Ex-cop sentenced to 102 years for staging raids

[10MMGary]

At least with a murderer you know where you stand, with a dirty cop not so much. The wingnut deserves what he got, and whats up with not taking the deal and turning rat on his brother? Like he he had any honor in the first place.

 

[brighamr]

As a civilian, any public officer who uses their authority and/or training to commit crimes, should be held to a higher bar.

Without my tax money paying for said officers training and experience, he probably wouldn't have 40 successful intrusions...

In this case, why pay more taxes to keep this dog alive 102 years? It just makes sense to end it now.

 

[coloradokevin]

Cops appear to be in the places in Ohio where I've lived.

Of course there are places where that's demonstrably NOT the case, Chicago and New Orleans being two of the most prominent examples. There was a Chicago cop recently arrested by the Niles, IL PD. He punched out a 62 year old man and a 50 year old woman, apparently for no discernible reason other than being drunk out of his mind. The interesting thing is that reports say that not only is this NOT his first run-in with the law, but not even the fifth or sixth. At a PREVIOUS disciplinary hearing HE stated that he was "bipolar" and an "alcoholic". Yet, he was allowed to wander the streets of Chicago (and apparently Niles) with a loaded firearm. When found by the Niles PD, he was passed out in some bushes, lying on top of his pistol.

The public clearly has a choice, police like they are where you are and in Rocky River, Ohio OR police like they are in Chicago and New Orleans.

Good point. Different places have quite a difference in the quality of the overall governmental experience.

New Orleans seems to often represent some of the worst cases of political/governmental corruption, and I recall seeing a video that I believe showed the Chicago cop assaulting the bar staff that you mentioned (honestly, I have no idea what happened to that officer? And I imagine a lot of Chicago officers cringe at the idea of someone being able to do that too).

I actually grew up not very far away from where you live now (North Olmsted). So, I do agree that policing is pretty well under control around there... as it is where I live in Colorado!

 

[Catherine]

If an ordinary citizen or a policeman or or a politician or fill in the blanks person does a dirty deed = crime... they should ALL get the same deal. A fair trial, a jury that has a clue, a verdict, a sentence to FIT the crime.

This man did some very bad things no matter if he used a gun, a knife, a hammer, a pitchfork... home invasions and anything that goes along with that type of CRIME is a horrible crime in my NOT so humble opinion. It makes NO difference to me if he used a GUN or ANY of the above objects or OTHER objects to do the dirty deed. Crime is crime - period!

I agree with the old fashioned southern gentleman on here... hang 'em high. I think that some of the old fashioned ways are better than the modern ways. NO offense.

It does NOT matter to me if he used a GUN or any other OBJECT as I stated... it is the fact that he did the dirty deed/crime and he should PAY for it whether he did it to ONE person or ONE THOUSAND people!

Another thing that really gets me is this... if I get killed by a killer with full intent of murdering me, the killer gets caught, put on trial, found guilty and sentenced... even if he or she admitted the crime... sometimes those KILLERS don't get put down like the dirty killer dogs that they are. DNA proof, admittance of guilt and/or found guilty with a TRIAL. Sometimes killers get out fairly fast too. Right out of those fancy jails with modern conveniences along with FREE FOOD and MEDICAL/DENTAL CARE! Ugh. Some of them live in better climate controlled places than you or I do!

If a policeman gets killed in the same way that you or I might get killed as I mentioned above and the KILLER is found guilty... that killer gets the DEATH penalty or maybe in some states LIFE IN PRISON.

So WHY would a killer of a policeman get more time as life in prison or the DEATH penalty when the killer of YOU, your loved one or ME only get so many years in jail and MAYBE life in prison and/or the death penalty? MY LIFE, YOUR LIFE, ANY OTHER LIFE including those peace officers is all WORTH the SAME.

ALL killers should get the same deal if they admit the crime, if the DNA proves it, if found guilty with a FAIR and HONEST TRIAL. Why are we paying to have killers alive like Manson and his ILK when they should be put down like the dirty dogs that they are? Yes, I know that his sentence was reversed somehow in CA by a judge for some reason. Someone once told me that it was because of some USA law at the time and when I asked that person on a board to please provide me with a LINK and proof of that law at the time... he never answered my question. A CA judge gave him life in prison instead of the death penalty because the sentence was REVERSED... NO clue why.

