270" or "AR-15 in 5.56 NATO." I don't think we as the firearms community do ourselves any favors when we try to force firearms into categories that the antis can then easily cite when they try to have an entire category controlled. Why do that work for them?
 
I don't think we as the firearms community do ourselves any favors when we try to force firearms into categories that the antis can then easily cite when they try to have an entire category controlled.
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This is an excellent point. Have to control the language used.
 
I would consider myself a high level operator. I mainly utilize the mosin nagant weapon system. I can swiftly go from irons to my 3.5x optic system very quickly. I carry 10 stripper clips for my weapon system loaded with 5 rounds each carried in leather pouches on my side for making fast tactical reloads. I carry two chamber inserts for my weapon system and can quickly shoot a different caliber round for whatever dynamic environment change would call for such a diverse round. I also carry s tactical bayonet for my weapon system in case im in a dynamic environment that calls for utilizing my weapon system in a manner to tactically take another operator out silently from 39 ft away or closer. I carry my weapon system on a cloth sling tactically to prevent from being heard in a dynamic environment. I gotta go now and tactically clean my weapon system so it will be ready to be run by me, the real operator.
 
What this thread teaches us;

How many people here will never have a job in marketing.

If an analyst told me my product would have increased sales of 10% by adding the phrase, "PRECISION LONG RANGE WEAPON SYSTEM" - I would plaster that all over the box like it was going out of style.
 
Maybe I've been watching too much History and Discovery channel but I've noticed they really like to toss those buzz words in when talking about military rifles. I even see "weapons systems" mentioned in the gun rags. So if we want to systemize any weapon having a lot of interdependent components including the ammo and operator then I guess trebuchets and battering rams would qualify as well.
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There's a fair bit of psychology there. A general trend of society - try to sound like a scientist or academic on rather mundane topics in order to appear more knowledgeable. It stems from too many us trying to be like the pseudo-intellects we see on television.

Most common in that which is very common: sports commentators talking "scientifically" about football, or guys being hyper-technical about their guns. Supposed to make you seem intelligent, but most folks come off like Cliff Clavin, instead.
 
I think I prefer "encased lead projectile delivery system" anyway.
 
The entire labeling of a standard rifle with scope as a "weapon system" is so funny it draws my testicles up an inch. The term weapon system was originally used to integrate gun components with electronic guidence or firing mechanics. Now due to stupidity you've got guys wanting to call new fangled knives "weapon systems". The guy on Triggers uses the term for everything but a stick. And, don't give me some marketing garbage about using the term to better sell a product. I have more faith in the gun world and we are smarter than that level of trash marketing hype.
 
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