Fanning a SAA

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I know that fanning a SAA can damage the revolver, but is fanning purely a Hollywood invention, or were there actually some gunfighters in the Old West so skilled as to use the technique effectively?
 
Many years ago I had the opportunity to interview one of the last two living members of the Arizona Territorial Rangers. He was well into his 90’s and physically feeble, although his mind was sharp as a tack. Because of his condition I was limited to no more then 15 minutes, but as things worked out I managed 20. Within that short time I learned a lot more about how things really were vs. what I thought they were from reading various books, movies, TV shows, etc.

One of the things I ask him had to do with “fast drawing” and fanning. He answered thusly.

No, they didn’t do much fast drawing because the scabbards (holsters) of that time didn’t permit it, and besides they were under orders to approach anyone they intended to arrest with their six-shooter in hand. Better yet, was to have a rifle instead of a pistol. If it was at all possible gunfights were something that should be avoided, and outlaws should be apprehended with the least risk.

As for fanning: He had never done it, and didn’t know of anyone that had. He opined that anyone who did probably couldn’t hit anything except by accident. He called fanning and gun twirling (spinning) “a bunch of Hollywood nonsense.”

This from a man who had been there and done that... :scrutiny:
 
The only anecdotal report I have seen of fanning being used in a gunfight resulted in:
The wood stove and a large mirror being killed by the gun fanning drunk.

He was killed by the guy he was fanning at, who took his time quickly, and got off one aimed shot.



A similar but different technique that was used was Slip-Hammer firing.
It was detailed in Elmer Keith's book "Six-Guns".

In doing that, the trigger was tied back with rawhide, or removed from the gun completely.

Upon drawing the gun, the hammer was brought to full cock by the thumb as the gun was drawn & aimed. But the thumb continued on back until it slipped off the cocked hammer allowing it to fire.
I have done this with Colt SAA's, and it is fairly accurate & fast once you get the hang of it.

rc
 
such a skill did not exist in the actual wild west

It's hard to categorically deny that it existed.

However, I think it's fair to say that "The Quick and the Dead" was fiction. Even gunslingers didn't WANT to get shot.
 
When fanning a revolver beware that if you don't get the cylinder perfectly lined up with the barrel, it shoots lead sideways.

DON'T ASK ME HOW I KNOW THIS.:mad:
 
Bob Munden can do anything with a single action. Saw him in action. If I hadn't I don't know if I would have believed it. Three shots so fast it sounded like one and he broke 3 separate balloons. Shot an aspirin thrown up in the air. And more.
Oh, and his wife is more than a fair hand, too.
Oh yeah, he also shot a decent group at 100 yards with a 38 special 2" barrel, open sights. Zing !
 
I'll have to look, but at least one of the manuals I have for my various Ruger SA's specifically says NOT to "fan" the gun.

Hmmmm I'll post that when I find it....



ahhhh....here it is, from page 18 of the current Ruger SA revolver manual:

“FANNING”: NEVER fan any revolver. Fanning is an unsafe way to fire a gun and
it is abusive to the revolver mechanism.

ALWAYS CARRY NEW MODEL SINGLE ACTIONS
WITH HAMMER DOWN.
 
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The fastest draw currently alive
We know this because Bob says so.

Actually, he got PO'd at the World Fast Draw sanctioning body when he got beat when was about 20 years old, and refused to ever again compete for ranking.

There have been, and still are, some very fast people holding the records.

Bob is very very fast, and also very accurate. There is no getting around that.

But he may not be the fastest gun alive.

For instance, Cal Eilrich has won more major fast draw championships than anyone in the over 50-year history of the sport.

rc
 
Fanning a revolver IMO opinion is in the same category as twirling a loaded gun. Don't ever do it around me.
 
