Farmers Branch targets toy Guns

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City is latest to pass ordinance addressing danger cited by police

08:28 AM CDT on Thursday, July 19, 2007

By STEPHANIE SANDOVAL / The Dallas Morning News
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Toy guns aren't all fun and games anymore.

Manufacturers are making the toys look so realistic that it's hard to tell them from the real thing at a distance, Farmers Branch police say.

Some young people are using the toys to intimidate. Some residents are alarmed. And police officers are concerned about situations in which they may not be able to distinguish between a toy and the real thing until it's too late.

Now, someone carrying a toy gun in public that looks like a real gun can be fined up to $1,000 in Farmers Branch.

The city on Monday joined Dallas, Plano and Carrollton in regulating "facsimile" weapons – those that so closely resemble the real thing that they can only be identified as fakes through close inspection.

The Farmers Branch ordinance makes it illegal to display or brandish a facsimile firearm in a manner that could alarm people in a public place or cause any type of reaction by emergency personnel.

"It's not to target two 6-year-olds out playing cops and robbers," Police Chief Sid Fuller said.

But it is intended to deal with situations like these that Farmers Branch officers have encountered in recent years:

•Police officers responding to a call at Dallas Christian College found two people behind a small building pointing what appeared to be guns at each other. A third person was seen running toward the other two while also carrying a handgun. Officers drew their guns and ordered the three to drop their weapons, only to discover that they were facsimile guns.

•A resident flagged down officers and said she saw a man wearing all red, including a bandanna across his face, and holding a shotgun. The gun turned out to be a toy.

•An officer on patrol saw a child pull a handgun from his waistband and point it at other children. Officers drew their guns and ordered the child to drop his weapon. It turned out to be a cap gun.

•A known gang member was seen by neighbors with what appeared to be a large-caliber handgun tucked into his waistband. He fled into a house when officers arrived. They called him out of the house and the gun turned out to be a fake, which he said he was carrying because rival gang members threatened him.

There are no state regulations regarding facsimile weapons, but a federal law requires that they have an orange tip, Chief Fuller said.

In dark conditions, from a distance, or when the barrel of the toy is hidden inside a waistband, orange tips may not be visible, city officials said.

"If you use it in an aggressive manner or are trying to make it look like you've got a real gun, that's what causes the problem," City Manager Gary Greer said. "We're concerned with it causing friction between people in the community, people trying to intimidate other people with these facsimile guns."

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Personally, I am against toy guns, as they teach children bad gun habits. My children will never be allowed to have toy guns. They WILL however, be allowed to have REAL guns, and will be taught to use them properly.
 
Several weeks ago this became an issue in West Memphis, AR

Google for details, but a West Memphis police officer shot and killed a 12 year old boy who is said to have been holding a toy pistol. There's been some dispute about the incident, but something that looks like a gun may be treated like one.
 
Toys guns that are easily mistaken for real are a nasty problem. The orange tip is not visible in poor light, and even in good light depending on the background.
 
Toys guns that are easily mistaken for real are a nasty problem. The orange tip is not visible in poor light, and even in good light depending on the background.

With Airsoft toy guns I would dare to challenge anyone to tell the difference between the an AS M4 and the real M4 at 15 feet. And yes they do teach these teens the wrong way to handle firearms if their parents are not active in safe gun handling.
 
Toy guns looked realistic since toy guns were first around.
On the whole they are far less realistic looking now than they have been in the past.

Was the issue of children pointing them at police officers and getting shot as frequent back then as it is believed to be to be now since toy guns have been made to appear far less realistic in the past 15-20 years?


Edited to add: Ah... I didn't think about airsoft when I thought of "toy" guns.
 
Dang, kids growing up without toy guns is just wrong. I understand where you're coming from Lantern, how kids will start to view real guns as toys and not be careful with those. But when I was growing up, what the heck I still am, my Dad always made sure we knew the difference. Every time we buy a new war video game or something he gives us a lecture about how the game isn't reality, there is no reset button. Used to think it was stupid but now I appreciate it.
 
You guys are falling into the blame the object routine anti's do.

Back in the day toy guns actually shot real bullets. There were 007 cigarette lighters that fired bullets. No child every got shot by a cop because of it. I had many toy guns as a child. I never got shot by a cop because of it.

Why you ask?

I didn't run around commiting crimes and pointing guns at cops! It's not the toy guns that are the problem. It's the bad parenting and unruly kids that are the problem. Fix the parents and the kids and the system then I guarantee toy guns won't be a problem.
 
OUCH !!

Pull out my Fanner 50 to drop a bad guy or one of those pesty indians , and get blown away by a LEO ! :what:

Have we come this far into insanity ? :(
 
Kid in this case didn't (assumed, lots of missing detail) point at cop, either. Two cops were staking out a location. Two kids walked by. It was dark. The kids might have been playing with each other. Somehow, a kid got shot.

Fifteen years ago, my brother and I were walking home. We were both in our mid-teens, both over six feet tall, and we were wrestling and generally whacking each other. No one was getting hurt, but we were out in public and it might have looked pretty fierce.

A police cruiser eventually pulled up alongside, and the officer asked us a few questions. After determining that nothing criminal was happening, he reminded us to think about how others might interpret our actions.
 
I have an airsoft Classic Army AK-74. I bought it used, and the person who owned it before me customized it, everything that is metal on the real one is metal on this. He replaced the polymer handguards with wood ones. This gun plain and simply looks real.
Airsoft guns arent toys, even the low end ones can leave a little welt, chip a tooth, or cause some substantial damage to your eye.
 
I have an airsoft Classic Army AK-74. I bought it used, and the person who owned it before me customized it, everything that is metal on the real one is metal on this. He replaced the polymer handguards with wood ones. This gun plain and simply looks real.
Airsoft guns arent toys, even the low end ones can leave a little welt, chip a tooth, or cause some substantial damage to your eye.

I was at Big 5 Sporting Goods this week and looking at their assortment of Airsoft and the only thing I could tell that they werent real was that Big 5 only sold rifles... and the safety on the M9 is not above the trigger. Past that they look real.

Heck one of my Squad Leaders came in with his Airsoft M4 and I held it side by side to my M4 that I was cleaning and could not tell the difference without some serious looking. Even had the PEQ4 on the side of it! So sick.

The problem is that parents see them as less than a BB gun and buy their young kids these "firearms" and then they run around with em unsupervised. Yeah we all ran around with rifles without being supervised but my cap gun looked like a friggin cap gun and my Savage looked like a 30-30 and were treated as such. These shoot minor projectiles but look, feel, weigh the same as their real counterparts. Pull an Airsoft M9 or MP5 on me and you might find lead from my P3AT going in your direction. I dont know many LEO's or CC'ers willing to wait for a little yellow ball to come out or the real deal.
 
there is regulations in place to prevent minors from buying bb guns... im 17 and cannot even buy some bbs for airsoft, nevermind the daisy.
its 18+ for bb crap here
 
Wow, if that were the case when I was a child, I would have been well into the poor house. I would spend entire days with my friends playing soldier and cops n' robbers.

Sad days ahead.....
 
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