Ex Navy SEAL wants your 'salt rifle banned

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  1. makarovnik

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    Sorry, no can do. Especially those living in Southern border states; there's no better time to own assault weapons than right now.

    I thought we agreed we weren't going to use that term anymore.
     
  2. wuchak

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    "afford no realistic additional protection for individuals"

    Yeah, that's why nobody in the police or military use them. What he fails to understand is in creating a police and military the people did not give up their right to have the same weapons. They merely decided it would be a good idea to have some people as full time soldiers and police so they voted to pay taxes to support these groups. These groups are the servants, the people are the masters. In what messed up world would people voluntarily arm their servants better than they arm themselves? If they do history shows it will only be a matter of time before the master servant roles are reversed.

    sI'll take the credential of Navy Seal as proof that a person is physically and mentally tough and they follow orders well and probably know 100 ways to kill me in under 2 seconds with a feather. It is not however any proof of knowledge of the law, Constitution, public policy, criminology, or history. The guy is spouting off on areas where he has not a single credential to do so and purposely misusing his ex military status to lend credibility to his uninformed opinion. Seems to me he is in direct violation of the Navy Core Values.

    Excerpt from http://ethics.navy.mil/corevaluescharter.asp

    “HONOR”

    I am accountable for my professional and personal behavior. I will be mindful of the privilege I have to serve my fellow Americans. I will:

    * Abide by an uncompromising code of integrity, taking full responsibility formy actions and keeping my word.

    * Conduct myself in the highest ethical manner in relationships with seniors, peers and subordinates.

    * Be honest and truthful in my dealings within and outside the Department ofthe Navy.
     
  3. Waibaddayu

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    He loses all credibility due to the fact that he is a "right wing extremist", according to DHS! In fact, he should be disarmed, not knowing when he'll "snap"! :what:
     
  4. MarkDido

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    Crumbo was a Navy SEAL over 30 years ago.

    John Murtha is an ex-marine.

    Doesn't make either of them right.
     
  5. divemedic

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    He claims to have been in Mike platoon for a tour, followed by Xray platoon for a tour in 1970-1971. Seal Teams listed here.

    I don't see his name anywhere on here.

    He also claims that

    How can you go through BUDS and not know what a SEAL platoon is?

    I think he is a fraud. He doesn't even mention his class number.
     
  6. Blakenzy

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    I think that Mr. SEAL here (no relation to the singer...I assume), has a bad case of holier than thou, "I-Am-THE-ONLY-ONE-PROFESSIONAL-ENOUGH.." syndrome. He deserves his fair share of hate mail, war hero or not.

    And by the way, you don't have to serve in the military to gain the right to express your opinion, as some suggest here; even so, if you take a position of "authority" and irresponsibly start spouting damaging nonsense you deserve to get the smackdown.
     
  7. MisterMike

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    That sort of response always surprises me, and it seems counterproductive to the ultimate goal of advancing Second Amendment rights.

    First, while it may not make a lot of difference, the guy's descriptions of his training and experience seem a little hinky. But, giving him the benefit of the doubt and taking his representations at face value, so what? Being a member of the military, even a special ops type, doesn't necessarily give you any great insight into the Constitution.

    However, sending this guy--or anybody--hate mail is hardly the way to convince him to reevaluate his opinions or to convince anyone else that those with a pro-RKBA perspective may be right. In fact, it may only serve to firmly convince those on the other side of the debate that we are, in fact, all nuts. I'd also note, for what it's worth, that a failure to exercise restraint in one's "hate mail" might be viewed as a threat, perhaps constituting a felony.

    At best, it seems like a waste of perfectly good electrons to send someone with a firmly entrenched opinion any sort of email expressing your hatred. At worst, you may find yourself at the wrong end of a criminal investigation and prosecution.
     
  8. everallm

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    Many moon ago, when serving and when I had less of a waist and more of a waistline I had the privilege of spending some time with the members of both the SAS and SBS (allegedly.......:evil: )

    If some numpty tried to draw them on anything it was usually a "Wasn't us, can't prove it, no video evidence, not me squire, I'm just a pen pusher"

    This idiots spouting is the antithesis of the deep professionalism of these arms of the military.

