Extremely disappointed with my new LCP

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I went out and bought a Ruger LCP in search of a new ccw weapon for pocket carry. Upon taking it to the range to test fire a couple hours later I shot one magazine and the trigger guard on the weapon broke.

Of course the LGS tells me they can't take it back, and I'd have to go through Ruger which is the answer I was expecting, I just wanted to make them aware of the situation. The kicker to all this is I'm currently active duty military, and I'm getting out of the Army in ten days. So I don't have time to send it in before I will be moving back to my home state, and due to the commie federal firearms laws we live under Ruger can't send it to a different address from which it received it. Needless to say I'm very disgruntled, and am highly considering getting rid of my newly acquired LCP as soon as it's fixed and getting a different weapon to serve the LCP's intended purpose, oh and don't even get me started on the the ridiculous extra hoops I have to jump through to buy a handgun solely because I'm active duty stationed in a different state. I've been a lurker for a while, and just felt like venting. Also curious if anyone else has run into this issue with the LCP
 
Sorry to hear about your LCP issues. I have one and LOVE it. I've never heard of trigger guard problems, but I did have a broken extractor shortly after purchasing mine about 2 years ago.

With Ruger's excellent customer service, they'll easily turn it around in less than 10 days. Call and explain the urgent timeline and they will fix it for you. They fixed mine in 5 days, door-to-door.

I'd give it another chance if I were you. Mine has been flawless ever since, and it shoots and hides well.
 
What ridiculous extra hoops? Should only require a copy of your orders assigning you to your base.
 
One gun doesn't represent an entire product line wareagle. I know you're very frusterated atm since it YOUR gun, but Ruger is a big company and they really like military people. I'm sure if you explain things to customer service, they'll prioritize your case.

Now, imo, the Kahr CW380 is better than Ruger's LCP. LCP is still a good piece and I would not feel ashamed to carry it, but when Kahr says their .380 can shoot +P ammo and Ruger says their LCP can't, between the two, I like Kahr's pocket .380 to Ruger's.
 
A good LGS would have taken care of this for you. Did you ask them just to take it back, or to assist you in returning it to Ruger on an urgent basis?
 
I had one and had all kinds of problems with it. I played the shipping it back and forth game a couple times then dumped it. Bought a Glock 42 and love it. Yea it's a little bigger but it works! Good luck.
 
You can tell the Army where to move you after you get out. Pick a different state if the one you are going to has bad gun laws.
 
Wareagle, in what state are you currently stationed? Buying as an active duty member shouldn't require extra "hoops" than residents of the state if your FFL is following ATF rules.

Concealed carry licensing is often where nonresident military members run into problems. I'm stationed in Illinois and CCL isn't an option at the moment (although I'm approved to teach the 16-hour class!).

But purchasing hasn't been an issue for me here.
 
I agree with TruthTeller. I have several .380 (but not a LCP), and the Kahr is absolutely the best of the lot. Excellent quality, very reliable, good trigger, decent sights. Looks like the prices are similar. One source has the Kahr for $311 and the LCP for $306.
 
Fremmer it broke from the recoil.

In regards to the extra hoops everyone keeps asking about allow me to explain. In order for my to purchase a handgun I have to show Military ID, Military orders bringing me to the state, and a utility bill of some sort linking me to my address within the state AND sign a sworn statement that I'm active duty. Here's the issue with that, all of my bills are rolled up into one with my apartment rent meaning I don't have a hardcopy of utility bills that is required to show I reside in the state. So in order for me to fulfill that requirement I have to go buy a 1 day fishing license with my present address on it.

I don't know about you guys, but most people I know don't make a habit of carrying their Military orders, and a copy of a recent utility bill/ 1 day fishing license on them at all times. Therefore that creates an unnecessary hassle for me solely due to who I'm employed by. Some of you seem a little too eager to 'show your papers'.

I did contact Ruger, and they informed me they wouldn't be able to have the firearm back to me in the timeframe I needed it (ten days).

Here's where I'm getting conflicting information from the LGS, and if someone more knowledgeable than me could clarify I'd greatly appreciate it. The LGS I bought the LCP from said it would violate federal law for them to take it back from me, and that I would have to go through Ruger. Honestly I have always thought this was the standard for situations like these. However another shop I frequent said that I should definitely take it back, and have them make things right for me, and I also have seen several posts in this thread saying to take it back. So is the gun shop telling me the truth that it's law they can't take it back, or is it simply policy that they won't?

I'm not one to jump up and down and make a scene unless I know I'm absolutely correct, but if the LGS is indeed just trying to avoid the headache of exchanging this for me, I'll ride back down and chat with the manager.
 
