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Dog Soldier said:
buy lots of Anti-Gun propaganda with our "popcorn", money.:p
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Just a note--the concessions stand cash (e.g. "popcorn") all goes to the theater operator, and is the primary way that person pays the bills and wages and utility bills. The ticket take is what goes to pay to rent the print from the distributor, who has marked it up from what it cost to acquire from the studio.
 
Maybe, I think the theater owners are suspect also. It is all a part of the great Popcorn conspiracy.:rofl:

Sorry Capt. it was meant to be funny.:thumbup:
 
I just finished watching The Sands of Iwo Jima for the 95th time, and this discussion came to mind. What actually bothers me more than unrealistic depictions of gun use is unrealistic, "sanitized" depictions of war and/or death. Much like people don't fly backward 10 ft after being shot, they also don't just fall down with a spotless clean shirt on, either.
 
watch clint eastwood crank that gatling gun in the first part of joesy wales, i think they used a 50 round stick magizine and a 100 round drum, but what you see is a stick magizine in it. and he cranks for about a minute, killing a pile of yankee,s and horses along with shredding tents,wagons with out one reload. i loved the movie even with out a reload. eastbank.​
 
Hollywood is about show & drama, not realism. It's amazing how a Lincoln Towncar shot with a 45ACP blows up in a fireball; and how six guys in the same room with full auto weapons are unloading at the hero without a hit, while he picks them off one-by-one with a pistol. I shot thousands and thousands of rounds with an M-16 in Viet Nam (never a jam either), and it was the right weapon for that use - but sniper rifle? Are you kidding me? Anything over 100 yards (or even 50) and an M-60 (single shot) with the crude open sights was a better choice.
 
My favorite depiction of a firearm in a movie was a pistol in American Psycho, Christian Bale shoots a cop car with glock(I believe) and it explodes like it was hit with an artillery round, he turns the pistol sideways and looks at it with amazement before moving on(I think the character was hallucinating or dreaming during that scene so they weren't attempting to be realistic, but I enjoyed how they made a joke out of a pistol round blowing up a car).
 
Remember the "Rail Gun" Arnold Swchenager[sic] used? I know they did make rail guns work about a decade ago. But what became of them?
 
Hollywood has no interest in getting any shooting right. From endless 6-shooters in the old westerns to all the Star Wars where the ships can go faster than light, but the still need pilots to gun each other ... They never get it right and they have some of the best shooters on staff as advisors and still NEVER do it right ... :(

I dunno what the deal is (?), but movie directors take artistic license way beyond reasonable ...
 
Dog Soldier said:
Sorry Capt. it was meant to be funny.:thumbup:
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No sweat. My grandfather and all four of his brothers were in the biz, so the economy of it has rubbed off.

My grandfather showed Jaws in first release in this theater there in Plainview, Texas. He grossed about $20K over those 14 days. The print rental was $11 grand of that. The 76 tax bracket and the 44% capital gains tax rates were still in existence, too. Popcorn kept the lights on :)
 
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CapnMac said:
No sweat. My grandfather and all four of his brothers were in the biz, so the economy of it has rubbed off.

My grandfather showed Jaws in first release in this theater there in Plainview, Texas. He grossed about $20 over those 14 days. The print rental was $11 grand of that. The 76 tax bracket and the 44% capital gains tax rates were still in existence, too. Popcorn kept the lights on :)
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In the Strike Back series. One of the good guys takes a shot at a sniper who is keeping the good guys pinned down. And hits the snipers weapon. Distance unknown. Up hill. At night. With an optic equipped M4. Approximately where he saw a glint of reflection.
Other than that its a pretty good series.
 
High Fives for John Milius, director and co-writer of "The Wind and The Lion" I first met him in early '70's when he was planning the movie and researching Teddy Roosevelt. Milius is a gun nut of the first water and demands accurate firearms depictions in his movies. See the movie and you'll see several gun related scenes done accurately, especially the scene where the marines march into Tangier and their use of a Colt 1895 "potato digger" machine gun. He gets five stars for that one +++++
 
Interesting irony, I was flipping channels this weekend and stopped on a movie called "The American" with George Clooney. Although intended to be a drama about an assassin (Clooney), hired to train and equip a woman to pull off a hit, it's ignorance of firearms made it more of a comedy.

I happened to catch it right as he was talking to his customer/student about what weapon to use. The scene cuts to him deftly assembling the rife of choice for all professional hit men..........get this........a mini 14. Clooney calls it a "Ruger M14 and continues to customize it by whacking together a suppressor made out of old car parts.

Later, she asks Clooney about the muzzle velocity, which he states with authority to be "630 miles per hour". I kid you not. Sort of sounded like a conversation that takes place 20 times a day at the gun counter at every Academy/Gander/Cabelas in every town

That was all I could take of that excremental piece of cinematic excellence.
 