    Best response for him is to shun and ignore and not feed his ignorance.
     
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    Kim Crumbo, Grand Canyon Wildlands Council, 928-638-2304. March 7, 2006. Flagstaff, AZ—
     
  10. Cannonball888

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    The similarity in names and RKBA views is uncanny.

    I now feel I need to be wary of the umbo suffix, although this little guy is irresistible....[​IMG]
     
  11. BushyGuy

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    tell that stupid SEAL bend over i gonna send my boot way up his behind.....
     
  12. doubleh

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    Personally I think Mr. Crumbo is talking thru his hat, the way many in our society do. He makes no distinction between semi and full auto rifles. Many people do not know the difference.

    Another problem to me is the one's who say "he has earned the right to his opinion". No American citizen has to earn that right. It is God given and upheld in law by the 1st amendment. Your occupation (or occupations) in life do not give you more right to an opinion than anyone else. You might have more knowledge (or not) to base your opinions on but you DO NOT have more rights to them than anyone esle.
     
  13. jackdanson

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    I agree. Furthermore, many more seals support the RKBA. (see Marcus Luttrell)

    It doesn't matter if he IS talking about full auto weapons, the constitution doesn't say "right to bear arms, except the ones we say you can bear".
     
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    SOCNET will give you a poser check, but they really don't like people wasting their time.
     
  15. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    I think it's pretty clear he's lying about being a SEAL, since he doesn't even know what an assault rifle is, and shoots his mouth off about his alleged "missions". Yet another Walter Mitty...

    Amen to that, even if he is really a former SEAL.
     
  16. Old Fuff

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    Keep in mind that if anyone here CAN PROVE BEYOND DOUBT that this individual isn't what he claims to be, we cannot only blow him out of the water (pardon the pun), but also give the newspaper a black eye. Thus we could make two hits with one blow. As much as I would love to see the individual nailed, getting the newpaper is a worthy cause too... :evil:
     
  17. RDak

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    What is he talking about??!!

    I'm just an ordinary Joe but I find the AR-15 type of rifle is easy to shoot, accurate and easy to clean and maintain.

    I can hit the bullseye very easily with iron sights at 100 yards. With a scope it is accurate over 200 yards. (I'm sure all of you can do the same or better.)

    Based on the above, it is an excellent rifle for self-defense, and to guard against terrorism and tyranny IMHO.

    *** is this idiot talking about??!!

    Someone smarter than I am please explain it to me. :confused:
     
  18. ants

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    RDak makes a good point.

    It's a good point we should not forget, regardless of criticizing some other person's credentials.

    The semiautomatic combat-style rifle is an EXCELLENT platform for home defense.

    As with every gun, be very mindful of a bullet's tendency to pass through walls and windows. Be sure of your target, be sure of your backstop, don't aim at anything you aren't willing to destroy.
     
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    At least Murtha is in favor of the 2nd Amemdment, can't say anthing else positive about him though.

    Exactly, we may well be called upon to be the militia someday. I know I was once at least, albeit 40 years ago.
     
  20. runrabbitrun

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    We all must be able to have what LE has legally.

    Are we allowed to now?

    If not >>> Why not?
     
  21. rem2429

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    The guy has my respect for his service. I know a couple of SEALs and they are some of the finest men I have ever met. That said, I disagree with his opnion. He fought for the right to express it, and he should be able to do so.
     
  22. Ned Kelly

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    A former military veteran should be alarmed with people armed with salt rifles....

    Because he knows first hand how hard it is for a military force to fight against people with them....

    It's much easier to cow a population when all they can use are muzzle loaders.
     
  23. runrabbitrun

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    Nuff said right there.
     
  24. Deanimator

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    If he's man enough to express a [stupid] opinion, he should be man enough to take the response. I'm betting he's not.
     
  25. gripper

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    "Salt rifles"????Is that like what happened to Lot's Wife after Sodom got a Divine @sswhipping???
    "Saltrifles" sound like a bad idea...after all ,HOW does one make one from NaCl;and more importantly-what do you do when you have to operate in a wet environment??Won't they melt???
    OK..I got that out of my system...he's a jerk,a jackass;and (quiter possibly) a phony.As such,that also makes him fair game for a little round of DD214 Whipout...
     
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