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Ex Navy SEAL wants your 'salt rifle banned

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by fnbrowning, Apr 24, 2009.

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  1. fnbrowning

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    Read this: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2009/04/24/20090424frilets241.html

    Gun owners should do a Zumbo on Crumbo.

    I'm not giving you his email address or phone number, but he's got an easy enough trail to track on Google. After all, he's agreed to published Internet interviews and he's on the Grand Canyon Wildlands Council.

    I'm going to write him some succinct and non-confrontational emails with pertant info. . .
    I would love it if some Hide members would crank up their Google-Fu and write or call this person.
     
  2. cane

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    Has anyone verified that he was in fact a S.E.A.L. or maybe a "poser"?
     
  3. fnbrowning

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    cane;

    Someone posted this on another site:
    >>"Well according to US DOD public records Kim H. Crumbo was an E-4 with an NEC 5326 Combatant Swimmer (SEAL)"<<

    I guess this implies that it's relatively easy to look up service records? I've never tried.
     
  4. fnbrowning

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    Has anyone written the AZ Republic or Crumbo yet???
     
  5. ilbob

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    vets are entitled to be wrong about guns just as much as anyone else.
     
  6. Eagles6

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    "This is a Glock 40. I am the only one professional in this room to..BANG!"
     
  7. Leanwolf

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    There are lots and lots of military veterans, active and retired -- and cops, active and retired -- who know nothing about firearms, other than those with which they train and carry.

    There are lots and lots of military veterans -- and cops -- who know nothing about our Constitution, even though they swore to uphold and protect it. Sounds as if that guy, Navy SEAL or not, is in that group.

    L.W.
     
  8. gyp_c2

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    hmm...

    ...interesting take on the 2nd...Not
     
  9. Eric F

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    the fact that you were a seal does not automaticaly make you a gun lover. My uncle was a seal they probably knew each other, but my uncle had no real love for them when he came home from vietnam. Infact I never knew him to touch a gun other than during work. He did help drive deer and rabbits. Military folks are like any one else either they like them or they dont or they are inbetween one way or another.
     
  10. Old Fuff

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    I have to wonder if this guy knows the difference between full and semi-automatic firearms. If so he doesn't make any distinction between them.

    I also notice that he lives up north by Grand Canyon, not down on the U.S. Mexican border. If he did he might soon have a different opinion.

    Must be that he hasn't heard of Heller either... :banghead:
     
  11. ants

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    Seems to be confused on many legal points.

    His experience is interesting, but he doesn't seem to be any kind of expert on anything related to the 2nd Amendment.

    He claims to have served two combat tours, and must be congratulated for his service. After he worked for a Grand Canyon rafting company, Crumbo got a job with the National Park Service in 1979 supervising commercial river rafters, then transferred to the resource detail performing trail maintenance, erosion control, and beach/campsite stabilization. He certainly did good work. Now that he is retired, he writes opinions to various newspapers establishing his credibility as a former Seal, former wilderness and land planning professional (?), former commercial guide, and former ‘river ranger’.

    None of this makes him a recognized expert in Constitutional law. He is allowed his own opinion, but his experience doesn’t make him a public expert.
     
  12. hso

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    No.

    Mr. Crumbo is speaking as a private citizen. Mr. Zumbo was a well known media personality making a living off of the gun community. Mr. Zumbo betrayed the trust we had placed in him. Mr. Crumbo has don't nothing more that speak stupidly as a private citizen.

    That doesn't mean we shouldn't point out the lies in what he wrote.
     
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    Ignorance obviously doesn't discriminate.
     
  14. Hank Hunter

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    I'd say that he has earned his right to have his own opinion.
     
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    Again with the Brady talking point of confusing machine guns with semi auto rifles that happen to look like machine guns.
     
  16. SHusky57

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    I wonder if by assault weapon he means any firearm that is magazine fed, or if he means a fully-auto M4 carbine with a silencer?

    Often, when people think assault weapons are legal they think you can buy an M60 at a gunshop.... while you can with the Class 3 business, it's pretty tightly regulated. Most people don't even know about mandatory NICS checks.
     
  17. SpecialKalltheway

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    sadly people will blindly listen to us military folks when it comes to the evil guns because they assume we are all trained highly on them.

    when it comes to debating carrying on campus and people say "students should not have guns!" i tell them "I was in the U.S. Army for 3 years and now I am a student, you are saying I cannot be trusted with a handgun?" they usually say "well you could be, but no one else should have them though" then I reply "well thanks for trusting me with a handgun at school even though never in my 3 years did I fire one, I did touch one from time to time to help clean them, but had never ever fired a shot until after I got out of the Army." they are usually to stupefied to respond.

    as for this guy, I don't feel he has earned his "right to his opinion" opinions are like a-holes everyone's got them and you don't need a right to have one.

    I should write a letter and just have the entire first half be about all the credentials I have gotten over the years. People seem to like those for some reason, more than common sense that is.
     
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    +1 Speer.

    I don't think he knows what he is talking about!!!
     
  19. Mags

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    I am pretty sure you are not supposed to use your military position for a political agenda whether active or retired. I know we are briefed on the subject prior to the elections.
     
  20. parrothead2581

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    We should add "and yet, I still don't know the definition of "assault weapon".
     
  21. Deltaboy1984

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    The Salt water must have pickled his brain.
     
  22. Old Fuff

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    A review of his employment background doesn't seem to justify his claim to having been a "federal law-enforcement ranger," at least in the sense that most people would think. Since he seems to be stretching the truth a bit I wonder about what he might have really done in the Navy - SEALS not withstanding. :uhoh:
     
  23. feedthehogs

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    Never known a seal that promoted the fact that they were.
    Very private and tight lipped about their service.

    Could be that this gentleman had some bad experiences in Vietnam that have fried his brain on why men die in combat, freedom.

    Like one other, his service gives him the right to his opinion, right or wrong.

    I'd say with the way guns and ammo have been selling, no one's buying the guns are dangerous crap much anymore.

    A kind email reminding him of why men die in combat would be appropriate.
     
  24. JImbothefiveth

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    I don't think it would. I think it would be better to inform him that those actually are not machine guns, that machine guns have been illegal to manufacture for civilians since 1986.
     
  25. gripper

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    Former SEAL or not;he is a jerk off.
    And NO, the navy was not my branch;but also NO I would have no reservations about arguing the point with him.
    Chalk it up to the antis version of "the Token has Spoken";much like it always has been in the past.
     
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