Evolving Maturity, or 'Why do you carry?'

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I carry for my family's and my protection. If I ever have to use deadly force for their or my protection I fully expect that instant to be the beginning of the most trying period of my life. There won't be anything glamorous, heroic, or inspirational about it.
 
About protecting strangers...

It has been touched on by the first couple of posts, but I feel the need to add a little emphasis. Before you try to aid the person whom you believe to be the victim of an attack, consider this:

You're in a shopping mall parking lot...

You see a man trying to pull the purse away from a woman who is screaming at the top of her lungs for him to "get the @%#& away!" The woman strikes the man, who produces a cannister of mace an sprays the woman.

Maybe at this point you think you have the situation figured out, but...

The part you didn't see is when the woman you thought was the victim pushed a pregnant woman to the ground and stole that purse. The guy you thought was a mugger was really just the victim's husband, or a good samaritan.

Food for thought.

Be very careful when getting involved in a situation you haven't personally witnessed from the very begining... and even then, announcing your presence, and that you've called the police can be more productive than resorting to violence.

Be cautious.




As for me, a firearm is a last resort... only used when walking away hasn't worked, and fighting isn't an option.
 
RKBABob, wouldn't you do what the cops do in such a scenario? If you're armed wouldn't you first order EVERYONE to stop whatever they're doing, and then give each a chance to explain their behavior?

Best regards, ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
 
Order [them] to stop . . . ?

RKBABob, wouldn't you do what the cops do in such a scenario? If you're armed wouldn't you first order EVERYONE to stop whatever they're doing, and then give each a chance to explain their behavior?
Y'know, citizen's arrest is a risky thing to get into.

You might get them to stop thumping one another and find yourself the new object of their "affections."

I'm not sure how I'd handle that -- case-by-case assessment and all -- but I might go so far as to say, "I'm calling the police, what should I tell them?"

That might get them to break it up, maybe not. That might get me attacked, or maybe not. In any case, my life is about to get more complicated.

Proceed with caution.
 
I carry because I realize the world is full of sociopathic morons who don't give a damn about my life or anybody else's, and I have a bad back so I can't carry a cop.
 
We should ignore the attack and retreat?

ArfinGreebly you seem surprised with my comment to order the paricipants to stop whatever altercation they've got going!

You mention making a statement that you're going to call the cops!!! And you honestly think THAT comment won't be met with a prompt NEGATIVE reacation, possible from BOTH attacker AND victim, ESPECIALLY if the victim is intoxicated or carrying an illegal substance or article?

The only safe way to avoid your own involvement when you witness an attack is to quickly leave the scene and report it to authorities. And thus you save your own hide at the expense of a POSSIBLY innocent victim.

I don't think I could do that in good conscience, especially when I'm carrying the possible salvation of another person from a beating or death. If the altercation ended in death or injury I would rather not carry the thought for the remainder of my life that I PROBABLY could have saved someone.

To each his own...

Best regards, ~ ~ ~ 45 Broomhandle
 
I carry simply for self defense. A gun is a useful tool if you need to defend yourself or others in a dire situation. The logic is clear enough to me.

As far as maturity goes, getting a permission slip from the state (the necessity of which irks me) has had no effect on my level of personal maturity. When I touch a gun for any reason whatsoever I am all business. It has always been this way with me, even when I was a young child.
 
If this is a repeat, apologies..... but it's on topic, and well done, in my opinion.

Why The Gun is Civilized
By Major L. Caudill USMC, Retired

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.
In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100 pound woman on equal footing with a 220 pound mugger, a 75 year old retiree on equal footing with a 19 year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a car load of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a (armed) mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed, either by choice or legislative fiat—it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV. There people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.
When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I’m looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation….. And that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin
“The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” Thomas Jefferson
 
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