I did read that old paperback book...Helter Skelter by Vincent B.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helter_Skelter_(book)

http://books.google.com/books?id=vI...oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail

That book gave me the creeps for sure! I read it when it came out in paperback the first time many years ago.

HOME invasions and most of those crimes are just as bad to me in MY opinion as murder. Those victims that went through those horrible times no matter how long the criminals were there deserve more.

If more criminals that really did bad crimes were given super hard sentences NO matter what they used in the criminal act were treated like the scum that they were... maybe they would think about it if the hanging tree was used TODAY as it was used for stealing a horse! They have people in jail for using an illegal or LEGAL Rx drug who never hurt anyone but themselves or their family by being stupid in their choices and they have BAD/MEAN people out on the streets who keep on with their crime activities! They might get LIGHT sentences just like white collar criminals who barely get a SLAP on the hand while they steal pension money or you name it!

Most of that does NOT make sense at all, eh?

Catherine

 

[Deanimator]

New Orleans seems to often represent some of the worst cases of political/governmental corruption, and I recall seeing a video that I believe showed the Chicago cop assaulting the bar staff that you mentioned (honestly, I have no idea what happened to that officer? And I imagine a lot of Chicago officers cringe at the idea of someone being able to do that too).

When I said "recent", I meant RECENT. The incident to which I referred happened in the last week and a half or so. It's entirely DIFFERENT from the video of Officer Abbate kicking the barmaid in the face, and is if anything even WORSE. Callahan, who beat up the 62 year old man and 50 year old woman had an INCREDIBLY long history of misbehavior, including toward other cops. How was he still a cop? "Clout". SOMEBODY was protecting him, and not just once or twice. The incompetent former Superintendent, Cline, actually tried to fire him, but was overruled by the Police Board. I don't understand any of this (because it makes no sense), but I DO understand that the CPD is a perfect storm of corruption, incompetence, and a sense of entitlement.

Contrast this even with the Cleveland PD which moved quickly to fire a couple of cops (one of them reputed to move in White supremacist circles) who started a racially motivated bar fight.

The Cleveland PD is iffy in some ways, but I don't really fear that I'll be robbed, beaten or murdered by one of its officers. Call me naive, but I don't think it's THAT hard to just have a police department which doesn't commit unprovoked violent crimes against the public at large. Clearly Chicago doesn't agree.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

So were the judge, jury, and prosecutor "cop bashing"?

No. There's a big difference between a cop who was convicted of serious offenses in a court of law and THR posters whining about how all cops are scumbags because they were asked to hand over their handgun while getting a ticket once. I'm sorry you don't see that.

 

[MiddleAgedKen]

Small world (Deanimator and coloradokevin). We moved to Fairview Park almost five years ago, and my experiences with the FPPD so far have been positive:

• They seem to like the job
• They seem to like the town
• They seem to like dealing with people
• They're professional

My data set is limited, but I think it probably goes to good hiring practices, good training, good morale, and the fact that Fairview is a fairly sleepy place.

To return to the original point of the thread, though: the convict's actions point up the problem with no-knock raids, and may well make the problems even worse. Wrong address is bad enough, but robbery under color of authority makes resistance even more likely.

 

[romma]

All I know is I wouldn't want him or anyone else terrorizing myself or my family in the middle of the night.

Not knowing if he and his buddies are going to kill you when they are done robbing you.

 

[ilbob]

My data set is limited, but I think it probably goes to good hiring practices, good training, good morale, and the fact that Fairview is a fairly sleepy place.

It may also have to do with the fear of the local politicians that they will be tarred and feathered if they don't keep the local LEOs under control. After all, one of a politicians most important duties is to ensure government does not intrude on the lives of citizens any more than is absolutely necessary.

 

[ilbob]

Hey Geronimo for what its worth,I was a Leo and I never got any great deal on a gun,and in Mass. we have no death penalty for anything.Also,A&B on a cop in Mass. is a misdemeanor usually costing the perp a whopping $50 bucks.

