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Fast and Furious Report by DOJ Inspector General now available

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Sebastian the Ibis, Sep 20, 2012.

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  1. Sebastian the Ibis
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    Ah… Justice is served after all. Melson gets to retire with a generous pension, and Weinstein is hung out to dry, but nothing worse. The guys at the top get off and the whole matter can be quickly forgotten before the election. All is well… :rolleyes: :banghead:
     
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    Yeah, this post is a good illustration of why there was a deafening silence on the whole matter; the IG investigation didn't arrive at their premonitory conclusion. The report only exists to serve as a confirmation of what they already believe, and any failure to come to their conclusion is a failure of the facts to come to The Truth.

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  4. Jim K

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    Gee whiz! Justice is served. Holder's employee finds out that his boss did nothing wrong! What did anyone expect? Truth?

    Of course, someone had to be thrown to the wolves to placate the right wing, until Obama's second term, when he can dispose of those inconvenient people.

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    Of course not, all internal affairs divisions are inherently corrupt. That's why the Congressional commission is there, to take the evidence and come to a different conclusion. The Right conclusion. They're going to find the Guilt-of-the-gaps. The Truth Is Out There. ;)
     
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    Certainly ANYTHING to do with THIS Justice Department is quintessentially corrupt and nothing that comes out of it should be taken at face value. Even by the report's own admission, there were those in the White House who refused to cooperate with the investigation.

    Holder and Obama found themselves not responsible for Fast & Furious just as Beria and Stalin found themselves not responsible for Katyn.

    This was a false flag operation intended to justify a new AWB. There isn't even the slightest doubt about it.

    Those who deny it, invariably support repressive gun controls. Fast & Furious was intended to do what they wanted. The coverup likewise.
     
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    And Holder escapes by being so incompetent he did not know what his own department was doing.

    He 'hired' and supervised his subordinates, so he is responsible if they failed to inform him.

    Stupid for the win.
     
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    For sale

    Meanwhile, I have some prime swamp land in Florida for sale.
     
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    Holder either knew about it and is guilty for that. OR, he did not know about it, and is equality guilty.

    If a ship runs a-ground, the captain is to blame. Even if he was sleeping in his quarters at the time.
     
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    This is no surprise to me. I already know that generals are never courtmartialed.
     
  13. Fremmer

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    Holder should be found in contempt of congress for stonewalling this investigation. When will obama tell the parents of a murdered border patrol agent what really happened, and how it was allowed to happen?
     
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    Called it. :cool:

    The fallacy of logic seems pandemic at this point wherein the absence of evidence of A=B doesn't prevent people from maintaining their belief that A=B=C. The report observes a lack of involvement on Holder's part, and for some reason people think that the communications within the White House is relevant. Unless the WH is going around the AG regarding the operations of the DOJ without contacting the Arizona offices, they would be barking up the wrong tree. Perhaps it remains plausible to a mind which finds clairvoyance about Holder's guilt a tenable concept.

    At this point, the deniers are only digging themselves a deeper hole as they join the company of the birthers and 9/11 conspiracy theorists.
     
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    Fremmer,

    The answer to your first comment is that Holder has already been found in contempt of congress for exactly that.

    The answer to your question is "never".
     
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    No good comment.
     
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    Well, Neverwinter, you will never convince those who find that the whitehouse seemed AWFUL ready to use the F&F guns to justify what was for all intents and purposes a run up of anti gun fervor, need I remind you the president calling out boarder dealers and joint statements with the mexican president.

    so, while, without the whitehouse documents, you can say a+b=c, you can say that A used B (which it created) to further C, that's an AWFUL strong correlation.
     
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    Those who WANT a new AWB are never going to acknowledge, much less condemn, the actions of those who acted recklessly to further one.
     
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    You misread that statement. The equation refers to transitive logic in which people believe that the people carrying out the walking were organized all the way from Obama. The B=C refers to the Holder-Obama connection, and the A=B refers to AZ-Holder. The report found that A=B has no evidence. I hope that cleats up the confusion.

    If this were true, then the Holder emails condemning walking provided to the Congressional committee show that he doesn't want an AWB. Not to mention the DOJ retraction statements after the initial denial that walking did occur.
    That contradicts the belief Truthers have which holds that the DOJ wants another AWB.

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    Having somebody pushed under the bus YOU are driving isn't exactly a renunciation of the bus's destination.

    Again, the AHSA types will defend any act in furtherance of another AWB.
     
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    Except the report shows that Holder wasn't "driving the bus", so your analogy is ignorant of the evidence.

    Link for the statement from the AHSA regarding F&F?

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    The report is a whitewash, and by its own admission incomplete.

    AHSA as an organization is deservedly defunct, hence "AHSA TYPES". For an example of them, refer to your own posts.
     
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    Holder and obama are withholding thousands of documents, and the only reasonable explanation is that holder and obama don't want to openly and honestly tell congress what really happened. And a federal district court should send holder to jail for being in contempt. Once again, what is obama trying to hide? What did obama know,and when did he know it?

    And the author of this "report" works for holder. And so holder has been declared innocent and the same department that refuses to lawfully comply with a congressional subpoena has reaffimed that the documents aren't necessary for congressional review. How very open and transparent.
     
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    It doesn't take any conspiracy theory logic to show that he does want to reinstate the AWB. It simply takes quoting his own words.

    1. From a February 26, 2009 interview.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-4831751-503544.html

    Responding to a reporter's question on weapons' regulations, Holder said, "Well, as President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons. I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum."

    2. From his February 2, 2012 testimony to the House Oversight Committee:
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/08/holder-tells-congress-the-obama-administration-wants-to-ban-guns/

    "This administration has consistently favored the reinstitution of the assault weapons ban. It is something that we think was useful in the past with regard to the reduction that we’ve seen in crime, and certainly would have a positive impact on our relationship and the crime situation in Mexico."


    It is only a small leap, then, to link this as a motivating factor in formulating the F&F operation, which started in the fall of 2009. This is then compounded by stonewalling the Oversight committee, and finally by Executive Privilege.

    I don't know if this truly started in the upper levels of the administration, but I do know that they want to reinstate the AWB, and that is enough for me.
     
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    At the very least, Operation Wide Reciever had the Mexican Government involved and informed under Pres. Bush. That means that State Dept. had to be involved. When they knew that they couldn't keep the guns tracked (ie they were walking) they shut it down.

    In F&F the Mexican Government was kept in the dark (ie no State Dept.). The guns were blatantly allowed to walk. Known felons were allowed to purchase (ie the FBI was complicit in not denying during background) as well as straw purchases. With no State Dept. involvement, you have International Trafficking In Arms without authorization! Only the State Dept. may issue export licensing for ITAR. By blatantly allowing guns to walk, the AG's office is complicit in ITAR violations. Can you say CONSPIRACY???:scrutiny: Do you know what the largest fine on record for ITAR violations is? :what: So either a lot of folks including the S of S are involved (even by the I didn't hear this route) or you have a felonious rouge operation. Either way this whole thing stinks to high heaven. :fire:
     
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