Hello Drail,
I don't want to start a fight but I don't understand your reply.
Fanning a revolver and "twirling" a loaded gun are not even close to being in the same "danger zone".
In twirling a loaded gun , I FULLY AGREE with you --- the gun is crossing your body and maybe others , plus the fact that most "Twirllers" WILL DROP their gun at some point -- both very BAD things to do with a loaded firearm.
As to Fanning ---- I don't see the same danger --- with some practice , start with a .22 , most people can hit a man sized target at 6-10 feet after less then a few hundred rounds. ----- I "lock" my elbow to my hip-bone and with my weak hand , fan the revolver --- the muzzle NEVER comes close to any part of my body.
For "play" --- I also shoot a lever action rifle at the hip level -- a advanced skill and as safe as any other shooting style.
With respect -- GF123
 
The fact remains that you will very quickly thrash the lockwork in a SAA that has not been modified & fitted for fanning.

A SAA hammer comes back too far in the backstrap unless a mechanical stop is fitted to the gun. That over-extends the hand against the cylinder ratchet and will rather quickly ruin it.

An oversize bolt should also be used or the frame and cylinder notches will get hammered out sloppy loose in short order.

Fast draw guns used to be modified with lightweight aluminum cylinders to prevent high speed cocking from wearing out the bolt cuts in a heavy steel cylinder.

rc
 
Elmer Keith's book has a diagram on the profile of a slip gun's hammer, and basic instructions on how to make the necessary modifications. The sear leg of the sear-and-bolt spring can be removed, for example. A slip gun, once modified, has little that can go wrong, mechanically. I found it to be of academic interest, because of how a broken SAA can likely be made shootable if made into a temporary slip gun. For example, a slip gun needs no sear notch on the hammer, no trigger, and, as already mentioned, only one leg of the sear/bolt spring. It may well be that a slip gun needs no notches on the hammer at all, IIRC, if the sixgunner is experienced enough to free the cylinder for loading without needing the half-cock notch.

A slip gun, can, of course, be fanned, too, if that tickles one's fancy. Not my cup of tea.

It is not, by the way, that Elmer Keith recommended or advocated slip shooting. He made it a point to learn slip shooting, and wrote about it in detail, but did not adopt it himself.
 
hickock did mention fast draw and fanning, etc in his big book on gunwork. However he did mention that it was not a sign of someone who was serious about the work at hand, or had long survival expectancy.
 
The potential for danger and disaster far outweighs any concerns for potential damage to the gun's mechanisms, IMO. Anyone who would consider fanning a SA revolver has either seen too many cowboy serials, where the technique was perfected, or isn't concerned about losing a toe or two.
 
So now fanning a gun is dangerous? Do all the fast draw competitors know about this?
 
As I have posted above -- "fanning" can be done safely and can be done without a fully customized gun.

Again , what can be a factor is the speed at which you "fan" ---- if the time frame is one shot per 1/2 second or longer , I think you are doing no real harm to the gun.

I do ALOT of SASS/Cowboy Action shooting and I personally know of some top competitors who "slip hammer " at speeds you would have to see to belive. One that comes to mind is Torranado --- he has tens of thousands of rounds thru his match revolvers and they still lock up tight.
 
So now fanning a gun is dangerous? Do all the fast draw competitors know about this?

Read more of Munden. He advises that most of those fast draw guns use aluminum barrels and shoot blanks and that fanning guns have been modified to allow for fanning.

It becomes dangerous when somebody who thinks it is cool and doesn't know beans about it tries it with a loaded gun, that's all.

The Doc is out now. :cool:
 
I think we're missing the point. In the opening post this question was ask:

I know that fanning a SAA can damage the revolver, but is fanning purely a Hollywood invention, or were there actually some gunfighters in the Old West so skilled as to use the technique effectively?

Without question we have exhibition shooters and cowboy action competitors that fan or slip-shoot their six-shooters. But it seems equally clear that during the 19th century they didn't have the highly modified guns that are used today, and that the practice of fanning a single action revolver was for all practical purposes unknown. Those old-time gunfighters that survived to comment on it had nothing good to say about fanning. As we know of it today is largely because of Hollywood, not history.

Hopefully this answers the question... ;)
 
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