How is A&B on a cop any worse than A&B on a plumber? Especially since many of the A&B on a cop charges are pretty dubious.

 

[Sans Authoritas]

I think embedding a claw hammer in someone's head, or kicking someone's skull in with a work boot should be a mandatory 5 year sentence, but brutally shooting him with a firearm? Well, that is a savage, heinous crime. That's a 20 year sentence, there. Let's punish the type and use of a tool, not the criminal. Good plan.

-Sans Authoritas

 

[bruss01]

"It's not a reasonable sentence," he said.

Punishment too harsh?
Ferguson's attorney, Philip Deitch, said it was unfair and violated the Eighth Amendment's prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment.

"He's going to be 147-years-old when he gets out," Deitch said. "He's probably not going to see his children again."

Not going to see his children again? Sounds like the kids are better off not seeing this bad influence. This guy doesn't deserve the comfort of seeing his kids if he is guilty as charged.

Oh, and he didn't mind violating other's constitutional rights, but now he's worried about protecting his own? Sorry Charlie, you made your bed, now lie in it.

 

[Deanimator]

Small world (Deanimator and coloradokevin). We moved to Fairview Park almost five years ago, and my experiences with the FPPD so far have been positive:
They seem to like the job
They seem to like the town
They seem to like dealing with people
They're professional

I've lived in Berea, Fremont and Rocky River since I moved here from Apartheid Chicago in '86. The WORST experience with any of their police departments has been "no problems". The worst experience I've had with ANY law enforcement agency in Ohio was with the Cleveland Metroparks Police. They didn't rob, beat or murder anyone. They just wouldn't do their job, failing to respond to MULTIPLE calls of a woman screaming in the park in Berea. And THAT incident allowed the Berea PD to shine, since a friend and I called the Berea PD thinking it was THEIR jurisdiction. Berea just kept calling it in to the Metroparks Police who did nothing. We finally drove to the Berea police station to find out what the problem was, where they explained what was happening. THEN two Berea cops coming off shift VOLUNTEERED to walk the area with us to make sure nobody was in trouble.

Here in Rocky River, I once called to report a guy trying to "social engineer" his way into the building by ringing all of the doorbells. They didn't show up until after he'd left, but they came relatively quickly, MUCH more quickly than the Chicago PD would have, and when they showed up, they didn't rob or beat anyone, or even use any racial slurs.

Despite what Chicago cops will tell you, police CAN not only do their jobs while obeying the law, they can do them in a reasonable and even occasionally pleasant way. This happens when high standards are set and ENFORCED.

 

[Deanimator]

Not going to see his children again? Sounds like the kids are better off not seeing this bad influence. This guy doesn't deserve the comfort of seeing his kids if he is guilty as charged.

Oh, and he didn't mind violating other's constitutional rights, but now he's worried about protecting his own? Sorry Charlie, you made your bed, now lie in it.

Have you noticed how many violent criminals are whiny crybabies? The Chicago cop who recently beat up a 62 year old man and a 50 year old woman for no reason is now crying about how he was mistreated by the Niles PD when they arrested him, after finding him lying on top of his pistol, passed out dead drunk in some bushes.

 

[Old Dog]

I think embedding a claw hammer in someone's head, or kicking someone's skull in with a work boot should be a mandatory 5 year sentence, but brutally shooting him with a firearm? Well, that is a savage, heinous crime. That's a 20 year sentence, there. Let's punish the type and use of a tool, not the criminal. Good plan.

Well, once again I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with Sans Authoritias.

Unfortunately, I believe quite a few posters in this thread have missed the point, focusing on the fact that a LEO committed the crimes, not the basis for stringent sentencing.

Too many are too quick to cry "thin blue line" if one actually posts comments that could be construed as sympathetic in any way shape or form to any cop gone bad.

Fact is, use of "firearms enhancements" in sentencing can be a total sham. Saw someone picked up in a meth lab bust get another ten years because of a couple old hunting rifles (think one of 'em was either an antique or blackpowder) hanging on the wall in the house ...