Not an LCP issue ... but regarding your LGS problem, I recently took an old S&W revolver into a LGS near me - one with whom I had never done any previous business - and they agreed to send it to S&W for me for them to complete the required repairs.

Federal law states that your gun must be shipped by a licensed dealer, and then back to a licensed dealer. Your dealer just doesn't want to do that. I would find someone else to deal with.
 
I think the LGS is FoS. They could certainly take it back, refund your money, and send it to Ruger. Depending on how Ruger handles it, they may either get back a new LCP, or your repaired LCP, which they could only sell as used (since it's been transfered and is no longer new). If they have to sell it as used, they might lose $ on the deal...but that's not a Federal crime.

As for Ruger's return shipping, how do they know where you live now? If you know where you'll be in 10 days, and there's an adult there who can accept delivery for you if it gets there sooner, just ship it to Ruger with that future address as your return address.
 
I think I may give the ATF a call, and see what they have to say about this supposed "law". Like I said I'm a pretty even tempered guy, but I'm starting to feel like I'm being misled, and that obviously doesn't sit well with me. I'll definitely keep you guys updated.
 
PJSprog said:
Not an LCP issue ... but regarding your LGS problem, I recently took an old S&W revolver into a LGS near me - one with whom I had never done any previous business - and they agreed to send it to S&W for me for them to complete the required repairs.

Federal law states that your gun must be shipped by a licensed dealer, and then back to a licensed dealer. Your dealer just doesn't want to do that. I would find someone else to deal with.
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Not true, and non FFL holder can ship via overnight courier (FedEx, UPS) to an FFL holder if they are the owner of the pistol. Ruger will send you a prepaid shipping pack, the problem seems to be where to return it. I'd push the gun shop to take it back.
 
Update: talked to the manager again, and he admitted yesterday they were mistaken about not being able to take it back by law, it was simply store policy. However he still wouldn't take it back. Also I have found evidence that this gun has been used l, but was sold as new. If anyone is interested to the store in question is Quantico Tactical. I'll be posting pictures of the excessive wear to this "new gun" tonight.
 
Wareagle92893 said:
In regards to the extra hoops everyone keeps asking about allow me to explain. In order for my to purchase a handgun I have to show Military ID, Military orders bringing me to the state, and a utility bill of some sort linking me to my address within the state AND sign a sworn statement that I'm active duty. Here's the issue with that, all of my bills are rolled up into one with my apartment rent meaning I don't have a hardcopy of utility bills that is required to show I reside in the state. So in order for me to fulfill that requirement I have to go buy a 1 day fishing license with my present address on it.
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You are reading far too much into the military regs. I was active duty once, and it isn't that hard purchasing a firearm on orders. Military ID is the easiest. You should have your CAC everywhere you go. Orders? They don't have to be station orders, a memo from your CO or XO with the base address and phone number will cover that. Residency requirement? Bring the renters agreement if it has your utility bills in it. The agreement will have your stateside address.

Depending on your state (hopefully you aren't stuck at Ft Drum or Dix...) it should not be hard to apply for a carry permit if you live off post.
 
Herrwalther, I'm speaking strictly from experience of from the three different handguns I've bought while on Active Duty from three different FFL's. Not a single one of them would accept my lease agreement as proof of residency. I'll admit having to fill out a sworn statement in addition to a 1 day fishing license in lieu of a utility bill, Cac card, and military orders was a first for me. These aren't military regulations I'm dealing with, it's satisfying federal law that I'm eligible to purchase a handgun in the state I'm residing in, since I have an Alabama drivers license, and my vehicle is registered in Alabama. I just don't feel it's right that service members have to present extra paperwork that the average citizen doesn't. If you don't agree then we will just have to agree to disagree.

I think I have an excellent Commander, but I don't think it's necessary to bother him to sign a memo, nor do want him or anyone else I don't know on a personal level involved in my personal life than is absolutely required.
 
Your First Sergeant should be able to help you on this.

It's been a while, but I don't recall any problems buying guns when I was on active duty. Seems like a failure to communicate with the LGS.

Are you at Quantico? You can buy guns in the MCX right there on base. Ditto most BX/PX/MCX nowadays.
 
Why don't you ask Ruger if they can swap the LCP for the LC9s in 9mm. These are awesome guns and Ruger is a terrific company which bends over backwards for their customers. Have them ship the new gun to you LGS where you bought the LCP and tell them to do the paperwork because they would not take the LCP back, gratis.
 
Here's some pictures. I'll post a close up of the barrel, and you guys can tell me if you think this gun has only had 7 rounds through it.
 

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