Act of Valor should be mentioned for it's realism. At least *I* think it's realistic - I'm no authority, but it was made by a bunch of Seals as actors and technical advisors, supposedly with live ammo ...
 
wally said:
We just watched the last episode of "Designated Survivor" and Maggie Q's FBI agent character takes a shot across the congressional mall with a handgun to the 7th floor of the building across from it and apparently makes a sniper setup to kill the president miss. Dramatic ending, but absurd.
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I have hit an 18 inch gong at 200 yards with a full sized 9mm pistol 2 out of 5 shots. It is possible.
 
If you want to see 1903 Springfields, Lewis machine guns and BARs used in a realistic fashion, watch THE SAND PEBBLES Starring Steve McQueen and Richard Crenna. Directed by Robert Wise. McQueen was a gun guy and he uses the guns in a realistic fashion.
 
Another one is cars going perfectly straight, but flipping over and exploding when hit with a pistol round. Very realistic.
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I love the scene in Last Action Hero where Arnold shoots the receding car with his handgun and looks at his gun as if something is wrong "the car didn't explode!"
 
We just watched the last episode of "Designated Survivor" and Maggie Q's FBI agent character takes a shot across the congressional mall with a handgun to the 7th floor of the building across from it and apparently makes a sniper setup to kill the president miss. Dramatic ending, but absurd.
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I have hit an 18 inch gong at 200 yards with a full sized 9mm pistol 2 out of 5 shots. It is possible.
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That's 9 MOA and not a first shot hit I bet from a concealed draw while Secret Service agents are yelling GUN!, but in any case, a quick look at Google Earth shows the nearest building that is not part of the Capital building (Rayburn office building) from the steps is more like 300 yards.
 
tark said:
If you want to see 1903 Springfields, Lewis machine guns and BARs used in a realistic fashion, watch THE SAND PEBBLES Starring Steve McQueen and Richard Crenna. Directed by Robert Wise. McQueen was a gun guy and he uses the guns in a realistic fashion.
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One was a Marine and the other was in the Army after all...

I believe that is one of the few movies that show a BAR magazine change.
eastbank said:
watch clint eastwood crank that gatling gun in the first part of joesy wales, i think they used a 50 round stick magizine and a 100 round drum, but what you see is a stick magizine in it. and he cranks for about a minute, killing a pile of yankee,s and horses along with shredding tents,wagons with out one reload. i loved the movie even with out a reload. eastbank.​
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There were several types of magazine:

- The simple hopper.

- The single stack 40 round magazine.

- The 'Bruce'-style magazine for the Gatling gun had a two chute system with the chutes side-by-side, each holding about 25 rounds, when one chute was in use and the other could be loaded, thus keeping the gun in action continuously. It could be loaded rather quickly from a standard 20 round cardboard boxes, and by sliding the chute laterally, the assistant gunner/loader could change which chute was feeding the gun and expose a now empty, or partially empty chute for reloading. There was a reserve space that held a few rounds so the gunner never had to stop even when he chutes were being moved.

- The Broadwell drum that held 240 rounds similar to a Lewis magazine, only taller.

- The Accles Drum, which held 104 rounds (this is the one you are thinking about).

He is shown with the 40 single row magazine.

In the scene in question the total length of time he is at the gun shooting is about 35 seconds with at least one distinct pause, maybe two, giving a total firing time of around 20 to 25 seconds, the rate of fire for a .45-70 was about 200-400 rpm, depending on how fast you cranked. He isn't going as fast as possible, and judging from the sound track, probably in the 200 rpm range. So, in 25 seconds he would have shot some where around 80 to 100 rounds. Since there was a pause it could have been a magazine change, maybe.


The major problem is it's a 1871 model .45-70 Gatling gun, not a .56 caliber one it should be give the time frame the movie is set in. The .56 caliber Gatlings only used the hopper feed.
 
Offfhand said:
High Fives for John Milius, director and co-writer of "The Wind and The Lion" I first met him in early '70's when he was planning the movie and researching Teddy Roosevelt. Milius is a gun nut of the first water and demands accurate firearms depictions in his movies. See the movie and you'll see several gun related scenes done accurately, especially the scene where the marines march into Tangier and their use of a Colt 1895 "potato digger" machine gun. He gets five stars for that one +++++
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Based on true events, only Perdicaris was a man, did not have his son with him, the Marines never had to shoot anyone or anything, their only action was to secure the customs house without firing a shot, and Perdicaris was released without further incident or gun-play.

Trivia: The Marine officer in this movie is, of course, based on the real Marine officer in charge of the USS Brooklyn's shore party. This real Marine officer was involved in another historical event (four years earlier) immortalized by Hollywood (and closer to reality, sort of), can you name that movie? Or, the Marine Officer?
 
D.B. Cooper said:
I just finished watching The Sands of Iwo Jima for the 95th time, and this discussion came to mind. What actually bothers me more than unrealistic depictions of gun use is unrealistic, "sanitized" depictions of war and/or death. Much like people don't fly backward 10 ft after being shot, they also don't just fall down with a spotless clean shirt on, either.
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But, I like the depiction of using an entrenching tool as a weapon....
 
For me it would be the miniseries "Band of Brothers". Everyone involved knew their "stuff" concerning weaponry throughout the whole series.
 
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