Some who's carrying a handgun, even if not used, while committing a crime deserves more time than someone who threatens his victims with a machete?

And for gosh sakes, isn't anyone else tired of the fact that in any "bad LEO" thread, the same folks bring up every case involving the Chicago PD? LAPD officer commits heinous armed robberies, we have to hear yet again how a Chicago cop physically assaulted a woman. Yes, I think we're all agree now (lo, these past several years) that there are systemic problems within certain law enforcement agencies. I think this should be automatically stipulated in any thread regarding law enforcement, so let's all just please move on and stick to the case at hand.

 

[CYANIDEGENOCIDE]

He got such a heavy sentence, not for his crimes, but because he was in posession of a firearm.

For the actual crimes he only got 20 years.

You guys are cheering on a life sentence that was handed out by an anti-gun culture.


negative MOM, we are cheering anti criminal culture. i really don't care if it was brought about by anti gun legislation, mandatory minimums for gun crimes are a great idea! whats the difference between that turd, and any member on this board? answer: people on this board don't break into someone's home! he is not being punished for having a gun, he is being punished for committing a crime while having a gun. the commiting of a crime is a huge qualifier and i am 100% in favor

 

[alsaqr]

The perp has one consolation: The feds will put him in a secure environment away from the general population. Too bad they couldn't put him in a dorm with Leroy and Bubba from the Outlaws motorcycle club.

 

[scurtis_34471]

Not bad, Scott, but I'd make a few changes to make things ideal:
Use a gun in a crime: shot by victim
Shoot a gun in a crime: shot by victim
Shoot someone in a crime: shot by victim

But for the unarmed victims, the law makes sense.

Keep in mind that Florida's 10-20-Life law does not exist in a vacuum. This is also a state where law presumes reasonable fear and protects you from both criminal and civil liability when someone forceably enters your home, vehicle or place of business. It is also a state with no duty to retreat, even in public. In other words, the law is squarely behind the decent people of the state.

 

[Noxx]

AFAIC, the guy should face a forty man firing squad of homeowners, and have his estate dissolved among his victims.

 

[pbearperry]

Wow 102 years is a mighty long time.I wonder if this thread will still be going when he gets out?

 

[ilbob]

Wow 120 years is a mighty long time.I wonder if this trhread will still be going when he gets out?

It will be locked as cop bashing well before then.

 

[Technosavant]

Keep in mind that Florida's 10-20-Life law does not exist in a vacuum. This is also a state where law presumes reasonable fear and protects you from both criminal and civil liability when someone forceably enters your home, vehicle or place of business. It is also a state with no duty to retreat, even in public. In other words, the law is squarely behind the decent people of the state.

Oh, yes. In fact, our Missouri "Castle Doctrine" law was partially modeled on FL's laws- we just couldn't get the politicians to stand behind the "anywhere you have a lawful right to be" language (got it for the home and vehicle though).

 

[armoredman]

The perp has one consolation: The feds will put him in a secure environment away from the general population. Too bad they couldn't put him in a dorm with Leroy and Bubba from the Outlaws motorcycle club.

Not always true, at least in my system. They go GP unless they ask for PC, then we put them through the whole PC packet. Until then, depending on crime, they are either GP or SO.
Guys, you want to help eliminate corruption, clean up your police force, encourage good behavior and positive policing? Go after the unions and governments in charge of them, and eliminate the incredible difficulty built into terminating an officer. Fire some for screwing up bad, before they screw up big, it improves the rest. Not only do you get rid of the bad apples before they become huge problems, the good ones won't quit in disgust.

 

[Cosmoline]

The lowest level of hell is reserved for those in authority who violate the public trust. Unfortunately the extra time in this case was apparently not for that violation. IMHO judges, cops and others who engage in such criminal activity should be killed. It's the absolute worst crime there is, bar none. Worse than mass terrorism, worse than rape, worse than murder.

 

[ilbob]

IMHO judges, cops and others who engage in such criminal activity should be killed. It's the absolute worst crime there is, bar none. Worse than mass terrorism, worse than rape, worse than murder.

Its no worse than a crime committed by anyone with nearly unchecked power. Like a teacher molesting one of her 3rd graders.